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- Ugrasen and Kans in response to the murder of Keertiman, up until when the former is imprisoned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASLuhNqEiLM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAl-YSoL-PA

Here I post the commentary on 3 out 6 scenes assigned by you Lola in this and next two posts.😊 I was planning to do it for all 6 together but thought let me do it now for the 3 already done when connectivity is there right now. I enjoyed analyzing every line of the scenes with empathizing the characters really really well. Very good experience yet again after FFs.

When Ugrasen comes to know about the murder of Keertiman, he is ever so stunned, sad and angry. He might have expected any henious act by his disappointing son, but not this one. And he might be knowing about Vasudevji's promise to give all his babies to Kans for their fortune to be decided by Kans whatever way Kans wished. But that can't keep Kans away from his moral and legal duties as a human and civilian respectively. Having obtained the right to get to see the babies of Devaki first is one thing and the fact that he would actually kill that baby was another thing. And that actually happened just now. Even if Kans's nature and tendencies were open to his father; fearing or worrying about the fact that Kans could commit such crime anytime is different from experiencing the fact actually when it did happen. Ugrasen is a noble & dutybound king and he innocently sends soldiers to catch his criminal son without having any idea what plans Kans is already having to snatch the kingdom with full preparation. Poor father still thinks that he has the power of the king but his power is about to be robbed off by his sinful trickster son with the help of Magadh army. I like the powerful acting of Vijay Kavish a lot over here. Of course he is my favourite actor so I like him in any scene. His dubbing voice doesn't seem to be the one used for Shivji and looks to be the one used for Valmiki. Same dubbing voice is perhaps used for Jarasandh in later episodes after Kans vadh. Expressions here of the actor are extremely powerful and obvious to all.
Ramanand Sagarji is known for his devotion more and BRC is known for Raza's dialogs in Mahabharat. It is general image that RSji's excellence is emotional and devotional scenes. But actually, RSji in absolute terms had powerful magical talent in LOGIC also to transfer that faith, religious beliefs and moral Dos & Donts beliefs in him into others to which most members of this CC will agree. Ramanand Sagar's logical power straightaway starts showing effect in this scene from the very first dialog and in a very solid logical flow, moves further. I post the exact dialogs here to clear what I want to say:
Kans (Calmly & irritatingly): Aisa kaun sa bada aparaadh kiya hai maine, jo maharaj itne krodhit ho gaye?
Ugrasen: Tumne aparadh nahi kiya hai, paap kiya hai. Ek JAGHANYA paap (This word is impressed in mind powerfully when Vijay Kavish speaks it. OMG what a powerful acting over here.). Mahapaap. Ek nirdosh, nirih baalak ki hatya karke puchhte ho ki kya aparadh kiya hai maine???!!!! 😡 😡 😡 Ek nirih baalak ke rakt se, hath thaamte hue, tumhara hriday nahi kaampa???!!!!! 😲 (Here his innocence is seen once again as if he is not knowing anything about Kans's nature ' despite knowing his son's nature very well perhaps, he is so innocent man that he still can't imagine or think of the possibility of a man committing such a crime.)
Kans: Jab ek veer yoddha chalta hai, to uske pairon tale, senkado keede makode mar jate hain. Phir kis kis ki mrutyu ke liye uska hriday kaampega? (Egoistically trying to give silly logic and trying to show as if he is starting to talk spiritual knowledge ' trying to enter into the irrelevant argument of equality of humans and ants which is actually the highest form of vision of sages who are selfless & harmless and see same soul in all creatures feeling all the time every second for the welfare of all of them. Here starts the earlier debate of Lola about Compassion & detachment.)

Ugrasen (Continues in his excited UGRA speech and even with that angry mind, naturally & knowledgably gives powerful intellectual fight in logical war): Wo koi keeda makoda nahi tha, ek maanav ki santaan tha; ek maanav tha (to mean that humans are much higher souls in terms of knowledge of self or the potential of knowing self in that birth though spiritually same souls live in all).
Kans (Still continuing to be logical in his own way of evil inhuman thoughts): To kya hua? Is dharati par prati din hazaaron maanav marte hain (As if there is no difference between natural death and murder). Ek aur mar gaya to maanav samaaj me koi bahut badi kshati nahi ho jaayegi.
Ugrasen: Maanav ke marne se nahi, maanav ko maar daalne se (Exactly the dialog what should be or could be anticipated by the viewer after the thought provoked from the previous dialog of Kans. We can almost predict this should be the reply of Ugrasenji and here it is actually found by us in next moment put by RSji.), maanav samaaj ki kshati hoti hai (As it turns human society into a wildlife jungle), desh ki kshati hoti hai (As it turns the system into anarchy setting wrong example), dharm ki kshati hoti hai (immoral social modelling and temporary loss/defeat of truth ' harm to good people ' dharm ki glaani); aur jis desh me dharm ki kshati ho jaay, us desh ka sab kuchh kshay ho jata hai. Wo nasht ho jata hai. Isiliye raja ke hath me rajdand hota hai (King = God on the earth of all humans ' naraanaam cha naraadhipam - paalanhaar ' to bring the balance ' dharmsansthaapan); ki wo aise jaghnya paap karne wale ko uchit dand de kar, desh aur dharm ki raksha kar sake (This reminds me straightaway my most favourite scene of Ramayan ' Vali vadh ' Dando damayataam asmi).
Kans (Still irritating and oversmart ' falsely trying to hide his meanness behind his unawareness of dharma ' which in fact is not the case): Oho!!!!! Ek baalak ke marne se desh aur dharm, dono hi sankat me pad jaayenge, ye mai nahi jaanta tha. (This dialog reminds me my teaching subject of Law ' sentence on first chapter first page ' "IGNORANCE OF LAW IS NO EXCUSE"; and one can understand the significance of this clear logical principle by the situation of this scene).
Ugrasen: Nahin jaante the to ab jaan jaaoge (Again perfect reply as could be anticipated by most of the viewers a second ago before listening to this spontaneously reply ' If you were not knowing, fine. But that is what the rule is and you can't escape from punishment and hence the toughest of punishment will strongly make you realize and reflect over the magnitude of your deed to keep it permanent in your memory and even in your deep conscience for all future births ' that is precisely what punishment is meant for.) Aur is saamraajya ke pradhaan senapati hone ke naate, tumahara kartavya tha - nyay, dharm aur praja ki raksha karna (When policeman is a criminal, that is even more serious crime ' samaaj ke rakhwale hi samaaj ke shatru ho jaay), parantu tumne apne is kukarm se apne desh, apne dharm, yahan tak ki maanav jaati ko kalankit kar diya (in front of eyes of all creatures and gods). Arre tum maanav nahi, pashu ho pashu (Again this dialog was supposed to come somewhere. It was bound to come around somewhere ' lack of compassion for own specis like some of the animals though not all.). Aur jab tak ham yahan ke raja hain, tum jaise pashuon se apne desh, apne dharm ki raksha karte rahenge (To maintain the dignity of HUMAN birth ' maanav jaati ki laaj ' To prevent human nature ' potentially most probable to realize the self ' and human culture from falling. Again reminding Valivadh scene.).
Kans: To uska ek hi sahaj rasta hai maharaj, ki aap raja hi na rahe. (Now taking out real intensions on the surface shocking the innocent father & king even more and more than before). Bahut der raj kar liya aapne. Bahut der. Ab aapki aayu van me ja kar tapasya karne ki hai. In jhamelon me padne ki nahi (Familier background music of RJ creates the usual impact of the scene). Apne haathon se ye raaj mukut, mere sir par pehena dijiye. Pehena dijiye. Desh ka kalyan ho jaayega. (And then big evil laugh).

