Originally posted by: lola610
@ Debi di - ati ati uttam shuruvaat di aapne DotW ko, thanks a bazillion 🤗 The summaries of the scenes will probably prove very helpful in reminding everyone what they're about.
Agree with you about that very first Sunaina Mata scene, in fact if i had to choose a fav between all the Ramayan mom actresses it'd be her because she's so sweet and natural. But anyways, yes, there's an almost identical scene with Devaki and her mom in SK - and her mom is played by the same lady who plays Mandavi and Shrutkirti's mom in Ramayan - but like I told Shivang bhaiya, I wanted to limit the adarsh patni stuff -bechaare hubby log peeche reh jaate 😆
I too really love the post-Bharat milaap one, esp her guidance about how to treat Kaikeyi the same way as the other MILs - very important point she conveys, that in our culture, marriage isn't just a union with one person, it's with their whole family. Pati ko grudge hai, iska matlab yeh nahin ke biwi ko bhi rakhna chahiye - again Gunia's point from Ramji's dialogue becomes relevant, that bringing your significant other to the righteous path is most important - not just patronizing them and going along with their every mistake.
The next two scenes we've already touched on before between the two of us so let's wait for what everyone else says about them, the ghaas ka bichhona one deserves its own post because there are so many connections we can make from it and it's sooooooooooooooo beautiful 😍 Perfect illustration of how they should appreciate one another and not take each other for granted, leaving aside the obvious about enjoying comforts only together, if one is deprived of them the other should be too. Similarly Sita not accepting the food and clothing given to her in Ashok Vatika because Ram doesn't have access to such luxuries illustrates this point, that one should try to empathize with the other to the best of their capacity because that's what oneness is all about. But in my opinion, Vasuji takes this to a whole new level when, during the Balram pregnancy epis, we get to see how he's been sleeping the entire time they've been in the dungeon.Remember this?
This time they both don't have access to any kind of luxuries so he makes himself even more uncomfortable to be her source of comfort!!! Sooooooooooo sweet 😍 I think that without any dialogue and even any acting, simply in staging the scene like this, RSji made the most powerful statement of all on the duties of a husband and one of the meanings of marriage - like Gunia said, things are waaayyy different now - in a world where couples fight over the TV remote control, the thought of them sacrificing their comfort for each other to this extent seems soooo foreign. Lol in Sindhi we have a silly saying - "toh sanaan, mun sanaan" that means you showered, na? Gale lagte hai, main bhi saaf ho jaaunga, less work for me 😆 Seems irrelevant but what I'm tying to say is that the way SiyaRam and Vasuji act in these scenes tells us that marriage is quite similar in a cleaner and more wholesome way - you're uncomfortable? then so am I. I made you more comfortable? Then even I feel better. Because ideally they're supposed to be one, so their joys and sorrows should also be one - then the question of jealousy and envy that occurred in Amitabh-Jaya's Abhimaan wouldn't arise, because her success would be his and it'd be happily ever after 😍
Anyways, next scene - Vasuji again 😆 What I find particularly significant about his words and actions after the Akashwani, other than the obvious chivalry he demonstrates by putting his life on the line for her, is this: whether or not it was his decision, she wasn't his first wife, and at the time any subsequent wives were usually brought in as baby machines. But he, on the other hand, proved that her importance went way beyond the fact that she could bear sons. He was willing to surrender the sons she might have in order to save her life, proving that sons or no sons, she deserved to live and more generally, women are more than moms and deserve respect even outside of this one role.
UrmiLakhan scene abhi add karti hoon, but it again goes along with the point we discussed in the post-Bharat Milaap Sunaina one - that marriage entails duties not only to the spouse but to the whole family - he tells her to stay back and serve the moms, because again, in our culture, marriage involves the whole family and not just that one person. She would be fulfilling her duties towards him perfectly by taking care of them. But then, this would make an interesting point of comparison with the Sita Maa scene I posted from when Sumant is trying to take her home early on in the banvaas. She says that for her, all other relations aside - Ram comes first. How does this tie into Urmi's situation? Any thoughts? Anyone, please contribute!
Well, that covers the scenes you covered di, so thanks for the framework!! Really glad you like the topic and most welcome for the vid list, my pleasure... eagerly looking forward to all of you guys' inputs in this discussion!
