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MagadhSundari thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
I'm really sorry for all my absence guys, I've been really really busy... will still be all week and probably through the first two weeks of July, gotta help dad at work... so plzzz bear with me, I'll def try to get caught up on replies and dotw content some night this week... and Deeps said she's also going to be around less for the next few days cuz of a family wedding.... We'll all catch up soon though, then we'll party harder than ever 😆

Until then, here's your request Lali - the Lakshman Rekha sig. I picked a line from the song we hear when he's helplessly watching her go into the forest during Uttar Kand, the one that means "how can a son possibly turn away from his mother"... thought it fit because he's forced to do the same thing here 😭

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Posted: 15 years ago
And one more sig I made a few nights ago - from the Akashwani scene in SK, with the line Vasuji says - "don't forget that she's my wife, protecting her is my duty, and I will fulfill this duty even if it costs me my life" 😍


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Posted: 15 years ago
Woooooooooooooooooooooow!!!!!! OMG guys, such mindblowing sigs!!!!
Gunia, your SiyaRam Vivah sig is just sooooooooooooooooooooooo lovely beyond words, I snagged it immediately this morning as you can see!😛 LOVE it sooooooooooooooo much! Esp the coloring and textures, superb work!👏 Your work is soooooooooo professional and lovely these days!😃
Lola,
What can I say about the two sigs you just posted? Every adjective I can possibly use will not be enough!😍😍😍😍😍😍😍 Just love both sooooooooooooooooooooo much that I'm going to snag them into my slideshow as soon as I return from an errand I have to run right now. LOVE them! The textures, text, effects, brushes, everything is just sooooooooooooo fabulous and lovely that I cannot possibly think of what else to say to convey how much I love them!😳⭐️ Esp my request, I LOVE it soooooooooo much that I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over again with the adjectives. The text you chose is perfect.👏 And the VD sig is just...wow!😍 Like I said, am def snagging both as soon as I return home. Thanks sooooooooooo much for making them!
Btw, check your shop.😉😆
Sorry for such short comments guys, but I'm in a hurry though I couldn't resist myself from commenting at your gorgeous work. Will give you better comments once I return.😳
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Posted: 15 years ago
Hey Lola,
Do you want any sigs added to your slideshow? As you know, starting from tomorrow, I'll be a bit inactive from IF and will only log on for an hour or so everyday, possibly less, so I want to get all my IF duties done today or tomorrow morning if possible. If you want any sigs added, please give me the links and I'll try to get it done before I go to sleep.😊
Btw, I posted a pic update in the BRC CC, as well as some sigs...please do check them out! That CC hasn't been active all yesterday or today.😭
Hoping to hear from ya soon!
-Janu
MagadhSundari thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
Thanks a ton for liking your req and the other sig first of all, hoped you would... you da best 🤗 As for slideshow additions, I mentioned a few in my post at your shop but I'll send you a pm full of links in a bit... still trying to resolve the issues w/ my dvd drive so I can share something with youuu 😉 but one that I'm sure I won't find the links for but I really want is that 1st Mallu one you're using, with 2 RadheShyam pics from Prem Jagat partially desaturated... so, though it won't be in the list, to stick it in as well plz 😳 And did you get that pm from the other day btw?
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Posted: 15 years ago
@ Anku - awww I'm sure the exams went fine hun, don't sweat it... and yayyy your contribution to the dotw is eagerly looked fwd to 😉 Same with the Sitaji info, but no worries we'll love it whenever it comes... if I've been so lazy so long you also get to do the same 😉 glad you liked the sigs, really appreciate it... you should give it a shot too, I'll talk you through pixlr... it's really fun!! aur bataao, ko haal-chaal?

@ Janu - thx for the ideas for the next SK pic updt, from now on those will be much easier to do so... coming soon and dude you should post my req over here too, it came out really really beautiful, everyone will love it!!! mentioned a couple slideshow additions at the shop too btw. And sooooooo glad you liked the SiyaRam virah sig hun, awwww what a sweet comment... really made me feel awesome ☺️
☺️☺️☺️☺️ Lolz you're looooonggg slideshow is a treat for all of us btw, even I've been looking and looking at it instead of bothering with posts lately 😆 Great choices 👏 Will def get to the mb cc tomorrow, right now I wanna repost all the dotw stuff here and then tackle that one. Looking forward to you doing the same 😉

