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Posted: 16 years ago

#91

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

now that I know you did not even get the question, all my dreams are shattered. Cloddy knows what I dream about when I am debating😛

Since you aren't asking me the question in a straight manner, without the heavy usage of Hindish language, and intentionally curving it to make it look ambiguous, you cannot really blame me for "breaking your dreams". 😛

Poor your dreams, though...Ooops, shall I say poor your shattered dreams, though. 😆

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Posted: 16 years ago

#92

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Since you aren't asking me the question in a straight manner, without the heavy usage of Hindish language, and intentionally curving it to make it look ambiguous, you cannot really blame me for "breaking your dreams". 😛

Poor your dreams, though...Ooops, shall I say poor your shattered dreams, though. 😆

Is this straightforward enough for you:

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Sorry, did not realize you can't understand hindi well.

Okay - this is what I asked:

...and how does that mental growth comes around - from what they read, see around them, feel - that mental growth, after all, is a sum total of all their experiences - ain't it so?

...and don't worry about my dreams. Since I am fluent in both english and hindi, my dreams seldom shatter here😛

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#93

Originally posted by: Gauri_3
Sorry, did not realize you can't understand hindi well.

Okay - this is what I asked:

...and how does that mental growth comes around - from what they read, see around them, feel - that mental growth, after all, is a sum total of all their experiences - ain't it so?

Aww, so sweet of you to translate. 😛 Something even Ashoka did not bother to do. 😆

Yes, (or shall I say "HA!"), mental growth comes from what one sees, read, watch, etc - yes it is the product of all the experiences (positive or negative) we have during our childhood. Mental growth also happens during adolescent, but in a lesser amount, and in an even lesser amount during the adulthood.

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#94

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Is this straightforward enough for you:

Sorry mate, I read that later...after I posted that. Already replied to that question you asked, but IMHO, that question is thoroughly irrelevant or at least unimportant to the subject matter we are dealing here.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3
...and don't worry about my dreams. Since I am fluent in both english and hindi, my dreams seldom shatter here😛

I wish there were some Bangladeshis around here as well. On that way I could have fun with a fellow non-Bangladeshi ... 😉

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Posted: 16 years ago

#95

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Aww, so sweet of you to translate. 😛 Something even Ashoka did not bother to do. 😆

Yes, (or shall I say "HA!"), mental growth comes from what one sees, read, watch, etc - yes it is the product of all the experiences (positive or negative) we have during our childhood. Mental growth also happens during adolescent, but in a lesser amount, and in an even lesser amount during the adulthood.

Okay, let me now summarize your past interactions with me on this thread today --- Per you, once humans grow, despite the socio-cultural conditioning, they are capable of basing their actions on free will that they exert due to their mental growth.

Now that you agree that mental growth is a sum total of all our experiences - how free does the free will remain if it is dependent on our mental growth? Isn't free will dependent on what we "learned" as part of growing up?

I think only babies have free will and that too for a very short period of time. Rest all do have a will but it is not free per se.

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Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Sorry mate, I read that later...after I posted that. Already replied to that question you asked, but IMHO, that question is thoroughly irrelevant or at least unimportant to the subject matter we are dealing here.

That is your opinion. Lot of suffering in this world gets blamed on karma. Lot of evil in this world gets blamed on bad karma. Lot of bad karma in this worls, at times, gets blamed on free will. Then how come discussing free will "irrelevant or at least unimportant to the subject matter we are dealing here"?

Now. we all can debate keeping horse's vision but it usually kills the debate. For me, there are always many layers to one seemingly simple topic. A topic as complex as this one can't be debated on setting finite boudaries or within only one given premise.

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#97

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Okay, let me now summarize your past interactions with me on this thread today --- Per you, once humans grow, despite the socio-cultural conditioning, they are capable of basing their actions on free will that they exert due to their mental growth.

Now that you agree that mental growth is a sum total of all our experiences - how free does the free will remain if it is dependent on our mental growth? Isn't free will dependent on what we "learned" as part of growing up?

I think only babies have free will and that too for a very short period of time. Rest all do have a will but it is not free per se.

I'll have to go offline, so I will try to keep it short. I will respond to you with an even bigger post when I get back.

Firstly, what do we mean by Free Will? Free Will, in the simplest term, means to have the ability to do anything / to commit any actions willfully, and with consent, without being 'forced' or being 'made' to dfo by anyone else. Living beings have Free Will, because they can do whatever they will/want/desire to do; robots do not have Free Will because they do cannot - they had been programmed to do a particular action, and as long as we do not change anything in the program set, the robot can never go an inch against what had been set down - hence it doesn't have a Free Will. Now of course, with science fiction movies/books, we can see that robots too can think and do stuffs without being programmed by anyone else, but as long as those 'fictions' do not become reality, robots will be classified under objects without Free Will. Also you can argue of us human beings not having free will, based on the assumption that God or a sentient being had determined everything in our life, and we are merely being used, however as long as that isn't being proven, I will keep on believing we are living entities with free wills.

No where did I state that a person can "bash" his free will and justify all his actions (good or bad) based on his free will. A robot have the right to blame its creator, because it is incapable of going against what he was programmed to do. A human being, on the other hand, cannot blame Nature for his actions, because along with being created, he had been given free will by which he could have always chosen good over evilness, unlike a robot who is incapable of doing that.

Even if the person gets influenced by the socio-cultural norms, he always have the ability to go back and see the world from an objective point of view. Guess why? Because we are entities with Free Wills.

IMHO, every human beings have Free Wills. Child, teen, youth, or adult -- just how much "free" is the free will is the question here.

Have to go offline right away. Please make sense of it if you can. I will come back and discuss this matter with you (and others if they are willing to join the discussion) in depth, but for now I have to go. Thanks for bringing this aspect into the debate, though. 👍🏼

Edited by PhoeniXof_Hades - 16 years ago

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#98

Originally posted by: Gauri_3
That is your opinion. Lot of suffering in this world gets blamed on karma. Lot of evil in this world gets blamed on bad karma. Lot of bad karma in this worls, at times, gets blamed on free will. Then how come discussing free will "irrelevant or at least unimportant to the subject matter we are dealing here"?

Now. we all can debate keeping horse's vision but it usually kills the debate. For me, there are always many layers to one seemingly simple topic. A topic as complex as this one can't be debated on setting finite boudaries or within only one given premise.

Sorry, for not getting the purpose of the question. Like I stated before, I will give you an even more in-depth answer when I get back. 😳

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Posted: 16 years ago

#99

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

😆 naah. that would be really boring. [/quote]

But just imagine a Bollywood song and dance sequence with aliens! 😆 The hero and heroine will be dancing from one planet to another in the song with peculiar looking dancers in the background. Imagine Alok Nath blessing a tentacled alien as "it" marries his daughter. 😆

Nah I avoid Stephanie Meyer like the plague. 😊

I like aliens more, so yeh theek rahega. 😉

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#100

Originally posted by: Kal El

But just imagine a Bollywood song and dance sequence with aliens! 😆 The hero and heroine will be dancing from one planet to another in the song with peculiar looking dancers in the background. Imagine Alok Nath blessing a tentacled alien as "it" marries his daughter. 😆

okay, let's have aliens in our movies but not before you guarantee they'd be an eye candy😆

Nah I avoid Stephanie Meyer like the plague. 😊

awww...she is not that bad either. I kinda enjoyed some parts of her twilight series. But host was as bad as it could ever get.

I like aliens more, so yeh theek rahega. 😉

deal then. I'll cast Neil as my vampire. I have moved on to Neil from Shiney😆

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