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Originally posted by: AnuMP

The rest is for Urmila😆

Also anyone who has references to yellow cloth or morpankh from MB (KMG or CE) please share it here. So far, I have not found a single one that suggests Krishna had adopted such affectations. I want to make certain before I start drawing a character sketch in mind

Anu...I had givem citations in the Dharmic thread...
I have found 2 citations which show his yellow dress...
One is in the Durvasa scene...

Durvasa scene doesn't appear in CE and is widely accepted as interpolation, unfortunately

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Durvasa scene doesn't appear in CE and is widely accepted as interpolatuon, unfortunately

Actually it's Draupadi who is describing Lord Krishna...n mentions the yellow robe.
And there's another citation which has yellow robes...Will have to look for it.

Durvasa scene is one of my favorite really. Telepathic GoLi connection and all😆. And the Drau-Satya convo too.

Urmila

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Durvasa scene is one of my favorite really. Telepathic GoLi connection and all😆. And the Drau-Satya convo too.

Sadly, I have had to accept both as interpolations😭. Probably placed there by a Panchali fan like me😆.

Which is the other yellow cloth citation?

I dont think Draupadi had many fans ever...so much so that people would interpolate to glorify her...
If that had been the case, then the Sutaputra comment would have never existed...


I believe those citations to be interpolations which has a lot of ambiguity or inconsistency across versions...
And didnt u yourself give citatioms to prove that most of the things mentioned in the conversation have proofs
These days, u are finding almost every Draupadi-Ardi scene to be interpolation... 😭 🥺

😆 Amrita the things she did have been mentioned by other people like Vidur and even by her enemies. The people who say we never see her doing those things have not read the epic. The proof ia easilt found with just one night's search.

Originally posted by: AnuMP

😆 Amrita the things she did have been mentioned by other people like Vidur and even by her enemies. The people who say we never see her doing those things have not read the epic. The proof ia easilt found with just one night's search.

I meant that convo itself was an interaction because in no other place was Panchali ever found talking about herself like that so much.

The Durvasa incident doesn't appear in CE and I thought it had to be one anyway because it really doesn't fit the storyline.

When a poem is thought to be at best 33% original, some parts of it have to be interpolation, no? And the parts that don't get mentioned before or after when it should have been (like VH and Durvasa, both GoLi miracles) and the parts have no connection to the story line or are incongruous (like Panchali's jealousy or her long speech over Arjun when she said not a word at the longer exile) and the parts that are very different in various versions (sutaputra comment which is clearly not there in southern versions which say either that Karna failed or that Krishna stopped him) are the most likely parts which are interpolated.

Which other Panchali/ArDi parts did I say were interpolated?😕

The unfortunate tendency is to view women as victims and men as heroes riding to the rescue. Or to view them as arrogant and deserving what came their way. Or as focused mainly on matters of romance. Most of the interpolations on Panchali are based on such inclinations.

If you chip away at the interpolations, what I am seeing is that Vyasa had his hero(ine) and wove his story around her😆

I dont feel that the Ardi scenes are interpolated...They might be edited but not interpolated...
Tell me, what would people gain by making it appear that Draupadi loved Arjun?

The Veshya comment was probably added later to malign Karna...later Karna admirers may have added Sutaputra comment to malign Draupadi, and justify his interpolated deed...
Some Duryodhan fan must have created the Andha Ka Putra Andha comment to justify Duryodhan's deeds...
This is how, I believe interpolations and folktales come up...

The Bheel Mahabharat has Draupadi making love with Vasuki...🤢
Because, Bheels are probably snake worshippers...

However, this Ardi angle is not much important as far as the war is concerned...bcoz Arjun and Draupadi's child did not even survive, nor did their blood sit on the throne...
In this matter, ArSu is important.
Nor does this love glorify or malign anyone...So, y would people, all of a sudden, add such a non-existent angle?
If none of these scenes had been there, then maybe, I too would have never become an Ardi fan...My fascination for Ardi had begun in my childhood, but it strengthened ONLY after reading all these scenes...

And this Draupadi's love for Arjun is there in not one scene but many scenes...
The Sutaputra/Veshya comment may be called interpolations because, they are not mentioned anywhere else...but Ardi thing is mentioned again and again...

Why would someone interpolate something like?


We see Bheem saving Draupadi again n again...We see him even getting flowers for her...
Now will I claim that as interpolation too, because it's unlikely for a strong, tough man like Bhima to bring flowers for his wife?
Ofcourse not...even tough people can have softer emotions...

If Draupadi's love for Arjun had been there in only Subhadra's entry scene, then I, too, would have considered it as an interpolation...But it is there in many, many scenes...
Recently, I read a book by a Mahabharat expert named Nrishingho Prasad Bhaduri, n he has analyzed EVERY Ardi moment, and even tallied them with various versions, and given Sanskrit shlokas to prove his point...

This man has written a whole book on Ardi, and it's called 'Arjun O Draupadi'...

After reading such deep explanations by a scholar like him, I cannot believe that Draupadi's love for Arjun is an interpolation...I cannot claim that Arjun loved Draupadi the most, because there is A LOT of ambiguity...But Draupadi's love for Arjun is quite explicitly given...

Now if u want to claim them as interpolation...and break my already broken heart...💔, then it's your wish...😭🥺

Amrita, so you too read Dr. Bhaduri's books? He is one of my favourite researchers 😊 In his 'Krishnaa, Kunti and Kaunteya' he wrote in preface itself that Arjun is not only MB's hero but Draupadi's dearest hero too. His writing style is very beautiful and Sanskrit verses are used so nicely to convince readers. I love his books. Have you read the other parts too or only stuck to ArDi 😆 Btw in his recent book he has given a nice sketch of Subhadra too, and extended Draupadi chapter. You saw that one? It's only on MB women. Even Amba's character was narrated very beautifully.

I don't want to break you heart😲 but I can't tell you I believe something when I don't.