@ Gunu - glad you liked the SK vhs cover pic and Lakshman Rekha updt behna, siggie it na so I can use 😳 And also so glad you liked the SiyaRam virah sig, made my day 🤗 Totally agree with what you said about sad sigs, they really do affect us cuz the scenes were so well done... but then what better way to recognize the sacrifices of these great characters and remind ourselves that our problems will never be as big as theirs, so if they never complained, we have no right to either... so much to be grateful for instead!!! And the new sigs you're making are really out of this world, LOVE the Sita Maa in Uttar Kand sig soooooo much you have no idea... it's soooo well arranged, and the effects are gorgeous!!! And the new SiyaRam vivah one... wowwwwwwwwziiiieeeessss it's beautiful 😍 The way you included all four dulhans is so unique, I love and will def use it soon!!!

@ Deeps - like I said hun, the VD sig turned out beyond words beautiful... perfect brushes, and perfect shading... the way it's part light, part dark really brings out that tragic mood so well, and choice of text is lajawaab... Chitthi na koi sandes is one of my FAV sad songs though I don't like Jagjit Singh in general, and it matches the pics sooooo perfectly 😭 Overall love everything about it, can't wait to see more like it 👏👏👏👏👏 Guru-Debi Ramayan wedding sig is also really really beautiful, so dreamy and romantic 😍

@ Aish - thanks a ton for liking the Vasudev-Krishna father's day sig hun, sooo sweet of you 🤗 Btw your SK reunion sig still isn't here!!!

@ Sharona - all the mytho sigs are brilliant hun, LOVE the SiyaRam wedding one the most... keep making, you're amazing at these 👏👏👏👏👏
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Hi guys!!! Over the next couple of posts, I'm going to repost all of the current DOTW contents from the previous CC so we can remember what's been discussed and have some good back-n-forth on what's there and enjoy new insights from each other... Lali, can you plz change the pg number we have for it in this CC's ToC to this page, 25 or whatev, so everyone can see where we left off? Thx!!

Here it goes guys, plz contribute!

Originally posted by: lola610

🥳🥳🥳🥳2nd DOTW🥳🥳🥳🥳

Thanks a bazillion for participating in the last one guys, it was enlightening and inspiring - you're all brilliant 👏 This time, the topic is really broad, so hopefully it'll last us a while. If possible, everyone should at least address it once within the next two pages so it doesn't get too spread out to follow. Enjoy!

Using the following scenes from RS's mythos as a point of departure, let's discuss the roles of men and women, and more specifically, husbands and wives as idealized (or discouraged) in Hindu culture at that time. How did the duties and expectations of each one differ, if at all? Did they ever come into conflict with any other duties for any particular character, and why? And most importantly, what lessons can we take from them and apply to modern times regarding social order, familial responsibilities, and their relationship to spiritual advancement?

The discussion can include but certainly isn't limited to the following scenes:

Shri Ram's first night speech and vow of monogamy 😍 (8:25)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOFkAphUGaA

Mata Sunayana's advice on being a good wife (starts at 5:10):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWDhl8Rxaf8
Maharaj Ugrasen's advice on being a good husband (4:35)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYlyi8tMi9A
Mandodari explains and exemplifies friend and minister aspect of wife's duties (5 minutes in, but watch all of it! It's brilliant!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2puFPnJavYU

Sita's response to Ram's attempt to send her home from Sumant, pre-Bharat Milaap (right from start)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgZU4q9Xl14
Devi Anusuya's speech for Sita (25 seconds in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TJHqCF4ZCE
Bharat and Mandavi discuss duties after Bharat Milaap (4 minutes in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHu4vYJVfks

Sunayana Maa's post-Bharat Milaap advice, esp listen on how she asks them to respect Kaikeyi and lead their husbands on the right path (3:20)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU-4cVz8l4E
Ram takes to a bed of grass after Sita's exile (4 minutes in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV2d0jX1Tt8
Sulochana demonstrate's wife's duty to be encouraging and courageous (right from start)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahe0mlynYKs
Sita serving Ram (45 seconds in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUCemYJ-LGE
Vasu serving Devaki (around 2:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9dF5PbIIVc
Sita's Pativrata self-defense (6 minutes in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmq_QHhzXWw
Vasu upholds husband's duty after Akashwani (4:50)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RfaDuuJmAc
Continuation of above, Vasu affirms equality of husband and wife (1:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jsh7vimT3U
Praja realizes Ram's respect for Sita (and that they should replicate with their wives) after golden statue decision is announced (7:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t-_p8qYM0A
Continuation of above, a certain family interprets this statue decision as Ram's empowerment of women in general (right from start)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot7HCcp5lPy


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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Debipriya



2nd Discussion of the Week

Very Nice and BROAD topic indeed👍🏼! Yes, we have the scope to discuss the role of Men-Women in society, their Inter-Personal relationship as well as how they contribute to Spiritual journey of the partner- everything can be discussed under this topic.