Ugrasen: Kans. Yaad hai tumne ek baar kaha tha, ki raajya koi kheer nahin jo bhukhon me baant di jaay (This dialog reminds me the Dhyut of Mahabharat ' not just wife or brothers, even kingdom is not your property which can be gifted or gambled ' millions of people's future is dependent on the king whom they elected by keeping faith and relying); usi prakaar ye raaj mukut koi khilona nahi, jo ek sanki baalak ko khelne ke liye de diya jaay. Ise mastak par dhaaran karne ke liye YOGYATA honi chaahiye.
Kans: YOGYATA shakti ka dusra naam hai maharaj (Familiar philosophy of Ravan. Might makes right. Jo maare uski talwaar. Survival of fittest. Jungle ka kaanoon. Again this is in consistency with PASHU SAMAAJ ' wild devil origin of Kans) aur shakti; shakti keval talwar me hai.
Ugrasen (Finally coming out of shocks after shocks and ordering action): Ye raaj drohi hai. Bandi bana lo ise.
Kans tries to warn the loyal guards of Ugrasen but the chief guard replies: "Sainik ka kaarya sochne ka nahi, aagyaa paalan ka hai" (The answer reminds me Indo-Pak wars of 65 and 71 when soldiers fought according to orders from high command only, they gave away their lives and then compromises were made about land later at political level. A soldier can't strategize or challange a strategy or oppose it even if he knows that what he is about to do is a futile suicide ' even though that is not totally relevant here in this case because here the soldiers had that very specific action to be their right duty anyhow without applying mind also).
Magadh warriors come from behind and kill the loyal guards of Ugrasen. Ugrasen is now helpless and knows the criticality of the situation. He makes up his mind to fight himself and finish with it by sacrifice for dharma. He tries his best most energatically even at that age. But result was destined. Kans after defeating in sword battle doesn't kill and insults by artificially showing mercy. Ugrasen doesn't want to live and wants VEERGATI and begs Kans to kill him. For any anxious viewer watching the story for the first time, it is very easy to believe that Kans would do it or can do it easily. But as if the REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY works over here, he spares his father to live for many years in solitude in mental and physical miseries. Mayapati ki maya (This reminds me the Narad scene ' aaj jab hamne swayam uske saamne rahsya khol diya, to wo samajhne laga ki ham use bharma kar kisi aur baalak ki aur uska dhyan bata rahe hain). Ugrasen's fortune was to lead him to meet Lord's incarnation in the same birth. Ugrasen is sent and thrown insultingly in a dark lonely dongeon and the agent of Kans advocates his master as if his master is greatest merciful God. Ugrasen repents over his fate as a father and prays to God that no father should either get such son or the continued life immediately after getting such son. This along with a couple of other scenes makes the character of Ugrasen (Also Shursen) as important, respectable and lovable as Vasudev-Nand-Akrur in terms of goodness or righteousness or sticking to dharma, howsoever little may be the length of the role.
Edited by ShivangBuch - 14 years ago
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- Sita Maa's first ghaas ka tinka scene
(4:30 into this clip) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmq_QHhzXWw

