*Brain Drain,Mila Bas Pain#3*|I/O]Mindboggling theorists-DT NT Pg41 - Page 11

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Also The biggest changes for me was artificial emotional manipulation.
A person who's very nervous, agitated, frustrated. Whose voice is full of irritation, fear, anger and vulnerability. Can a person like this go from nervous to calm and cold and inviting in just a second?
Maya actually does it thrice! She's nervous one second, 'Ayan Ayan.'
the next second she steps into his physical space, lifts her chin, her eyes go cold and inviting, and her words are calm, and instigating, 'NAHI bataoongi' 'nahi choroongi.' 'tum log uspe bojh ho.'

Another thing. Ayan's emotional graph is very organic and steady.
You see the steady rise of anger-agitation-disgust all mingled and then you see it find an outlet.

On the other hand Maya's graph is very inconsistent.
Anger/nervousness -- Calmness/goading--Threatening/powerful--Trembling/cowering.

Up until that point she too is deliberately and excessively indulging in the physical tussle. pushing, shoving grabbing. Obviously he is more powerful which means her shoves aren't as power packed as his but those are shoves too. Both of them are on equal length in terms of anger/engagement/reach arjun/don't let him reach arjun.

In the matter of just one dialogue--which is also not lewd---and a shove--he has already shoved her so many times--she goes from calm, threatening, his equal to cowering and trembling. It's an inorganic emotional process. This lacks a few transitions.

If two men engage in a physical tussle. And all of a sudden one of them starts shuddering and cowering and trembling then the power dynamic completely changes and we might say Person B is actually assaulting person A whereas a moment before they were both on equal grounds.
This is an inorganic process and involves deliberate manipulation of emotions.

Originally posted by: aekiel

You girls are super efficient 👏 (tips hat off)

I'm a reasonably fast typer too (80 wpm), but something on this scale (including watching the epi) would take me somewhere between 3 and 4 hours. That if I don't develop writers' block in the middle of it 😳

I volunteered to do a WU of an episode once (can't remember which serial though), and it took me somewhere around 700 words and well over an hour and a half to get the whole thing done (including re-checks and a rewatch). Never volunteered again 😆

That's what I supremely appreciate what someone like Suta does on the KRPKAB boards, and doing that day in and day out deserves some kind of medal.

Sometimes I wish IF institutes some kind of rewards system- X points for X words and points can be exchanged for hard cash 😃

Originally posted by: .annihilation.

Originally posted by: CaputDraconis

Interesting how you see it that way. She actually looked very confident and acted condescendingly as though she wouldn't deign to have a conversation with Ayaan. Nowhere did it look to me as if she was instigating him on purpose so that he'd cross all the lines of propriety. The only time her emotions changed drastically from over-confidence/arrogance to panic and fear of losing Arjun was when Ayaan found Arjun in his room through the keyhole. She looked startled at the way Ayaan said about Maya deserving of something worse than death. Only then did she start to cower, so as to safe guard the keys. But Ayaan lunged into her, assaulted her and made those lewd comments (those can't be interpreted in any other way), just to scare her to procure the keys.

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Okay...How about this end: 😃

Samay is still not out of love with Maya, though he pretended to be in love with Saanjh...Saanjh is devastated on learning this...But accepts it as fate.

Gradually Maaya releases Arjun n is now obsessed with Samay...Samay gradually wins her trust, but ACTUALLY he's been trapping Maya all along...He collects enough evidences, confessions, etc to prove both her crimes & her mental illness...Maaya's trial starts n her mental illness n her crimes are proven...She's sent to a mental hospital, n it is decided that AFTER she is cured completely, she will have to serve term for life for her murders...

Meanwhile Samay & Saanjh reconcile...Samay was always in love with Saanjh since he had met her, n was only pretending to love Maya, for 2 reasons:

1) to have Saanjh's BFF Arjun released from Maaya's clutches, n hence see Saanjh happy

2) to take revenge from Maya for we hat she did to him 8 years ago...

Saanjh n Samay hug in the final episode...Saanjh says, "I love you Samay...I love you so much...Thank god uss psycho Maaya ka game KHATAM ho gaya Hai..."

Samay hugs her tightly..."Game toh ab shuru hua Hai, Saanjh..." Samay says this to himself, having the most creepy & psycho look in his eyes, smirking, stroking Saanjh's hair...N the camera freezes. 😈

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

HUSNA!!! Those are brilliantly penned thoughts. Brilliant analysis and SO SO BANG ON. You've intricately pointed out each action and the thought processes. AND I 100% AGREE!! You couldn't have said it any better. This is so much more complex than did he or didn't he try to sexually assault her?

Also The biggest changes for me was artificial emotional manipulation.
A person who's very nervous, agitated, frustrated. Whose voice is full of irritation, fear, anger and vulnerability. Can a person like this go from nervous to calm and cold and inviting in just a second?
Maya actually does it thrice! She's nervous one second, 'Ayan Ayan.'
the next second she steps into his physical space, lifts her chin, her eyes go cold and inviting, and her words are calm, and instigating, 'NAHI bataoongi' 'nahi choroongi.' 'tum log uspe bojh ho.'

Another thing. Ayan's emotional graph is very organic and steady.
You see the steady rise of anger-agitation-disgust all mingled and then you see it find an outlet.

On the other hand Maya's graph is very inconsistent.
Anger/nervousness -- Calmness/goading--Threatening/powerful--Trembling/cowering.

