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Posted: 12 years ago
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Oh Ivy ... you are Awesome ...


Thanks a million for agreeing to give us these Tutorials... 😊

This is so great ... we are going to gain so much knowledge about the Tecnical aspects of Film making and TV shows ...

and that too from an IVY Leaguer herself ... and that too from the Very Best (ref... Cross Dressing ... ) 😊


@ Change of ID ...so glad to see that you have finally decided to change it to the rightful name. 😃

But ...But ... why is this Awesome Thread not on the Forum ... why on the Chat Club section ??

I really think it shall be of so much greater benefit to so many other Forum Members who Love the Show ... they might not be very active contributors , but i am sure many of them would Love to read your points about the finer aspects of the Show and be benefited by your knowledge ...

So i would like to suggest that you consider putting this Thread on the Forum itself ... givng a chance to many more folks to peek in and drop in ... and more so ...considering most of us are also now going to be spending most of our time here on this Thread ( since there is hardly anything to discuss otherwise ) ... of course it is entirely your call to take ... Hope you do not mind my giving this suggestion ...


Once again let me Thank you for agreeing for this ... It is so good that you are willing to give so much of your time for us ...

I am especially looking forward to this journey as i am a complete novice ... have absolutely no idea about the actuals that go into the making of a TV show ... the only thing one knows is whether it is Visually pleasing or not ...

So ... so waiting to dive into this sea of knowledge about Film making ...😊


@ Glossary ... Thanks a lot ...

This is going to be so useful ...one does know a few terms ... but there are many about which one is not very clear ...



@ Promo ...


OMG ... Thanks a million for the wonderfully Illuminating post ... It is Fantastic... 👏⭐️

shall write my two cents about the serious stuff seperately... 😊

This post is just to express my Thanks to you and Happiness ...Shall come back later about the actual discussions ...




@ Hgg Bhaii ... Thanks for the wonderful analysis and the questions ... this is going to be the way we are going to move deeper into this...

I am really Lucky to be surrounded by all you Brilliant people ... and to be able to participate in such high Calibre , Stimulating discussions ...


Thanks a lot to all the wonderful people here ...



P.S ...

Ivy ... Have you sent a PM about this new Thread to Smrth Bhaii ... i do not know whether he is visisting the Forum these days ... i am sure he would Love to be a part of this ... 😊

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Twila 🤗
So glad you could have a read of the present discussions and I'm really happy you appreciated the promo analysis, that was especially for you... 😳 Maybe you could, since I'm new to AK, point out some hallmarks of AK's direction, from the promo, when you respond to the analysis proper?

This is in CC because it is a reference manual, handy and accessible. Only the promo is going to be analysed here, as a starting example. All other scenes starting from Happy's suggested ones will be analysed in CB itself. But you make a good point and I appreciate your suggestion... I just am unsure of how this is going to be recieved in the forum, because Arshi too makes a good point, this goes beyond SC and other show comparisons will come in as well. CC gives us more latitude but less exposure... For me, it is always quality over quantity, but if SC folks are interested, I won't want them to be deprived... 😕

P.S. I have, actually... and I'm hoping this brings smrth Bhai back 😃
Edited by -Ivy- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The promo currently being discussed :

[YOUTUBE]HTTP://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NNRhG7ejK8[/YOUTUBE]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_NNRhG7ejK8
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Ivy - stupendous

hgg- loved your questions and Ivy's answers

The promo conveyed so much and I am impressed

So i am going to be the class idiot here, wait for the class geniuses to ask the questions, and get the answers for me

Twila,

we can post this on the forum also, thye promo analysis is a practice lesson for us all.

hence forth we can do scene discussion in any post on the form, question Ivy about it, or show off our own newfound learning

use this post as a reference post. for glossary terms, technical explanations etc.

and as all these are independent of SC, for instance to understand Arshad Khans work we might want to bring in some IPK scenes etc, I thought we could also have a master post sort of outside SC.

the idea is to have a common place for reference which we can then apply to SC or even other shows



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Ivy-

Introduction:


Film Form asks you to seriously think about film/tv, as seriously as you would about literature. But why seriously think about it, at all? Many people, don't. We go to movies/watch tv to be entertained, to kill time, to be scared and grossed out, to have something to discuss afterwards. Outside of a film studies course, we rarely hear/see people engaged in a discussion of films/tv that goes much deeper than plot or characters.

