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GEETHA KRISHNAN

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1061

@Anu, neither Cherusseri Bharatam or IB can be considered as a version. Cherusseri Bharatam tells the Sakuntala story as it happened in Kalidasa's play and not as it happened in MB. That itself indicates that it is not reliable as a version.

Besides, when the original is available, what is the necessity of following versions? We need to go to a version only when we feel the original is not giving enough info and when we need something on the non magic angle

And as for the multi POV part, whether we publish or not, it shud sound like the same story. When i write as Karna, my Dury cannot be poles apart from Lannister's Dury. He can only b poles apart from Arjit's Dury. The relation G has with Pandavas is a beautiful one in MB. Even if u take G's divinity away, that's no reason to take away the strength and beauty of his relation with his cousins.

And frankly, I haven't seen any part in original MB that hinted towards a GoLi

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1062

You see the original idea was to use whatever versions available. If we are only going to do a copy/paste of KMG then what would be the point really?

Also what is the original version? KMG? CE? The Sanskrit version that's currently available? If we use CE, then the suthaputhra comment was never made. Even preface to CE says the KashmirI and Nepali versions are considered more unadulterated. They even gave veto power to the Kashmiri version. In the Nepali version I posted, Bheem wins the SV. UTTARA gets the weapons for Arjun, not her brother.

The idea behind writing unrelated characters was that we resist the temptation to use one character to glorify or demonize others. We see enough of it in established authors' works. In fact, that's what started this whole thing. To give equal voice to all major characters.

Am not sure what Brishti means by Adi is also doing this. But, if she is not inclined to write things in such a way that P looks like she was mightily jealous, I don't think she should be forced to, PROVIDED she can give citations in any version.

Not only that, I haven't done GoLi in any of the writings I did regardless of what Brishti may feel. This is not to say I don't believe it, just that I am going by the initial rules of the thread- if I cannot cite, then I cannot use. My thoughts along the line developed more from psychological analysis.

I have sent her a long drawn out set up to Khandavadahana. Since we are avoiding divinity here, then I have to provide reasons. Or they will look like 2 homicidal maniacs on a rampage. So I used the sociopolitical reasons. 1) Nagas were allies of Jarasandh. Actually G himself days that in his talk with Yudhi later. 2) They needed the land for their people 3) Acc to IB's article, they had a plan to build an expressway from Dwarka to Pragjyotisha. I haven't yet found any citations for it, so I just said they need to build infrastructure and Nagas would not let them do thay.

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GEETHA KRISHNAN

@KURT15

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1063

I dont say we use KMG alone, but we can still use versions instead of interpretations by others. And as for the equal voice part, other than Yudhi, all other major characters have been given voice by one author or the other.Our attempt is an attempt towards balance I feel by not giving too much prominence to anyone. Which wud mean that Dury and Co shud get equal screen space with Yudhi and co whereas in the epic it is mostly Yudhi and Co who gets all the limelight. And as for glorifying and demonizing, I shall certainly be trying to glorify my Dury and to demonize Arjun 😆( sorry bro😉)

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1064

I simply cannot see G as the effeminate figure in pictures. He is the nearly perfect man for me. If I write him as such how does it become AC? I think he was highly intelligent and super hot. I don't think other vyasas can tell me otherwise. How will that stop anyone else from writing A or Y as they want to?

Arjun parts I wrote because you can't write a one sided conversation. And of course sent it to Brishti to edit.

Give me a few minutes, I will post the offending piece of writing here.

First up is a G romantic scene which I refuse to post. Actually you gave me the idea when you asked about RM. He has a scene in KP when Satya and Arjun are next to G and G is busy dreaming of Radha. I couldn't find Satya in that place in KMG and Radha first appears in Geethagovindam, so used a generic woman watching G while he is busy having a mental love scene with a Gopika.😆

That I don't want to give away now.

The rest I will post. And you can decide if it is GoLi. I got Adi's OK for the scene. There is an emotional bond but that was always there. And I do suggest that G engineered ArSu on purpose which I actually think he did. Otherwise he comes across more callous in KMG, doing so with absolutely no reason, because KMG makes it clear that Subhadra was TOTALLY UNAWARE. I think he did it because he didn't want ArDi living in each others' pockets. That always came from thinking that 'his weapon in her room' had more to it than the literal meaning. He had plans for Arjun, you see😆 and wanted to make sure P didn't hold him back.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1065

Originally posted by: AnuMP
That was lovely😭

Beautiful and heart wrenching at the same time

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GEETHA KRISHNAN

@KURT15

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1066

Originally posted by: AnuMP
I simply cannot see G as the effeminate figure in pictures. He is the nearly perfect man for me. If I write him as such how does it become AC? I think he was highly intelligent and super hot. I don't think other vyasas can tell me otherwise. How will that stop anyone else from writing A or Y as they want to?

Arjun parts I wrote because you can't write a one sided conversation. And of course sent it to Brishti to edit.

Give me a few minutes, I will post the offending piece of writing here.

First up is a G romantic scene which I refuse to post. Actually you gave me the idea when you asked about RM. He has a scene in KP when Satya and Arjun are next to G and G is busy dreaming of Radha. I couldn't find Satya in that place in KMG and Radha first appears in Geethagovindam, so used a generic woman watching G while he is busy having a mental love scene with a Gopika.😆

That I don't want to give away now.