It is the scene upto which we see the beautiful and charming acting and presence of Deepika in the role of Sitaji. The acting is ever so good right from her entry in the serial. But as everyone can notice, there is a certain progressive chart about the maturity in her acting. By the episode of Sitaharan, she is supposed to have completely engrossed herself into the character she is playing, and now for the first time really substantially, she has to show the super strength, seriousness and anger in her performance. She has to switch over from the softest style of the acting to the hardest style of acting. Power, strength & commitment. Firmness. And how well she has done that in this scene and such other further scenes.
It is just a few days after the abduction of Sitaji, Ravan arrives to see Sitaji in Ashok vatika. He wants to check whether Sitaji has surrenderred to his wish or not. But Sitaji has not taken any food and hasn't touched even any thing and has made up her mind to give up her life by fasting gradually. Ravan doesn't want her death but wants to make her his queen at any cost. And Sitaji's strong willingness to die also seems to be working as reverse psychology on him that he wants to keep Sitaji alive at any cost. He can't tolerate defeat ever and making Sitaji ready through any tactic ' Sam, Dam, Dand, Bhed ' to become his queen has been made his mission by him in which he has not been able to find any chance of victory so far and he is now in effort to somehow create some chance. Convincing, tempting or frightening ' he is going to try everything. Here are his efforts and Sitaji's response to that:
Ravan (super egoistically): Suna hai tum marna chaahti ho? Parantu tumhare praan lene ke liye Yamdoot to kya, swayam Yamraaj bhi hamari aagyaa ke bina yahan nahi aa sakte. Tum tabhi marogi jab Lankeshwar chaahenge. Sundari, tumne abhi tak Ravan ki shaktiyon ko nahin pehechana.
Sitaji: Jin shaktiyon par tum ghamand kar rahe ho, wo shaktiyan tumhare paap karmo ke kaaran kalankit aur bhrasht ho chuki hain. (Straightaway a strong statement made. The next sentence is even more strong and thought provoking and very serious judgement made by Jagadamba Sita.) Na keval shaktiyan, varan un shaktiyon ka vardaan denewale Brahma aur Shiv ko bhi tere paapon ne kalankit kar diya hai (You have misused the powers given by them and have thus spoilt their names - by harassing good people using those powers obtained through austerity from divine entities.). Yaad rakho. Jab shakti bhrasht ho jaay, aur uske devata* kalankit; to shakti me bal nahi reheta (Those Gods -divine entities will no longer support your deeds and the SATVIK power gets reduced and destroyed because of RAJASIK & TAMASIK intentions & uses.). Satya akela ho, to bhi bhrasht shaktiyon ki apaar sena, uske saamne paraajit ho jati hai. Tune aaj tak keval devataon ko paraast kiya hai. Ek pavitra pativrata naari ke satyabal se tera saamnaa nahi hua (Acting is so perfect that we can feel Sitaji's courage, strength & confidence against Ravan in that situation). Ahankaari murkh! Tune paap vrutti se, ek baar apne papi hathon se, mera ang sparsh kiya hai. Itna hi dosh tere nash ke liye paryapt hai. Mere shoorveer aur dharmaparaayan pati ke vishaile baan nishchay hi tera samool nash kar denge.
Ravan (Ignorant, egoistic & tempting effort mostly ' DAAM): Apne rajya se nikale hue, dar dar bhatakte hue, us vanvaasi bhikshuk ki aashaa karna chhod de. Ek anjaan baalikaa ki bhaanti ek bhikhaari ka sapna mat dekh jo kabhi sach nahi hoga. Sapna dekho to Lanka ki saamraagni banne ka. Jiske saakaar hone me keval tumhare haan kehene ki der hai. Teeno lokon ki sundariyan, apne hriday me yahi sapna sanjoye baithi reheti hain, parantu tum kitni bhagyashaali ho Sita, ki trilok vijayee Ravan tumhare saamne prem ki bhiksha maangne khada hai. Jo sheesh teeno lokon me kabhi kisi ke aage nahi jhukata, wah sheesh tumhare charno me jhuka hua hai. Tumhare keval haan kehene maatra se, tum is apaar vaibhav, asankhya raakshasi sena, Lanka ki dev durlabh sampatti aur swayam Lankeshwar Ravan ke hriday ki swamini banogi.
Sita: Vaibhav, shakti, sampatti ke moh me aa kar jo stri apna pativrat dharm bhul jaay, usse adham aur koi nahi ho sakta. Mere liye wo, mere banvasi veer hi, teeno lokon ki sampatti se adhik mulyavan hain. Us mahaan purush sinh ke saamne, tum mujhe kaayar tuchchha shringaal lagte ho (Reminding the style of writing of Tulsidasji using plenty of metaphors at various places ' perfect and appropriate UPMA and ROOPAK used over here of a lion vs jackal.). Jo choron ki bhaanti aa kar, ek asahaay abalaa ko chhal se utha le gaye!!!!! Dhikkar hai tum par. Tumhare aishwarya aur vaibhav par. Tumhe janam dene wali mata par. Tumhare poorvajon par. Tumhare kul par dhikkar hai. (These are very very stunning & unbelievably crude statements made by the Godess ' even more than the earlier one regarding Shiv & Brahma ' clearly and explicitly blaming those people who themselves also are poor unfortunate and who are no way directly responsible for what has happened but for their names & bringing up effort & blood/genetic characteristics associated with and spoilt by Ravan and also Ravan that way being their destiny ' karmphal only and hence criticized in deep spiritual way I feel by the Godess in the form of an innocent woman in an innocent way. It is difficult to accept or imitate this statement in its human level to be the ideal statement to speak without innocent mind spoken by the most ideal woman in innocent manner.) Ek baar nahi hazaar baar dhikkar hai (This ending of the dialog reminds me Hanumanji's dialog with Ravan ' Mai to ye dekhne ki laalsaa se yahan chala aya ki Maharshi Pulatsya, JINKA YASH, NIRMAL CHANDRAMA KE SAMAAN HAI, UNKE KUL ME, UNKI KEERTI KO KALANKIT KARNEWALA, aisa kaun sa murkh hai, jo Shri Ram se bair karne ka saahas rakhta hai).
Ravan: (Now coming towards the use of DAND) Itna ghamand apne pativrat dharm ka (As if he has no ego or all his egos are justified)? Ham is ghamand ko aaj isi kshan tod denge. Tumhare saundarya ne apne kaam baano se hame vidirna kar diya tha, isliye SACHCHE (😃) premi ki bhaanti (According to him passion to get is true love), ham tumse prem ki bhiksha maang rahe the. Parantu tum is aadar ke yogya nahi ho (So now I withdraw my TRUE love 😃 because I didn't get what I wanted from it.). Lanka me LANKAPATI KI ICHCHHA, yadi koi SWECHCHHA (Swa + Ichchha) SE puri nahi karta (Nice back to back combinationof words chosen ' what I wish should also be the voluntary action or wish of my public), to Lankapati apne bal se swayam apni ichchha puri karna jaanta hai (Tyranny/autocracy/dictatorship system explicit & obvious). Aaj tumhe ham Lankapati ki patni banne ka saubhagya, avashya pradaan karenge. Uttho. Chalo hamaare sath. (About to catch her)
Sitaji: Savdhan papi!! Is praacheer ko paar karne ka saahas na karna. (with solidity ' grass in the hand held as a weapon ' Abhimantrit shastra ' Pativrata stri ke satitva ke bal ki diwaar)
And Ravan can't show the courage to cross that divine barrier after initially thinking about trying it. He is afraid of the curse he got from Kuber that he could die if he forcefully tried to cross the limits with a sacred woman. He leaves giving instructions to the demonesses gaurds around but not showing from outside that he is actually afraid.


