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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

Ela, a Briefing of what I got from reading Akbarnama. I read till 150 pages. Need to catch up on reading.

  1. Akbar had charming qualities, keen intellect but by no means a saint or philosopher
  2. He was ruthless and self indulgent. He Condemned 20 children to death???Abhay/Ela have you heard about this.
  3. He ordered one of his men to look for a ford and he did not go till Akbar had asked him to go as Villagers told him they did not see any ford. That man's property was confiscated and he was sold as a slave
  4. Akbar was angry with a man who came in front of him drunk, that man was drenched in cold water and he died of shock.
  5. Salim found new ways to kill people, bitten by snakes. Make the kids watch their father killed
  6. Akbar when changed from Muslim to half hindu, expressed horror at his sons cruelties.
  7. Akbar had went on a hunting trip, birds and beasts had been gathered for miles in a jheleam district of Punjab, Suddenly Akbar had a change of mind and ordered to release all beasts and bird. It was supposed to be that he had a vision or some hermit visited him.
  8. Islamic prayers was abolished in court and worship of elect was based on that of Parsi and partly on the ceremonial of Hindus
  9. Salim saw Abul Fazi as an obstacle for all his wild plans
  10. 1592 Abul Fazi was promoted to post of commander of 2000 horse
  11. Abul Fazi did not like todarmal but praised him for his integrity and abilities. Abul Fazi complained about todermal to Akbar but akbar said he could not drive away a faithful old servant
  12. when accompanying Akbar, Todermal lost his gods, was sad and did not eat for days as he did not do anything before worship. Akbar cheered him up.
  13. Akbar bereaved at Abul fazi's death more than his son. He said if Salim wanted he could have killed me than killing AF
  14. Guards for Thursday, Fri, sat encamped in center. Sunday Monday on Right and Tuesday Wed on left



Sindhu,

You are reading Ain-e-Akbari. ?? :-P
Please read Akbarnama.

Ain is not history of Akbar, it contains observations/regulations till pg-306, after that i did not find it worth reading... Those points from Ain have been given by Vincent Smith also at appropriate places in his book in distributed manner..!!!

Ain contains lots of interpretations of the translator which are often NOT in sync.

Please dont believe 100% thing which is mentioned in that by external agents...That's why saying that you should start from the "starting" -> I mean from Akbarnama, Vol-1 onwards...There are 3 volumes. .

I am only responding to the point about 20 children, as you have asked.. 😊

Akbar did NOT condemn those 20 children to death.!!
. The problem with many Foreign authors is that they do not understand many things from our culture and then exaggerate many things..All are not like that, but some write too negatively..

Agree Akbar was not a saint, he had his follies, but he was not so bad also..

Radhika was emphasizing on same thing in this blog post. >
http://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.com/2015/01/meywa-jan-fake-preganancy-case-oriental-perspective.html


The actual incident is this >>> During the debates in Fatehpur Sikri, Akbar insisted that a person speaks something after he learns it from society...

So Akbar confined a few newborn children in a house specially built for them in total seclusion; and nurses were appointed to look after them and they had orders not to speak in front of the small babies..

After 3 years, Akbar visited that house. It was noted that all the children used in this experiment failed to pick / learn / speak anything or any language.

Thereby proving Akbar's POV that one can speak something only after hearing from others..
No one is born with perfect qualities. >A person learns everything from his/her surroundings.<


But, Personally, i think this was not good to keep these new born children for 3 years in solitary confinement, just to prove a point..🥱

If possible please question back > what is written in the text and try to verify the same thing from many sources. Only then this would become more refined.<I do the same.

I recommend start to read from Akbarnama volume-1 onwards...Read the life histories of people, not the regulations books. :P As you are interested in knowing about their history ... :))

BTW, Do keep sharing. 😊 And don't miss the blog also. 😉


Edited by history_geek - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: lasyap3


Which story Abhay ? 😕

I need to check my previous comments...But it is impossible through mobile...

Let me know ..



Lasya,
About that Rolls Royce story which you found interesting. :-P


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



Sindhu,

You are reading Ain-e-Akbari. ?? :-P
Please read Akbarnama.