So, am I the first one to post 😳 ? Honestly I don't have many points right now. Just trying to write about the scenes which have Touched 😍 me in various ways'


I love to watch all the scenes of Sunayana Devi. The way she tells Sita about the Duties of a Wife, I think Shri Krishna also have a scene like this where Devaki's mother advices her about the same.




Where Sunayana Devi advices Urmila-Mandavi-Shrutakeerti about staying in Ayodhya and taking care of the elders as that is the primary duty of them at that stage and Most Importantly that she will welcome them all in Mithila only after the problems of Ayodhya are sorted out (i.e.-after the homecoming of Ram-Sita-Lakshman)'Such a Great Lesson from a mother⭐️⭐️'




I loved the Mata Anusuya-Sita meeting very much'The whole scene teaches us how an Ideal Wife should Behave. Today, the world has changed a lot and we feel that the Morals/Ideals represented by these chacters are TOO HIGH (Members, please forgive me😳 for saying this, but that is my opinion, as I have already mentioned in my introductory posts in CC2😊). But now I feel that those Ideals should be there for us to follow, otherwise there will be no parametre to measure how we are doing in our personal lives, those Ideals should be there for us to compare-learn and improve ourselves whenever we can.




We have discussed a lot about Raavan-Mandodari in our Orkut Ramayan Community⭐️ 'Wife has so many roles to perform and Mandodari was a perfect wife'It is really sad that her endeavours could not change the fate of Raavan, but indeed that scene is just TOO GOOD 👍🏼!




We have also discussed about the Bharat-Maandavi meeting at Nandigram(in prev posts with Sis Lola in CC2 or CC3 ' I don't remember exactly). There we find that Maandavi's duty as a wife(serving her husband) is in conflict with the duty Bharat assigns her(to look after Kaikeyi).




Now one of my favourite scene is when Shri Ram decides to sleep on bed of grass after Sita's exile' I was filled with Respect for Lord Ram watching that scene. And Ram explains to Lakshman that Without the wife a husband must not enjoy any pleasures of life'Such High Ideal 😍'Just motivates us all to behave in the proper way, to value the sacrifice the other person is making. The LOVE shared by Ram-Sita are just Heavenly😍!




Yes, Vasudev upholding the duties of a Husband after the Akaashvani is another Powerful scene. I also loved that scene, along with the High Ideals, the Sincerity in the relationship of Vasudev and Devaki is also evident here.


Another scene which I remember quite well is the scene where Lakshman and Urmila meet for the last time before Lakshman going to Vanvaas. There also Lakshman gives priority to his duty as a brother(serving elder brother) in comparison to his duty as husband(to look after his wife).



I feel I have moved a bit from the original topic of discussion, but I have this problem of not been able to apply those Ideals in our existence in this Kalyug😭. So just tried to do that [i.e.-connecting Treta and Dwapar yug concepts with this(our😕 ) world] here in my post😆😆.


That is all I have to say in the beginning of the discussion. Very sketchy indeed, just touching on the dialogues mentioned by Lola (and left some scenes which I don't remember correctly😳, will definitely watch and comment on them soon). Really interested to read the views of all the members regarding all those scenes. Will catch up with all of you as the discussion progresses in future.




@ Lola,
Excellent way of making it easier for the members to go though all the scenes, you have taken Sooo... Much pain😊 in arranging the Topics and mentioning the Youtube links with all of them'Great Work Dear 👏 👏 !


Jai Shri Krishna. Jai Shri Ram.



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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: arun-deeps

Woooooooooooooooow Lolzies really great topic of discussion n again very nice scenes U have chose for discussion!