The reason that attention must be paid to film is that most of us get our stories - our narratives and myths - from it, or from its close cousin, television. From late nineteenth century onwards, people have turned to film/tv as entertainment, escape and education - as an affirmation of the way they live or think they ought to live their lives. But even if film/tv were "only" entertainment, it would be important to find out how it works. Why does it entertain us? Why do we need to be entertained? Film/tv is part of world politics and national policy. Some governments support filmmakers and television producers as a means to express their national culture to the world.

All nations understand the power of film and television to influence their people, to propagandize values, and ideologies; discussions that we engage in whilst discussing each episode lately, but mostly, here, we will talk about the form - the way episodes are put together so that we, as viewers, understand what they are attempting to tell us and how they do so. We will come to this from the perspective of textuality - studying the episode itself and how all its parts work - which makes up a large, coherent construction of meaningful and interrelated elements that we can analyze - a text that we can read.

As Arshi has stated, let us all begin a new journey and gain a new appreciation, formulate an even nuanced critique of what we watch compulsively, helplessly, daily. One thing I promise, is that after this, as you become a part of this journey, you won't be able look at Saraswatichandra or ANY film or television show, in the same way. Ever again.

In effect, this journey will mark the end of your film/television 'innocence'. This is an invitation to discover a world in which nothing is simple, nothing is "just there," and nothing can be dismissed without, at least, your being conscious that dismissal has consequences.





Ivy ... 🤗



The Intro is Fabulous ... Thanks a ton for it ... 😊

Most of us tend to treat TV and Cinema as merly sources of Mindless Entertainment ... We tend to forget the Importance of this medium ... What a Powerful Medium it is ...

Thanks for reminding us by Bold No 1 above ... It is so true ... Now a days , this is the medium from which we get our Stories ... Drama ... This medium shall lead to the creation of the Myths and Legends of the Modern age ... Without our realizing , it is moulding our minds and thought processes ...

@ Bold 2 ... Yes ... we are all ready and geared up to " lose our Innocence " thanks to you ... 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Ivy-

Twila 🤗

So glad you could have a read of the present discussions and I'm really happy you appreciated the promo analysis, that was especially for you... 😳 Maybe you could, since I'm new to AK, point out some hallmarks of AK's direction, from the promo, when you respond to the analysis proper?

This is in CC because it is a reference manual, handy and accessible. Only the promo is going to be analysed here, as a starting example. All other scenes starting from Happy's suggested ones will be analysed in CB itself. But you make a good point and I appreciate your suggestion... I just am unsure of how this is going to be recieved in the forum, because Arshi too makes a good point, this goes beyond SC and other show comparisons will come in as well. CC gives us more latitude but less exposure... For me, it is always quality over quantity, but if SC folks are interested, I won't want them to be deprived... 😕

P.S. I have, actually... and I'm hoping this brings smrth Bhai back 😃





Ivy ...



I know you have done the Promo analysis ... specially cause i asked ... That is really sweet of you ... and i hugely , hugely appreciate it , my friend ... Thanks a ton ... 😊

Why i asked for it ... I found the Promo quite good ... Thought it was conveying the coming story in a nutshell quite well ... also it seemed to be " Interest generating " for the new viewers too by showing the battle b/w Two Men for One Woman ... The Drama element came through too ...

and of course most Importantly ... it " Looked Good " 😊

For me as an ordinary viewer it was Visually Beautiful ... Well Shot ... with good Lighting Effects ... especially the last part with the Rain falling on the Car Window panes ... and Saras and Pramad confronting each other and then ending with the Focus on Saras ...

So i thought here is something i have liked ... now we should take the EXpert's view about it ... for more Insights and greater appreciation of the work behind it ... 😊

So THANK YOU soo much for having done this PRomo analysis ...



As for Arshad's work ... i can not really be of much help to you Ivy ...

as i have not seen IPKKND ... just caught a few bits and pieces sometimes ... so i have not really been following his work ... I have seen the Initial episodes of Qubool Hai , before i joined the SC bandwagon ...

I can only say that AK is very young ... he must be around 28-29 years only and he has done only 3-4 shows till now ... IPKKND and then the currently running " Qubool Hai " ... from where he has now moved to our Show ...

As for his Special Style or Stamp ... i can only give my layman's two cents ...

In my view he seems to have an eye for Beauty ... he can visualise Beautiful scenes ... how to use the Lights , Camera etc. to present the leads Beautifullly ... make them look really Good... make the overall Scene look Visually Stylised rather than Tacky and Garish ...

What i meant by saying that this was an AK promo was that by the " LOOK " of the promo this was definitely shot after AK had joined and there was no contribution of MG in it ... it was purely AK's work ...