*P.S. Footnote

Jab shaktiyan bhrasht ho jaay, aur uske DEVATA kalankit, to un shaktiyon me bal nahi reheta. Noteworthy here is that the word used is DEVATA and not BHAGWAN. Brahmaji or Shivji or Ganeshji or Durga ma or Ramji or any form of God when worshiped not for moksha but for some worldly desires - love not just for the sake of love - are not God for you but just the DEITIES. For Ravan, Shivji is not BHAGWAN but a DEV only for specific function or purpose because he was worshiping him not as a devotee or lover or MUMUKSHU but for bhautik manokaamnaa. Shivji was playing the role of vardaayak dev only in his case. The statement of Sitaji is in that general sense of deities I feel and not for LORD/GOD Shivji or Brahmaji. Had he asked for moksha, then Shivji could give that also because HE is also the form of supreme LORD and not just a DEVTA.
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- Lakshman's blasting for Sugreev when he forgets about his promise, and everyone else's attempts at damage control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOp-ShHrF6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96czfVhZySo

The scene is about friendship relation. It is about how a friend is supposed to remember a friend's sorrow. It is also about devotion. It is about how a devotee is supposed to keep himself away from attachment to entertainment activities. At the same time, it is also about how a good friend or devotee can always come back to the right path due to his always alert conscience even if temporarily he is out of track trapped in the illusion of the world attracted by it. It also covers beautifully the form of anger of God (Lord Sheshnag – dwait roop of Lord only) and the means to control the anger.
The start of the scene has the beauty of wisdom of Hanumanji. Lakshmanji enters Kishkindha city to punish and/or remind Sugreev for/about his supposedly forgotten promise even after the passage of entire monsoon. Hanumanji and Jambuvanji discuss about the solution of the immediate danger on hand. Here are the dialogs:
Hanuman: Lakshman ke krodh se bhoomandal kaampata hai, Kishkindha kis ginti me hai. (This reminds me the scene of SK when Hanumanji fights with Balram to destroy his ego at the will of Krishna when in the end he calls Krishna and acknowledges the power of Balram after defeating him/standing undefeated against him when Balram was about to use destroying power)
Jambuvan: Kuchh upay karo Hanumant. Kahin sidhe maharaj Sugreev hi is jwalamukhi ki lapet me na aa jaay.
Hanuman: Lakshman ke maharaj Sugreev tak pohonchne se pehele, peechhle dwar se jaa kar mai sabko savdhan karta hun. Visphot ho usse pehele, maharani Tara ko Lakshmanji ke sammukh samjhaane bujhaane shaant karne ke liye bhej deta hun. Kyun ki Lakshmanji nari par krodh nahi karenge. Bas, isi shishtaachaar me, kop agni ka prajwalit jwalamukhi dheere dheere shant ho jaayega.
(Wise damage control trick thought out by Hanumanji – this is very nice example of how we can also control the anger of people around – some might not get angry on little child so we can bring that child in front; some might similarly be able to control their anger against elders so we might bring elders in front; some might have a tendency to laugh all of a sudden from nowhere in the middle of a great anger if a related joke is told when he/she is angry; he/she might laugh at his/her own anger if he/she is a matured person otherwise if the person opposite laughs at him/her treating him/her as a child and taking the anger very lightly; - in short there can be ways of handling the anger in a smarter ways than we normally try or can imagine)
Hanumanji suggests a beautiful remedy over here, which Jambuvan also acknowledges to be a beautiful one calling Hanumanji the wisest on the earth (And this actually increases the glory of his devotion even more. Despite being the wisest among the wise, he was a completely surrendered devotee and he was unfathomable in his faith and love for Ramnam. It was because of his deep love for Ramnam, that he wasn't bothered about being befooled by any person when lost in devotion – thagna paap hai thage jana nahi – and hence he believed naturally in Kalnaymi's false tricky statements and was decieved by the trick temporarily despite being the wisest and God himself – God performing the perfect role of a devotee therefore.)
Angad then tries to pacify Lakshmanji's anger and to kill the time somewhat although he knows that he is not going to be successful in the former and is confronting a big danger if he is to continue it for too long. Lakshmanji is very clear and strict about his aim of visit and is not ready to sit even or to accept any welcoming formal procedures. He is in serious hurry and urgency to meet Sugreev only. He declares his arrival with a dangerous aggressive way making the destructive noise out of his bow. Open challange thrown and intentions declared. His tone with Angad is very authoritative and he gives his blessings to Angad authoritatively and confidently in a hurry. We can never find Lakshmanji giving AASHIRVAD to anyone else anywhere else in the entire serial as far as I can think of. This gives the indication that he is in his own – self actualization state – SHESHNAG himself fully active in him with complete knowledge of own ability in the subconscious mind (Like he said to Janak raja – agar mujhe mere guru aagyaa den to ye purana jeerna dhanush kya cheez hai, mai pure brahmand ko gend ki bhaanti uchhal kar is tarah patakun ki uske tukde tukde ho jaay) while speaking in anger.