Up until that point she too is deliberately and excessively indulging in the physical tussle. pushing, shoving grabbing. Obviously he is more powerful which means her shoves aren't as power packed as his but those are shoves too. Both of them are on equal length in terms of anger/engagement/reach arjun/don't let him reach arjun.

In the matter of just one dialogue--which is also not lewd---and a shove--he has already shoved her so many times--she goes from calm, threatening, his equal to cowering and trembling. It's an inorganic emotional process. This lacks a few transitions.

If two men engage in a physical tussle. And all of a sudden one of them starts shuddering and cowering and trembling then the power dynamic completely changes and we might say Person B is actually assaulting person A whereas a moment before they were both on equal grounds.
This is an inorganic process and involves deliberate manipulation of emotions.


HUSNAA - AYEE CHALL!! AND SHUDUP!! Your analysis is FAR FAR MORE intricate, delicate and scientific than mine is. You've pointed out many things I too missed. IT'S BRILLIANT OKAY? SHUT SHOP.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

I take all your points. The whole ambiguity of the episode leads to all of us forming our own set of theories because it's a very subjective matter.
Instigation is bringing about an initiation or inciting someone to do something. In my opinion Maya very well knows all the signs of physical violence and attacks. Which means she could've exactly seen how this could go about. Before the door part we are not shown--for a single second--that she's cowering or in fear of him. All she fears is him getting the door open. She is neither physically neither mentally scared of him.
But my point is that you see-again and again--that her words, her tone, her way of standing, her way of talking to Ayan changes when they're both at the most agitated.

take the scene where he's about to slap her.
She's grabbing shoving him. He shoves her away. She grabs him and explains him in an irritated, agitated voice. Ayan then grabs her and says something. He's got her grabbed in this moment. It's the same tussle going. beat after beat. emotions are supposed to flow in fluidity.
but all of a sudden her demeanor changes. In this moment she exactly knows how angry he is, how agitated, his hold on her further displays his force and lying violence under the skin. All of a sudden her face clears, turns into a cold sharp mask and her words and her tone is calm, cold and staunch, 'Nahi bataaongi.'
this inorganic shift in her voice, in her demeanor, in her eyes and her words is a clear point out of her deliberation to me. He raises his hand but stops again. He doesn't hit her. But can we say she didn't expect the reaction? Maya isn't afraid of Ayan ever harming her. She doesn't cower away from his raised hand and it doesn't trigger her trauma. she isn't reminded of Ashwin's anger or how he could get in his fits. She exactly knows but she knows what happens in a physically violent situation and it means she doesn't feel threatened by Ayan.

She also likes to hurt and harm herself. Physical violence isn't a big thing for her. Which means that it is possible that she was expecting it out of him.

'maut se bhi badhkar' is a very very vague threat in my opinion. These are words. They were exchanging words right from the start. Maya has suffered worse violence at the hands of Ashwin. I think another factor was that she didn't run for it, didn't call security, didn't do ANYTHING if she felt even slightly threatened.
She had the keys didn't she? She stood there clutching the keys.
Ayan's words were definitely indecent and disgusting but the main question is a woman can tell if the man is trying to make sexual advances on her or not. If he's not making sexual advances on her than can his words be sexual or physically threatening? Words carry weight in actions too. Ayan on the other hand was turning Maya around and searching frantically for the keys in my opinion. He wasn't acting on the 'maut se badhkar saza doonga tumhe' thing so his words felt mere words to me. Said in anger, disgust, rage and frustration, said to get the keys out of her anyhow, somehow.

Maya obviously desperately needed to separate Arjun from his family. It just feels too precise a coincidence for me. Again I can be wrong. We're all judging in a subjective manner.

Originally posted by: aekiel

You girls are super efficient 👏 (tips hat off)

I'm a reasonably fast typer too (80 wpm), but something on this scale (including watching the epi) would take me somewhere between 3 and 4 hours. That if I don't develop writers' block in the middle of it 😳

I volunteered to do a WU of an episode once (can't remember which serial though), and it took me somewhere around 700 words and well over an hour and a half to get the whole thing done (including re-checks and a rewatch). Never volunteered again 😆

That's what I supremely appreciate what someone like Suta does on the KRPKAB boards, and doing that day in and day out deserves some kind of medal.

Sometimes I wish IF institutes some kind of rewards system- X points for X words and points can be exchanged for hard cash 😃
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Originally posted by: aekiel

You girls are super efficient 👏 (tips hat off)

Thanks! 😳

I'm a reasonably fast typer too (80 wpm), but something on this scale (including watching the epi) would take me somewhere between 3 and 4 hours. That if I don't develop writers' block in the middle of it 😳

I never really assessed my speed of typing but I don't think I'm very fast, kinda average. 😆

I volunteered to do a WU of an episode once (can't remember which serial though), and it took me somewhere around 700 words and well over an hour and a half to get the whole thing done (including re-checks and a rewatch). Never volunteered again 😆

I have done WU's here and there but like Rida said, I feel the need to insert my own reactions as well. 😆

That's what I supremely appreciate what someone like Suta does on the KRPKAB boards, and doing that day in and day out deserves some kind of medal.

Sometimes I wish IF institutes some kind of rewards system- X points for X words and points can be exchanged for hard cash 😃

I'd practically making my living off IF then. 🤣