Controversial decisions in WC 2015.

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HippoSucks

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Posted: 10 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: BeingBlunt
A classic case of a controversial rule is the umpire's call in hawk eye DRS. 🥱
W*F you mean by not hitting more than 50 of the stumps? 😡

Bails are dislodged by a simple touch even if its 10% and sometimes even a hard knock does not dislodges it.

Either remove this idiot umpire's call decision or the reviewing team should not lose its referral .

Just like today ZIM are suffering because of that.

Warne was so pissed that he said Umpire pressed the wrong button even after knowing that its completely automatic. 😆

DRS is not for close LBW calls. It is for blatant mistakes from the umpire.

Also, don't base your decision off how the ball looks in the image. It may look like it is hitting the stumps. I'm guessing the image is off by 0.5-1 cm. Of course that is plus or minus, but most of the time the error will be that the ball is portrayed below where it is hitting (so it will miss the stumps). And even if it is -1 cm, you can't predict that and so the benefit of doubt should go to the batsman.

If you don't use up a review if it is "Umpire's call", captains will take advantage of this and refer every LBW where the ball may just be hitting the stumps to the third umpire.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#22

@Hippo: How do you know i am basing my decision on the image only? And why do we rely on guess work when you proof that its hitting the stumps? Does not matter if 10% or 50%. See thats what i am saying. Umpires call is completely unfair to bowlers.

https://twitter.com/ashoksayzz/status/570504081921277952

This is the same as umpires call, the ball just clipping the stumps but bails do not fall.

@Last point: So just remove the umpires call. If its hitting its out if its missing its not out.

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HippoSucks

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Posted: 10 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: BeingBlunt
@Hippo: How do you know i am basing my decision on the image only? And why do we rely on guess work when you proof that its hitting the stumps? Does not matter if 10% or 50%. See thats what i am saying. Umpires call is completely unfair to bowlers.
https://twitter.com/ashoksayzz/status/570504081921277952

This is the same as umpires call, the ball just clipping the stumps but bails do not fall.

@Last point: So just remove the umpires call. If its hitting its out if its missing its not out.

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Well as a regular viewer, I would assume the only evidence we have is what we see on television (i.e. the image).

If you remove umpire's call entirely, then all scenarios going to umpire's call would be given not out. That would make it even worse for bowlers, as at least in umpire's call you can be given out if the umpire gave it out first (and the batsman reviewed).

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AllBlacks1

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Posted: 10 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: HippoSucks

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Well as a regular viewer, I would assume the only evidence we have is what we see on television (i.e. the image).

If you remove umpire's call entirely, then all scenarios going to umpire's call would be given not out. That would make it even worse for bowlers, as at least in umpire's call you can be given out if the umpire gave it out first (and the batsman reviewed).

It's irrelevant if its in advantage of bowler or batsman.. coz first- its abt umprires decision- out or not out. 2nd- which side review it based on umpire's decision. 3rd- after review if the ball is hitting the side stump for how much (50% more or less).. then 4th- Then its either umpire's call or decision reversed.

So, the argument of the ball is kissing the stup or really hitting big chunk of it... is baseless coz if the original is out or notout comes into play.

Very consfusing, isnt it? Simplify it, it the ball is hitting the stmps, thats out, if not then not out.

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HippoSucks

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Posted: 10 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: AllBlacks1

It's irrelevant if its in advantage of bowler or batsman.. coz first- its abt umprires decision- out or not out. 2nd- which side review it based on umpire's decision. 3rd- after review if the ball is hitting the side stump for how much (50% more or less).. then 4th- Then its either umpire's call or decision reversed.

So, the argument of the ball is kissing the stup or really hitting big chunk of it... is baseless coz if the original is out or notout comes into play.

Very consfusing, isnt it? Simplify it, it the ball is hitting the stmps, thats out, if not then not out.

It is not possible for any sort of advanced technology at this point to predict with perfect accuracy whether or not the ball will hit the stumps or not. In the picture it will look like it either hits the stumps or doesn't, but the picture is off by some degree of uncertainty. And in that case, obviously if you don't know which decision should be given, you go with the intuition of the umpire.

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AllBlacks1

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Posted: 10 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: HippoSucks

It is not possible for any sort of advanced technology at this point to predict with perfect accuracy whether or not the ball will hit the stumps or not. In the picture it will look like it either hits the stumps or doesn't, but the picture is off by some degree of uncertainty. And in that case, obviously if you don't know which decision should be given, you go with the intuition of the umpire.

We r just talking abt very close call reviews.. there r many when ball is way off from hitting the stump or the bat has an edge etc and given out and vice versa.. If umpire's intuition has lesser margin of error than Hawk eyes, then dump the DRS. Go back to old days... Umpires' decision is final.

What irks me is that the close call DRS is failed for either side means they dont have the rights any more. No, I dont want every decision to go for DRS, the ODI may end in 10 hours.

Universal approach is the way to go abt it. Umpire's call needs to be eliminated... its only there to boost umpires to have some authority, nothing else. There r so many bouncers and wide deliveries already causing concerns.

Yes, I agree that no game(decisions) can be 100% accurate, but at least we can get as close to it as we( authorities) can continue to look forward.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: HippoSucks

If you remove umpire's call entirely, then all scenarios going to umpire's call would be given not out. That would make it even worse for bowlers, as at least in umpire's call you can be given out if the umpire gave it out first (and the batsman reviewed).

How ? 😕 If Umpire gives it not out and in review the ball is just kissing the stumps its given OUT because it is touching the stumps. and its NOT OUT only if its missing like the Sachin dismissal in WC 2011 Semi? Favours the bowlers more isn't it?

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HippoSucks

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Posted: 10 years ago

#28

Williams was given out (by the third umpire) on 96 today (Zimbabwe v. Ireland) when he was caught by a fielder who was slightly touching the boundary line. Maybe that was because the evidence wasn't conclusive or Williams had already walked back to the dressing room.

In the Zimbabwe v. Pakistan match so many no balls (from Pakistan) were not given.

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AllBlacks1

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Posted: 10 years ago

#29

Today, Aus Vs SL. SL bolwer appeals for LBW. Umpire says Not out. Review. It's not a no-ball... a 15 reviews for the snicko to register if the bat hit the ball or not.. it was clear bat didnt touch the ball, but the pads..

And Umpire on field gives the decision ... NOT out.. hang on! Commentators and us r confused.. where is the hawk eyes? So, the commentators days the 3rd umpire (who is good for nothing but to get the pay check in his A/c office) decided the ball hit bat first and so its not out.

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HippoSucks

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Posted: 10 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: AllBlacks1
Today, Aus Vs SL. SL bolwer appeals for LBW. Umpire says Not out. Review. It's not a no-ball... a 15 reviews for the snicko to register if the bat hit the ball or not.. it was clear bat didnt touch the ball, but the pads..
And Umpire on field gives the decision ... NOT out.. hang on! Commentators and us r confused.. where is the hawk eyes? So, the commentators days the 3rd umpire (who is good for nothing but to get the pay check in his A/c office) decided the ball hit bat first and so its not out.

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It was a stupid decision from the third umpire thinking that there was an edge. However, the ball was obviously going around and above the stump so it didn't matter anyway.

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