Meanwhile, Hanumanji tries to explain Tara to make her ready to accept the responsibility. It is not clearly shown in the serial whether Tara married to Sugreev or not after Vali's death. We have to be open for either possibilities of relations between Sugreev & Tara over here. In any case, whether a wife or bhabhi, and the queen or former queen (experienced) of Kishkindha, she is supposed to perform the rescuer's role for Sugreev (and here it is implied that she is either married to him due to the rules of that society or she is kind enough to forget and forgive her husband's death.). RSji has kept it safe over here in showing Tara's relation with Sugreev post Vaali's death. It is very open ended because it was perhaps the necessary approach keeping in mind the grasping power of the present human society (This reminds me about his sentence after Gopi Vastraharan in SK that he adopts that version which seems to be most easily comprehended by JAN SAADHAARAN. This also reminds me BRC because BRC has kept many dialogs & scenes open ended & complex throughout Mahabharat leaving the interpretation of the dialog upto the viewer and thus adopted very safe approach.).
Hanuman: Is samay aapko hi sambhalana padega. Nahi to anarth ho jaayega. Lakshman ke kop ko shaant karna Sheshnag ko vash me karnewali baat hai. Is samay Kishkindha ke kalyan ka sabse adhik aap par uttardaayitva hai (the one who is actually having that responsibility the most is in trouble himself right now and is unaware about the danger due to his lost mind in entertainment activities - and what reason is told by Hanumanji for this is given ahead) kyun ki sara vaanar saamrajya maharaj Sugreev se adhik, aap hi ke vivek par vishwas karta hai.
(This sentence gives us the hint or indication about the intellectual level or impatience of Sugreev which is seen on the surface many times like when he gets angry on Ram after first war with Vaali; when he wants to leave the responsibility of kingdom after Vaali's death in smashaan vairaagya; when he jumps to fight with Ravan on the balcony; when he jumps to hit Kumbhakarna on his feet; when he gets excited after Nagpash & Barchhi; when he rushes to get Mritsanjeevani.)
Maharani Tara, is samay maharaj ki raksha kijiye (If we presume that Tara has not become the wife of Sugreev and only widow of Vaali, then we are going to see a real greatness of character of her now because of what is expected from her by the situation).
On the other hand, Sugreev is informed by a servant about the arrival of Lakshmanji and Lakshmanji's anger. He had already heard the sound of the bow. He is very frightened and guilty conscious and is worried about how to face and what to tell Lakshmanji.
First, Tara comes in front of Lakshmanji and talks very sweetly and gently respectgiving words. Lakshmanji also returns the respect and formality required with down to earth gesture. And to a great surprise of the viewer, upon the request of Tara, he accepts to enter the internal room (which he was refusing earlier to Angad).😃😃 Hanumanji's trick starts working immediately. But here also, he is not ready to sit or accept any welcoming formalities.
Lakshman (Very alert against smart tactics): Ham apne pujyavar bhaiya Shri Ramchandraji ke doot ban kar aaye hain. Ham maharaj Sugreev se isi samay milna chaahte hain (Role performed is of the messanger but the behavioural tone is consistently of his own nature rather than of Shri Ram's nature; so we can judge here that he got the implied freedom from Shri Ram to express his own personal disappointment and dissatisfaction too keeping it under control of wisdom.).
Tara (Very sweetly and smartly): Avashya. Parantu pad ki thakaan utaariye. Shaant chitta ho jaaie. Hanuman, Sugreev, sabhi aapki seva me upasthit ho jaayenge (She correctly prepared him mentally about the arrival of people in the right order. 😊).
(Then she orders for the water to wash the feet of Lakshmanji).
Lakshman: Is AADAMBAR ki koi aavashyakta nahi. Jis vinamra chaturaai se aap hame behelaane ka prayaas kar rahi hain, ham uski saraahanaa karte hain. Parantu ham maharaj Sugreev se milne me ek pal ki bhi deri karenge to apne poojyapaad bhaiya Shri Ramchandra ki aagyaa ka ullanghan karne ke aparaadhi honge. (Lakshman's tone with a lady is different from men & very very soft and respectful but the words are still very firm and he can't be trapped in the tricky formalities and his aim is constantly there in his mind. He explicitly calls the efforts of Tara & others to be a show off and a trick. He doesn't want to express his suspicion on Sugreev much in front of respectable Tara. He also doesn't want to argue with her and hence asks for the presence of Sugreev straightly. He doubts whether Sugreev has any intention to come.)
Hanuman (just arrives & denies Lakshmanji's doubt): Maharaj Sugreev aapke aparaadhi hain. Aapse lajjit bhi hain. Parantu we, aapke darshan ke abhilaashi bhi hain. Is samay we aapki pratiksha kar rahe hain. Chaliye padhaariye. Aaiye.
(And Sugreev comes in front and greets Lakshmanji and Lakshmanji also returns the same in formality. Still firm about not sitting and straightaway comes to the point addressing Hanumanji.)
Lakshman: Hanumanji. Na ham aasan grahan karne aaye hain aur na hi vishram karne aaye hain. Ham to maharaj Sugreev ko unke vachan bhang karne ki yaad dilane aaye hain. Apna swarth siddha karnewale krutaghna mitradrohi ke liye Brahmaji ne kaha hai, ""gOghnE chaiva surApE cha chorE bhagnavratE tathA; nishkritir vihitA sadbhi: kritaghnE nAsti nishkriti:". Gauhatyare, sura paan karnewale, chor aur vrat bhang karnewalon ke liye, satpurushon ne praayashchitta ka vidhaan kiya hai. Kintu krutaghna ke uddhar ka aur koi upaay nahi. Uska koi praayashthitta bhi nahi. Mithyavaadi aur swarthi maharaj Sugreev!! Shri Ram Prabhu ke parakram ke prataap se, aapke saare manorath siddha ho gaye. Rajvaibhav aur stri sukh sab kuchh pa kar, aap bhog vilaas me lipt ho gaye hain. Kya aap samajhte hain, aapki sahaayataa par ham nirbhar hain? Ye na bhuliye vaanar raj, ki jo amogh baan pruthvi ke sabse mahabali parakrami Baali ko surpur bhej sakta tha, wo baan Shri Ramchandra ke tunil me ab bhi hai. Aur jis marg se Baali parlok gaya hai, wo marg aaj bhi bandh nahi hua.
(Lakshmanji calls ungratefulness to be unamendable sin and reminds Sugreev about Shri Ram's single handed supreme abilities – he threatens indirectly Sugreev with such extreme words and about such extreme action that the dialog seems to be the words of Lakshmanji himself rather than Ramji's message, but actually Ramji did give exactly such message to be given in the nature of warning alarm to a forgetful person in his promise/vow. At the same time, he maintains great patience in telling those words sensing the situation as Ramji instructed him to keep in mind.)