Yeah lets start d very frst point of d discussion of d week i.e."Shri Ram's first night speech and vow of monogamy "

Wen Seetaji says dat her mother said to her dat " Ab aap hi mere parmeshwar hain" (frm now Ur husband is Ur God)....Ramji replies to dis dat U have heard Ur mother's percept...will U hear mine? Seetaji says that command me I m Ur servant....then Ramji's reply to dis is wat an ideal husband should say....Husband-wife's relation is not dat of a Lord n a servant...if we say dis, we r making dis very pure relation as a big burden of life. Ramji commands dat "Don't be my servant". He enumerates d qualities of an ideal wife....who is not only a wife bt a better half of her husband, bt is his friend, his companion who stands not behind bt beside her husband in d journey of life. He tells dat an ideal wife helps her husband in "acche karma" good deeds n stop him if she finds him going to d wrong side! But if we talk of today, this kind of respect?.has become an imaginative concept?.can we imagine a husband sacrificing all d luxuries of life?.just because his wife is not enjoying dem? Today, lust n greed is everything n for d sake of satisfying d same a couple does not care to maintain d ideal!

When a husband returns from his job he does not speak two words of luv to his wife n starts ordering her-"Bring me tea", "Bring me water". If he is indulged in some immoral activity, and his wife (if she is a good wife) tells him that he is doing wrong?.then he does not hesitate to loose hand on her. This means if U stop me frm doing wat I want, U'll have to suffer for it. So poor has become the mentality?.which has made the pure wedding band near to the heavy chains of prison!

It is not only d husbands who r d culprits in this regard?there r some so called 'ideal wives who just pretend to be ideal n they themselves want their husband to adopt some shortcut to success or?.some other way to become rich!

As far as polygamy is concerned....it was not treated as an evil....bt was like a tradition....also, d husbands were equally sufficient to carry out their responsibilities well! Bt d fear of 'Sauten' (Duniya ki koi bhi naari saut ....eg.wat Manthara filled to Kaikeiyi mata) was there among the ladies. Bt Siya-Ram r above all such worldly things...Ram luvs her Seeta so much that he can't even think of another wife...(eg.How bad he feels, wen he comes to know dat his subjects are planning for his second marriage....so that he gets a wife, who will sit beside him in Ashwamedh Yagya)
They only remember of spiritualism wen they grow old?n r knocked out by their son n daughter-in-laws?.because wat U sow?..returns to U?..

According to me, that feel, that luv n that care, n above all that respect for each other has been lost. The meaning of Ram-Siya ki jodi has merely confined to a good-looking couple?.today?..bt d true beauty resides in understanding one another n uplifting each-other in d field of morality, spirituality and humanity!

Guys! Wat I felt I wrote??hope U'll like it?.n if U find any fault in d words or action of Ur lill sis?then please forgive me?regarding me as Ur lill sis!

Will def post comment on d next topics evary day! One day one topic?😳Hope that's fine?😲

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Originally posted by: lola610

@ Gunia - DOTW ka kya kahoon... kuch kehne ke liye bacha hi nahin 👏 And millions more taalis for your admirable analysis! Every single point you made is a brilliant observation, and your connections with today's society are spot-on perfect. One that I found particularly outstanding was what you said about wives encouraging husbands to get involved in shortcut moneymaking schemes that are often illegal and/or immoral - this is unfortunately so true, and so goes against what Shri Ram says in that scene. Such a sacred relationship is best put to use when the two steer each other away from evil deeds and towards good ones, as Ramji says and in another scene I mentioned - the Mandodari one that comes right after Angad warns Ravan and leaves. She also says in that scene that your wife is your best friend, and in that capacity I'm trying to help you do what's right and keep you from destruction. Not only does the opposite happen in modern times, but those of you who are catching the Sudama epis of SK on Star Utsav nowadays are probably seeing/already saw Sudama's wife do the contrary to a lesser degree. When she sends him to falsely praise that raja so they can finally feed their children, no matter how harmless her intentions are, she is steering him away from his dharm - the lies and hypocrisy are not part of his nature and she should be thrilled about that, but instead she forces him to engage in them for material gain. I honestly cannot say what I would do if I was put in that situation, but from our comfy outsider perspective it is clearly not in line with what Ramji says in that dialogue. Another observable occurrence of this I can think of is in Sanjeev Kumar's early film Dastak - tragic, well-written story of a newlywed couple who moves into a red-light district and gets tempted by the material gains it leads to. So, this particular husband-wife duty that you described so perfectly and related so well with conditions in the modern world - that they must keep each other on the right path and away from sins, no matter how small - is, I think, one of the most important lessons to be taken from Ramji's dialogues in that scene. Bravo, behna 🤗 Simply can't wait to get your analysis of the all other scenes, I'll be anxiously looking forward to checking IF each day to see what you've written about each one because your input has proved so enjoyable and enlightening. Keep rocking 👏

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