@ Bold 2 ... I fully agree with you and Arshi and take your point ... Let this be a Reference Thread here... and let us discuss teh scenes in CB itself in the Forum ... 😊

But do consider posting this Promo Analysis too on the Forum ... i am sure many people would Love reading it and partaking of the beautiful Insights that you have provided here ...
Edited by twila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Ivy-

An Example of 'Mise-en-scene Reading'; Saraswatichandra Promo, September 24th.


The shot composition, gives an ambience of romance, as well as illumination and the breaking of illusions.
Starts off with a Medium Shot (MS, from waist up) of Pramad and Kumud. Notice the use of chiaroscuro, the background is enveloped in shadows. Why? Look to the placement of characters, Pramad is 'leading' Kumud, not by hand, but by a 'push'... The darkness and shadows symbolises, where Pramad has come from, Pramad's 'essence' - dark and evil. He is taking Kumud towards the light, but it is a light encased in 'glass'... Glass breaks, glass pierces, and glass hurts. Also the camera pans, from right to left. A sweeping effect, kind of like when someone is drowsy and can accidentally or not, get hurt/into trouble. All this means Kumud is in for a rude shock.

Pramad 'leads' Kumud, she is blindfolded, not by any cloth etc, but by Pramad's palm. This suggests that she will let him in, to the point that he will lead, and she will follow. Not by compulsion, but by volition. Once he takes off his palm, the shot tightens... Moving from a MS to a Medium Close-up (MCU, from shoulders up), becoming further intimate. This outlines the next part of Pramad's plan. Once he has Kumud trusting him enough that she will allow him to lead her, blindfolded (i.e. Kumud may/will take Pramad's side over Saras/BD), and then he will try to engage Kumud 'as a husband'... Note, when the 'blindfold' first is 'taken off' Kumud appears mesmerized by the 'light' that Pramad has led her to (meaning, he will very likely spin her a yarn) and then she gets distracted by the 'gold', representing her marriage. This is a two-pronged strategy employed on Kumud (the light and the gold)... Once Pramad tries to make moves on her, Kumud is going to be 'flustered/taken in' to the point where she will nearly 'capitulate'... Notice that she raises her hand by herself, accepting Pramad's 'token' to be her husband. But we never really see, right there, if Pramad succeeds in that respect.

Because the foreground blurs and the background comes in focus (Saras, MS, then MCU)... He is standing behind 'glass' (again break, pierce, hurt) that obscures somewhat the doorway... He cannot go to Kumud, and Kumud is unaware of him. Suggests possible Saras/Kumud tension. He stares in shock/confusion and the voice-over explains his pov: Saras suspects but he is unsure as to whether Pramad is really sincere or not. This may mean also, that he lacks evidence and Kumud's support. Notice, he is placed all alone, while they are a 'couple'. Saras' background is also in contrast. It is evenly lighted, meaning Saras is on the level, and white, bright, because that is his essence: pure. And there, after Saras shares his suspicions, then only we see that Kumud accepts Pramad as husband via the token 'gold'. This means, Kumud goes against Saras' better judgement. And as she does, that very moment, Saras leaves from there. Maybe to gather evidence as to Pramad's true face or leave Kumud to her 'happy' fate.

Then there is a dissolve, to enable continuty editing and we see a MCU Saras in a car. Then a Close-up (CU) Saras as he remembers in flashback, what he saw, so recently in fact that the flashback is still in colour. The CU on Saras at this point, internalises him. Note, Kumud, is never in CU, which suggests the track will not show her in a dilemma, she will blindly believe. Only Saras will not and he may take active measures against it, alienating Kumud. Then we have an example of Parallel Editing to accomodate in the frame, Pramad and Saras both in cars. Both placed opposite to each other and both backlighted, one recedes into background as the other goes into sharp focus. Rivals. This is to highlight that this is a battle between the two men only, that Kumud is a prop/collateral damage. And the fact that their ways are opposite, but also note that they are so placed, that they can be heading for a full-frontal collision, in future. Pramad postures and flaunts his triumph, his lines suggest that he knows Navin is Saras, and Saras response to him acknowledges that he knows Pramad does and he doesn't give an eff. That cuts Pramad's triumph short... The reaction he wanted from Saras he is not getting. Saras purposefully looks away, straight, as though Pramad ain't worth his time anymore and a CU of Saras, as he says the last line declares that this is WAR.