(Then Tara intervenes and tries to calm down Lakshmanji saying that what harsh & extreme words Lakshmanji was using didn't suit to him irrespective of the kind of excitement he was in. She stresses on a few points – the fact that Sugreev is friend, the fact that Sugreev is a king, the fact that Lakshmanji is a messenger of a noble man and himself also being noble, the fact that Lakshmanji is among the wise men on the earth. Lakshmanji asks in return whether what Sugreev did was proper and suitable???? The point here he is making is that he knows that what he is doing is harsh MANNER and unsuitable to his status or dignity but he is doing it deliberately to raise this very point to make the people on the other side realize what they deserved to hear and also the question counters Tara's point in a sense that irrespective of the suitability of Lakshman's earlier sentence, the other party had no right to say what Tara said or the guilty party's advocate was not at the deserving position to adjudicate the appropriateness of words used by the alledging party.)
Hanumanji (Replying Lakshmanji by intervening): Nahi. Uchit nahi. Sarvatha anuchit hai taat. Isme sandeh nahi. Parantu vaanarraj Sugreev, na krutaghna hain, na shath hain; aur na hi mithyavaadi hain. Inhone Shri Ram ke dwara kiye gaye upkaar ko bhulaya bhi nahi. Aur na mitrata ke vachan ko bhang kiya hai. Mahabaho! Sugreevji ne ghor dukh uthaye the. Isiliye, rajya vaibhav ke vilaas me, INHE SAMAY KA GYAAN NAHI RAHA. Itna aparaadh avashya hua hai. YATHARTHVAAD KO JAAN KAR HI KRODH KARNA CHAAHIYE (This last sentence of this dialog was exactly the instruction of Ramji while sending Lakshmanji with openness of mind to either possibilities.).
(This is the masterpiece of dialog – the most important part in the entire scene I think. The most effective and the most worthy to be analysed in its various dimensions. Here, it is very necessary to empathize Hanumanji's situation. He is Ramji's devotee and Sugreev's servant/companion. He would be the one most concerned about the entire situation from both the sides (Sugreev and Lakshman both were concerned only from their respective sides) and hence neutral party and also would not wish the situation to arise in which he has to confront the dilemma of choosing just one out of his two duties – duty as a longtime servant of his current king and duty as a eternal devotee having recognized the divine relation in a divine way from Lord Surya. The person most interested in friendship of Ram-Sugreev. The person most concerned about Sugreev's dharma and safety being knowledgeable of dharma and Lakshmanj's ability. The person most concerned about sense of urgency to find Sitaji being the greatest of devotees of Ramji. Concern of Sugreev's welfare to be the priority – aapatti kaale maryada na asti – he seems to have assumed the implied authority over here to speak as an agent of Sugreev even in his presence, knowing fully well about Sugreev's relative level of wisdom 😊 and doesn't want to take chances it shows. He demonstrates a beautiful handling of human psychology over here. He first of all admits the fault of his master on his behalf authoritatively and catches the interest of Lakshmanji to listen. At the same time, his sentence is not that lengthy. Initiation looks in line with Tara but he doesn't stick to that admission of guilt for too long to show that he is trying to befool Lakshmanji or moving him round confusing. He doesn't try to look oversmart and comes to his advocating point quickly. He makes fine distinction by drawing a very thin line between FORGETTING a duty/grace/promise and DELAYING it mistakingly/unintensionally due to LACK OF SENSE OF TIME PASSED. It often happens that we are conscious and determined about our duties but for a change or leisure, when we temporarily switch to some entertainment mode and get lost in it, while we are involved in it, we don't realize how much time we have lost – studies for a student can be taken to be the closest & easiest practical example. Time passes in entertainment activities quicker than we want & realize. Hanumanji also gives further justification about the factual scenario in which the mistake took place. The history of many of years of miseries and hardship. This factor contributed very significantly and adversely to Sugreev's now spoilt and doubtful image in Lakshmanji's mind. And that mistake even is also acknowledged by Hanumanji to be a fault or crime. It might technically be a small mistake but the outcomes could have been very heavy and irrepairable. Ignorance of time passed is not a big mistake in routine life but it becomes big in the path of your commitment to anyone within deadline. It becomes big mistake in the path of devotion. Waste of time. Waste of births. This indicates how critical & worthy the rest or leisure are to be kept away in the path of devotion – sevak ko vishram ka avakaash nahi hota. It showed Sugreev's lack of compassion with friend's sorrows. Lack of feeling of the same sorrow. Lack of continuous feeling of devotion by a devotee every second. Disturbance of mind from the involvement in God. Yog se bhatak jana. Chanchalam hi manah Krushn, pramathi balavad drudham.)
(Tara then worriedly adds to Hanumanji's effort trying to give assurance to Lakshmanji about Sugreev's sense of urgency and alertness – she says "Maharaj Sugreev Shri Ram Prabhu ka kaarya karne ke liye PURI tarah se SATARK aur SACHESHT hain" – doesn't seem to be the honest, genuine & balanced/neutral justification like Hanumanji over here but her tone, timing & position adds to the effect. The literal sentence actually is inconsistent with Hanumanji's point because ignorance of time passed and lack of alertness/alarm set was the precise point of admission by Hanumanji so using the word SATARK here was not proper I think and the second word is explained further in the next dialog which is also inconsistent with the fact that he was lost in entertainment. "Uske liye dhan-dhaanya, Kishkindha ka rajya, apna sara parivar chhodne ke liye, wo ek pal ke liye bhi vilamb nahi karenge" – this sentence is a truth NOW – not a fraction element of false claim or false assurance or false defense are seen.