Ain is not history of Akbar, it contains observations/regulations till pg-306, after that i did not find it worth reading... Those points from Ain have been given by Vincent Smith also at appropriate places in his book in distributed manner..!!!

Ain contains lots of interpretations of the translator which are often NOT in sync.

Please dont believe 100% thing which is mentioned in that by external agents...That's why saying that you should start from the "starting" -> I mean from Akbarnama, Vol-1 onwards...There are 3 volumes. .

I am only responding to the point about 20 children, as you have asked.. 😊

Akbar did NOT condemn those 20 children to death.!!
. The problem with many Foreign authors is that they do not understand many things from our culture and then exaggerate many things..All are not like that, but some write too negatively..

Agree Akbar was not a saint, he had his follies, but he was not so bad also..

Radhika was emphasizing on same thing in this blog post. >
http://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.com/2015/01/meywa-jan-fake-preganancy-case-oriental-perspective.html


The actual incident is this >>> During the debates in Fatehpur Sikri, Akbar insisted that a person speaks something after he learns it from society...

So Akbar confined a few newborn children in a house specially built for them in total seclusion; and nurses were appointed to look after them and they had orders not to speak in front of the small babies..

After 3 years, Akbar visited that house. It was noted that all the children used in this experiment failed to pick / learn / speak anything or any language.

Thereby proving Akbar's POV that one can speak something only after hearing from others..
No one is born with perfect qualities. >A person learns everything from his/her surroundings.<


But, Personally, i think this was not good to keep these new born children for 3 years in solitary confinement, just to prove a point..🥱

If possible please question back > what is written in the text and try to verify the same thing from many sources. Only then this would become more refined.<I do the same.

I recommend start to read from Akbarnama volume-1 onwards...Read the life histories of people, not the regulations books. :P As you are interested in knowing about their history ... :))

BTW, Do keep sharing. 😊 And don't miss the blog also. 😉




ah okay, Got it Abhay. Will switch now to Akbarnama...Thank u for clearing it out..

I too agree its sad the children were kept in confinement for 3 yrs just to prove a point.

I religiously go to your blog everyday. I need to comment which I am lagging, After reading everyones comments I have nothing to add.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Ok.
But, why you want to know about that abusive conversation . It was quite bad when i was reading first time about it .! :(

Abu'l Fazl says , Akbar called Adham -> " Son of Bi*ch " .

In Persian Akbarnama, it says > "Bacchha i Laadda".


Akbar must be really angry that time. !


Oh..Actually I am reading medieval India as I told you...Part 6 is the book which has lessons on Akbar..and his gali is mentioned as a sign of Indian ness...
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Posted: 10 years ago
Sindhu I know Jallu kept kids away to know abt language development...Jalal used to do such experiments...
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Posted: 10 years ago
Hi friends,

Hope u all are doing well.Thanks all for sharing your readings.its very interesting and insightful



Many more happy returns of the day Sindhu..
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: prav2

Hi friends,

Hope u all are doing well.Thanks all for sharing your readings.its very interesting and insightful



Many more happy returns of the day Sindhu..




Hi Priya,

How are you. Today, after so long .? I hope you are well now... 😊

Missing many other friends on this thread - Neha, Radhika, Charu, Rasika, and many others...
MISSING.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Hi Priya,

How are you. Today, after so long .? I hope you are well now... 😊

Missing many other friends on this thread - Neha, Radhika, Charu, Rasika, and many others...
MISSING.



I know right, Abhay.

Rashmi U need to read and write about Shivaji. Abhay we have to start giving Homework's to everyone...

I am going to start Akbarnama today...
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: elasingh

Happy birthday Sindhu



thanks Ela, Priya and all..Love u all.

Infact today I woke up very Sad, then i saw rashmis post and was at peace and cheered up. Actually as my b'day nears I feel very sad, then I become normal. I miss my father very much, it has been 3 yrs now. I was very close to him and since he passed its not the same any more.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Hi Priya,

How are you. Today, after so long .? I hope you are well now... 😊

Missing many other friends on this thread - Neha, Radhika, Charu, Rasika, and many others...
MISSING.


I'm fine Abhay ...miss you all ..left ja long before but read all your posts and visit the blog.Being silent as i have nothing more to add but whatever you guys share is very interesting and a learning experience.

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