Overall thoughts:

Promo overall is dark and ominous, not romantic. The 'romance' is all for Kumud's benefit. This is achieved primarily through mise-en-scene: props, lighting and camera shots. The use of chiaroscuro, which hinders Kumud from seeing beyond what Pramad wants her to see, parallel editing which pits Saras and Pramad as rivals. And only Saras in CU which suggests that he will be the only one in this whole track that the viewers will relate to. Kumud will be relegated to a prop only. And Pramad will not go beyond a caricature. This also fortells a possible Saras-Kumud 'break'. And the rain suggests, that when Saras leaves, he will do so under explosive circumstances, or if not, then he will bring back explosive news, to shatter the glass, which encased Kumud's light.




Ivy ...



What a First Tutorial ... SCINTILLATING is the word ... 👏👏

For us it is merely a 2 minute Promo ... But see ... your dissection is so Enriching ... It brings out the differrent shades and hues that we would not have known otherwise ... i have put a few such instances in Bold above ...

The Haze and shadows from which Pramad is shown emerging ...Symbolic of him being Dark ...
( BTW ... i love the word " Chiaroscuro " ... sounds so Lilting ... ) 😊

and the Importance of showing Glass ... Symbolic of Break ...Hurt ... Pain ... Woww...
( while i thought it was all about adding some Shine ... Glitter ... and Beauty to the shot )

From now on ... whenever i see Glass being used in any scene ... i shall understand its true meaning ... Thanks to you ... 😊

The Significance of the Golden Bracelet ... as a symbol of Marriage ... another Lovely Insight ... and so important to the understanding of what the Promo is trying to show ...

and so many more such instances .. ...


This is all so, so Amazing ... You have given us so many new points to appreciate ... helping us understand and appreciate the Composition and the Beauty of the Shots ...

One did get the general drift ... But now one realises that one had merely got the bare sketch ... just scratching the surface ... your analysis has made it so much more fulfilling... you have explained each scene and shot so well that we can appreciate the significance of each aspect ... the placement of the characters ... the Lights ... the Props ... everything makes so much more sense now ...


No Thanks are enough for your priceless inputs that are adding so much depth to our viewing experience ... Now we know this is why the Expert's opinion is so valuable ... 😊


Thanks a million once again , pal ... 🤗
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ ivy,
Twila has a great idea, you could post the promo analysis on the forum.

It would be a great learning experience for all

Now that I have seen the promo so many times, trying to relate to what you are saying

I find myself noting minute details

So an observation :

Doesn't the way he clasps the bracelet on Kumud's wrist resemble handcuffing?

Also a question ivy : in this scenario where there is no bank of episodes and episodes are made just in time, and also tracks change for TRP,

Can the makers do ramanchi? Indicate one thing through the promo, but change mid way and give us something entirely different.

For ex though the promo indicates a devious pramaad, the cvs may change their mind and give us a good pramaad?

Also what is the duration of the track indicated by a promo - is there some sort of time frame within which the promo typically plays out, or it is completely flexible?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Ivy, what a dose of awesomesauce!👏 In your own words, stand-frikkin'-ovation to ya😊⭐️⭐️

Call me a philistine, but honestly looking into the technical aspects of the show was a chore for me although I'll be trying hard to gauge all my attention to grasp the nuances and Easter eggs in every episode from here on. 😳 My confused background (engineer cum pre-med turned med student) needs to be blamed for the lack of interest in anything artsy, I guess

I have nothing more to add on here and you deserve all the accolades that come your way for this brilliant analysis. Now, I'll just sit back and try to assimilate the things you've said so as to not make a frikkin' fool out of myself!

This post needs to be under the grand topic of SC. Could you please, please do so?😉

Thanks all for asking great, thought provoking questions! Love this forum😊


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Originally posted by: tryforceful

Ivy, what a dose of awesomesauce!👏 In your own words, stand-frikkin'-ovation to ya😊⭐️⭐️


Call me a philistine, but honestly looking into the technical aspects of the show was a chore for me although I'll be trying hard to gauge all my attention to grasp the nuances and Easter eggs in every episode from here on. 😳 My confused background (engineer cum pre-med turned med student) needs to be blamed for the lack of interest in anything artsy, I guess

I have nothing more to add on here and you deserve all the accolades that come your way for this brilliant analysis. Now, I'll just sit back and try to assimilate the things you've said so as to not make a frikkin' fool out of myself!

This post needs to be under the grand topic of SC. Could you please, please do so?😉

Thanks all for asking great, thought provoking questions! Love this forum😊





Completely unrelated to this discussion, but I have it in my weekend plan to post a translation of mandir scene as you had asked.

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