Hanumanji then gives the most important & required information to Lakshmanji that before his arrival, Sugreev had already sent Nal & Nil to various places to gather all the types of monkeys and bears in Kishkindha – explanation of the word SACHESHT. It can't exactly be judged whether Hanumanji, to control the damage, out of his greatness, gives the credit to Sugreev of his own job at self initiative without specific order of Sugreev but only the generalized authority as an agent – and the credit of agent's actions can duly & rightly go to principal without specific command – ; or Sugreev in between, in the middle of his routine amusements during monsoon only, had done that action due to his consciousness about the task but without the knowledge of time passed only just recently. He makes Lakshmanji aware about the point that they were about to come to meet Shri Ram and he arrived first but slightly just. Familiar sad soft beautiful background music giving us the feeling of Lakshman's turned heart which is gradually turning more towards guilty consciousness of own behaviour rather than middle place of balance. Bhaavuk hriday. Nature of acting first and then thinking yet again coming on the surface. Bhaavna par gyaan ka ankoosh ab ana. Though he actually demonstrated here very very well as against his doubting on Bharat in Chitrakoot or Jatayu in Panchvati. But still familiar repenting reaction of Lakshmanji though this time with less intensity just because of the patience & openmindedness lent by Ramji he held over. With great humbleness, he begs for forgiveness of Sugreev for his anger and harsh words.
Now here for the first time, Sugreev opens his mouth with all courage (Initially he just greeted Lakshman and replied nothing about the topic). 😃 And what a right time it is. 'Mission control' already accomplished. And that mission even started without his initiative & knowledge. Sugreev despite being a king, returns words with equal humbleness saying that Lakshmanji had all the rights to use those harsh words to him and Vaanarkul was always obliged to Raghukul. Thus far, he demonstrated wisdom actually by keeping silence. He knows his limitations. He knows and trusts completely the wisdom and maturity of Hanumanji & Tara and surrenders himself completely to his companion well wishers. He showed very apt strategy not to interfere at all in their decision making authority in the words selection. Brilliant use of intellect & available human resources, trust & surrendership to agent in the crisis. Only that much simple use of intellect proved to be enough having regard to his already good fortune to have such ministers as was already pointed out by Ramji in his very first meeting.)
Hanumanji: Yadi Lakshmanbhaiya ki bhanti, Shri Ram Prabhu bhi yahi samajhte hain, ki ham apne kartavya ko bhool gaye hain, to achchha nahi hoga. Isliye maharaj, aapko Shri Ram ke paas ja kar swayam aashwaasan dena hoga. (Hanumanji's personal feeling coming out here.)
(Sugreev reaches where Ramji is with total surrendership, innocence, guilty consciousness & love. He begs apology and touches feet as if he is actually meeting his God and not friend of same status. He didn't acknowledge his sin/mistake in front of Lakshmanji so openly as he must have thought more appropriately to be openly admitting the guilt only in front of ocean of mercy. Throughout he has used the word PRABHU with total knowledge. Shri Ram immediately embraces him. The dialog from both Sugreev and Ramji are beautiful over here, but I am not quoting them now as the essence is covered already in the analysis part of the actual scene to be commented upon in the assignment. The background music and Shyam Sundar Kaalaani's acting and Sugreev's childlike innocence are heart touching over here. Extremely touchy. And it reminds us Vaali's innocence towards the end when he touches Ram's feet as the actor is same. Ramji summarizes the entire incident saying that friendship is about trust & also gives the conscience of sincere but devotee with side tracked mind the metaphor of a man sleeping on a branch of a tree for whom even a slightest of wind is enough to make him awake.)
If we try to think further deep in the entire incident, monkey armies from around the world actually arrived at the same time and hence we can really conclude that efforts were already started before but Sugreev just didn't bother to come to meet Shri Ram during the four month period. Or it just didn't click to him. Amazing point is that even Hanumanji also never tried to be in the company of Ramji only since he had this great opportunity after many years of longing. But this point itself is the evidence of the fact that he, on behalf of Sugreev, was always active throughout for Ramji's work along with the duty of restructuring/reorganizing of Kishkindha and reorganizing ape public and only that can be the fact and the reason. Without any slightest of doubt.
And there is also one more very important spiritual lesson from this scene. We say that God can never punish us because of the reason that we don't devote to him. If he punishes us, then he is not God. This has to be true. But even if God can't be angry with us for not devoting to him, Lord Sheshnag (Dwait roop) can be angry on non devotees and unfaithful people. Anger is also the entity, which is the part of the creation of God or part of the nature. And hence if that anger (Anger of Narsinha, Anger of Parshuram, Anger of Viratswaroop, Anger of Taandav nritya, Anger of third eye, Anger of Mahakali) of God which is not found in his sagun swaroop for devotees incarnated in Treta yug end, that is seen in Lord Sheshnag. So we can say that Ram Lakshman as a whole is a dwait avataar of God. Same thing can be said for Ram-Sita (Dwait – Ardhanaarishwar) and same thing can be said for Ram-Hanuman (Dwait – Bhakt aur Bhagwan).
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Hey Guys,