The rest I will post. And you can decide if it is GoLi. I got Adi's OK for the scene. There is an emotional bond but that was always there. And I do suggest that G engineered ArSu on purpose which I actually think he did. Otherwise he comes across more callous in KMG, doing so with absolutely no reason, because KMG makes it clear that Subhadra was TOTALLY UNAWARE. I think he did it because he didn't want ArDi living in each others' pockets. That always came from thinking that 'his weapon in her room' had more to it than the literal meaning. He had plans for Arjun, you see😆 and wanted to make sure P didn't hold him back.

I remember that from RM. That scene I am looking forward to read, And as for the Subhadra part, in all versions it is stated that Arjun was smitten. KMG is silent abt how Subhadra felt and G himself tells Arjun that a swayamvar is risky since the girl's heart is not known. In effect, all G does is to tell A that 'If u want my sister, u kidnap and marry her and I will turn the other way," I don't see how that is worse than G engineering the whole thing regardless of A and Su. But hey, its ur character and let us just agree to disagree

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1067

That's precisely my point. I am not justifying what he did. Just showing what reasons he may have had other than being totally lousy to his sister. If not, it becomes KMG cut and paste.

And btw, KMG actually says that Subhadra was unaware not that it is silent.

And I am not citing IB as a version. I am just saying I used his articles for ideas since some seem to think I used AC. I also used Ancientvoices which is a fab website really.

Like ALL written versions of MB including the Sanskrit one, Cherusseri appeared much later. There is so much difference between Northern and Southern Rescensions, I hear a CE for Southern Rescension is being planned now. The people at BORI themselves are not certain of any of this, so how are we so certain?

Plus, did we change the rules that we can only use these versions? I thought the rules were that you do not use interpretations or folk tales but all other versions are OK.

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Chiillii

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1068

AFAIK,

The problem with KMG and CE, is that vyasa writes what each charachter says or does. He does not write anywhere what each charachter thinks.

Classic example for P. After Yudhi announces P will marry all 5. Vyasa only writes hat they all looked at each other and at night P sleeps happily sleeps at their feet.

He nowhere mentions what is going on all the 6 Ps minds...I guess he did it to avoid any bias too.

Now we can either blindly copy the major versions KMG, CE, Southern. All are versions of vyasas work which don't mention what charachters think.. Or use some creativity to analyse what each charachter would be thinking when they say something or do something..

Ours is a fictional version like AC, POI, Ajaya and Randamoozham...but there is going to be a major difference between us and them... And that is a separate vyasa for each charachter who will ensure that his charachter is done justice too.. That he is not blackened to glorify another charachter. Which happened with all the other authors..

Let's face it all of us have our favorites and we do come up favorable reasons for every behavior of our charachters

So urmila don't worry you are there to make sure Yudhi is not vilified, just like brishti is there for Arjun and same for dury. I am sure Anu will make sure to find some redeeming quality for dushy also

And the vyasa/ vaishyampayana are there with veto power to ensure that we stick to charachterisation given by Vyasa.

So my P will not be a wailing pining wimp or loud mouthed bitchy queen...😡..because as per Vyasa the great she was anything but that

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Radhika

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1069

Originally posted by: Adishakti
AFAIK,
The problem with KMG and CE, is that vyasa writes what each charachter says or does. He does not write anywhere what each charachter thinks.

Classic example for P. After Yudhi announces P will marry all 5. Vyasa only writes hat they all looked at each other and at night P sleeps happily sleeps at their feet.

He nowhere mentions what is going on all the 6 Ps minds...I guess he did it to avoid any bias too.

Now we can either blindly copy the major versions KMG, CE, Southern. All are versions of vyasas work which don't mention what charachters think.. Or use some creativity to analyse what each charachter would be thinking when they say something or do something..

Ours is a fictional version like AC, POI, Ajaya and Randamoozham...but there is going to be a major difference between us and them... And that is a separate vyasa for each charachter who will ensure that his charachter is done justice too.. That he is not blackened to glorify another charachter. Which happened with all the other authors..

Let's face it all of us have our favorites and we do come up favorable reasons for every behavior of our charachters

So urmila don't worry you are there to make sure Yudhi is not vilified, just like brishti is there for Arjun and same for dury. I am sure Anu will make sure to find some redeeming quality for dushy also

And the vyasa/ vaishyampayana are there with veto power to ensure that we stick to charachterisation given by Vyasa.

So my P will not be a wailing pining wimp or loud mouthed bitchy queen...😡..because as per Vyasa the great she was anything but that

@ bold - I want to see anu do that 😲
@ red - U forgot to mention me, but still, Sabhayatha and me are waiting at the editing board 😉
@ greeen - True 👍🏼

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1070

Anyone who wants to take Shikhandi and Shakuni from me?

I would like to stick to G and Dushy

Just to clarify Dushy is not a fav character of mine😲😆. I just thought he would be 1) an interesting psychological study because he really enacted what Bheem did to him in childhood word for word, a case of the bullied bullying the weaker ones 2) a chance for me to clearly call an assault an ASSAULT, not an INSULT

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