My friend, Mehwish, made these avis upon my request....feel free to use.😃
Aren't they beautiful?😍 Love them sooooo much! By mistake, I gave her two similar timings so two of the avis are the same, but I posted the right timing in her shop now and she said she'd do that one again.😳

- Janu
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Now, I have a small request for all of you.😳 Since I want to update our Birthday Section with the birthdays of our CC Members, please fill out this little form whenever you find time....it's kind of like a mini-slambook for this CC.😉😃

Chat Club Slambook:
1. How did you find/come to know about this CC? You pretty much screamed in my ear to join when you made it 😆
2. In which FC or CC did you join our snug little family? Hmm...I think I may have joined in the first one, though I had much too many absent marks. 😆
3. When is your birthday? (If you prefer to keep this private, no problem, you may do so.😊) Sept 20
4. When did you join IF? And why? Which was the first ever forum you posted in? Remember the thread? Joined in Sept of 2008, I believe. I joined because Janu asked me to, as she found the website. The first forum I ever joined was the NDTV Ramayan Imagine forum to defend the old Ramayan against the squabbles there 🤣 Now I'm like best friends with all the people I fought with. 🤣
5. Who is your favorite actor from Ramayan and Shri Krishna (please pick only one from both)?
Ramayan - Sunil Lahri but Dara Singh comes SO so close.
Shri Krishna - Sunil Pandey.
Both Sunils 😆
6. Favorite Actress (again, please pick only one)?
Ramayan - Aparajitha
Shri Krishna - Paulommi Mukherjee
6. What are your favorite mythos/historical shows from the last five years or so?
Jai Shri Krishna, and up to an small extent, NDTV Ramayan. I also like Mahima Shani Dev ki, Prithviraj Chauhan, and Jhansi Ki Rani...
7. What are your favorite shows in general (both Indian and Western)?
Hmm...I like Wizards of Waverly Place in Western, and somewhat Victorious. I watch Jonas LA sometimes (lol). Actually American shows kind of bore me 😆 I tried watching Vampire Diaries, but..eh :S
In Indian serials, I only like Tere Liye as of now. Used to love Kish Desh. Used to like Geet, but now I can't stand it (sorry to fans 😳😆). I watch a few Telugu TV shows, but in general, I'm more of a movie person. 😃
8. What are your favorite movies in general (both Indian and Western)? Again, don't watch too many Western movies. I just realized that! I love all the HP movies, though the books are much closer to my heart. Can't wait for HP and the Deathly Hallows part 1 & 2.
Indian, oh my, too many (: In Hindi, I love Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi, KKKG, Jodha Akbar, Lagaan, Tare Zameen Par, and a few old Hindi movies I can't remember the titles of. Not too much a fan of 3 Idiots. It's pretty much me against the world in that aspect 😆 Anyways, I can't watch an Indian movie that's not clean...like no kissing and stuff. Anything else I can bear 😆
In Telugu movies, though only Janu will understand me here😆, I love Chatrapati, Pournami, Khaleja, Okkadu, Arjun, Murari, Athadu, Brindavanam, Magadheera, Maryada Ramanna, Chandramukhi, and loads more.
9. What are some of your favorite books?
I love The Help by Kathryn Stockett. That was a very inspirational and sad, yet happy book. I would recommend to anyone of any age. I also love most of Sarah Dessen's books, my favorites being Along with The Ride and Lock & Key. Recently, I got hooked to the Bayern series by Shannon Hale. (kiddish, I know, but they're cute. 😆)
Love some of Mary Higgins Clark's mysteries and of course all the Harry Potter books. They are just amazing.
And Ramayan by Valmiki and Mahabharat. Can't forget my ultimate favorites
10. What is one piece of advice you would like to share with the rest of us in the CC, which you think is one of the most valuable life lessons?
I'm younger than most people in this CC, so forgive me if I say something wrong. These are a few life lessons my father (and Janu's father of course) taught me (and her, but you guys get the point.)
Time is precious.
If you loan someone money, give it with all your heart and soul because it's never coming back. 😆
When you find happiness, keep it inside of you. When times are hard, let it out of you. 😃
It's never how many times you fall but how many times you get back up.
Don't blame God for putting thorns on roses...thank him for making roses grow among the thorns.
Even reason and science have faith, because you have to believe in it.
And just that if you really believe you can do something, you can and will. It's when you start doubting yourself that you slip.
I feel like a motivational speaker :p lolz. This was fun, thanks! 🤗
Thanks a lot guys!🤗 And please do take a chance to answer these whenever you find time.😳
Love,
Janu

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Thanks for finally answering the slambook questions, Aish!😡😆 Agree with you on almost all of them, esp the advice. I really love all of the advice answers everyone listed.👏👏👏 And yeah, JSK, AS Ramayan, and Mahima Shani Dev Ki are def the best mythos of today, and I also like Jhansi Ki Rani though I've seen only about 2-3 epis. You forgot to list Meera though.😛 Lols, it seems as if Sunil and Dara Singh are neck to neck for fav actor, gotta see who wins.😉😆 And I see that Aparajitha is also another fav of this CC, really love her acting a lot. She brought Mandodari to life.👏 And yeah, agree with you about the books and movies, though I haven't read some of the books you listed.

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Anyhow, I would like to share some avis with you guys that my friend Natasha (fanofprem) made me. They are the same scenes I requested from Dharti some time back, I forgot that I must have posted the same req in Natasha's shop too.😳 Feel Free to Use!
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Horizantally


-Janu
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thanks for the quote deepika








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Just dropping by to post these sigs..😳

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