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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Prologue:

Magadhsamrat Chandragupta Maurya is seated on his throne. The special rajsabha he has summoned at the dead of night, as soon as he was able to drag himself out of his sickbed, to judge Nandini for the crimes of having deliberately killed Chhaya's unborn child, and gr ievously harmed Chandragupt, is about to begin.

Up to the point where I realized her death sentence was by walling her in, I felt that once again Chandra has acted rash and is going to severely regret his decision. Not because he is going to find out Nandini was innocent after all; but mostly because he has decided to hold a trial against the MM without the Prime Minister being present. I was already imagining the anger in Chanakya's eyes when he learns of his shisya's

After 3 continuous days of detoxification by the vaidyas (shown extremely well, and in sharp contrast to previous depictions in similar cases👏, and including the traditional jalavaidya, while poor Chandra, pulled and pushed this way and that and half drowned in water, looked like a toppled marble statue of Greek provenance!😉), Chandra has survived, but he is bone weary.

however Aunty, I am so NOT tickled to see the tandoor treatment. Honestly, even if such treatment was real it was hardly going to be done with a stainless cage!

But even more than the physical weakness, it is the unexpected tragedy, that has suddenly come out of nowhere , which darkens his mind with black despair. His voice is slurred and low, his eyes are clouded, more deep set than ever before. Every movement is a fresh strain that it seems he can barely take; even his right arm, when he moves it to one side, flops limply. And there is, in the lines of his face, in his hooded eyes, something else. A sullen anger, a resentment at this backhanded blow fate has dealt him.

My my aunty...you should be dubbed Mistress of Words! The entire passage above...whoa...its like a uninterrupted raaga gently going up and down the sine curve. And how you describe what was done without words! 'darkens his mind with black despair'? Wow...i could literally see the black arms of an unknown phantom curling around his brain.


What stood out here was the limp, totally exhausted, almost extinguished quality Rajat infused into Chandra's voice in the court scene, and even earlier when he was getting out of bed. It was a remarkable display of voice control, of a kind he has never before had a chance to explore, and he pulled it off splendidly.👏

We must agree that Rajat has been given chance to explore new things in this serial. This weakened state which he portrayed. Instead of doing an OTT physical-isque portrayal...you know where the guy is usually takes two steps then falters and fall and his queen/wife will run to catch him/cough out blood etc...he did it with his voice. I felt the guy was really in need of the ER. He sounded so weak and looked so frail.

Marvelous

Open and shut case: The hearing begins. It is odd that Nandini looks shocked at the charges against her. What else did she expect? That too when she says to herself, as she comes in, that the charges against her do not matter for her, only the fact that Chandra is alive?

I expect that she thought being MM she cannot be charged with anything. In fact I was afraid that she (or Avantika) might say that out loud. Or perhaps she mistook him asking for her as a sign of him believeing her to be blameless, though i cannot imagine any person with an ounce of sense would think that, especially when he had called in the full sabha. Either way it was stupid

Again, when Chandra, after all the three testimonies have been given, says that all the evidence is against her, Nandini looks alarmed. This is equally bizarre. She barely seems to recognize the gravity of the charges against her. Maybe she is lightheaded after 3 days of mirjal upavaaas, and no, I am not joking.

Actually Aunty I felt alarmed at her being alarmed. Did she have a out of body experience and floated of to La La Land? Honestly, we just had Dhurdhara going all freaky on Nandini (BTW why Dhurdhara was not the first one to go and yell for help and choose to stay in teh shadows and rant 'I wont let them kill you' to her unborn baby beats me!). So how is it possible that she does not anticipate all evidence against her?

But when she says to herself at this point Tum meri aankhon mein satya nahin dekh paa rahe ho, Chandra? Tum bhi??, I was hard put to contain my amazement. Does she think that he has telescope eyes that he can see the truth in hers from 50 feet away?

Are the Mauryans suppose to have been born with lie detector scanner embended in their eyes? Otherwise, i dont understand how she expect him to see the truth in her eyes?

Already, even before he made the supreme gesture of his faith in her by swallowing the allegedly poisoned medicine she had brought for Chhaya, he had gone further than any standard issue husband would to defend her, citing what were rather weak and specious grounds - bar the one argument that if she had wanted to do so, she could have killed him at any time earlier. He even tries to persuade Durdhara that she has had a brahm that Nandini had pushed Chhaya down the stairs, and he silences Helena's untimely protest with brutal directness. All because, as he declares with no hesitation: Mujhe Nandini par vishwas hai!

I was pleased at his declaration...like a warm breeze running through myself. But at the same time when he started bleeding, I was cursing the CV's. I mean, just like how Kanika loves to come and interrupt, so does all the bad stuff. Please for heaven sake let me bask in some cozy wooly feelings before you guys have to bring down woe

This was not just a faith that needed no proof. It was a faith that was ready and willing to provide the proof, and did so. With deadly consequences.


What more does, or should Nandini expect from Chandra? That too when every bit of direct, eyewitness evidence is against her?

Action speaks louder than words...so here is mine


Lingering hope: Even now, when , despite the crushing evidence against her, Chandra still gives Nandini a hearing, a chance to exculpate herself, his face is more anguished than hers. He has, by now, been driven into a corner, and he can see no way out. All of his slender hopes, his whole being, seem to be hanging on the words to come out of Nandini's lips.

It shows in his face, his eyes, as she says Chandra, mujhe ek rog hai!, and he looks wearily across at her. This was not what he was expecting. It sounds very weak, like the insanity defence that is often the last resort of those accused of murder, and he can probably also see the danger inherent in this defence, of which more later.

When she finishes - and she does not contest the charges, and only pleads that it was her disease that had made her do all that - his voice sounds even more exhausted, and the lines of his faces look even deeper, as he asks her whether she can prove it. Maybe there is still some hope, his mind calculates, of getting her off the death sentence. But Sunanda turns Nandini down flat, and Chandra's hopes come crashing down . His face freezes in disappointment, the magnitude of which is reflected in his stentorian roar that cuts off her desperate pleas: MAUN, Nandiini!!

I wanted to cry when he roared. Not because of the fate to befall her...for she deserved it, but for the pain he was in. Oww...the poor man. To await some sensible defense out of a senile female...what a pain. I knew well at that moment that her defense was no defense at all knowing that all this while, at each time he asked her what is wrong with her she has never mentioned this 'illness'. How many times would he have mentioned the puzzling contrast in her behavior, and that she doesn't seem to remember what she is doing. She kept mum all those time. Is he suppose to believe her now? Oh, forgive me Madam but the man was unfortunately did not come fitted with a crystal ball and a lie detector in his DNA!!😡

The final judgement is a classic case of force majeure, but not even Nandini seems to realise what it must have cost Chandra to pronounce it.

Apne paksh mein kuch bhi saabit karne mein tum asaphal rahi..Sare sakshya tumhare viruddh hain..To us kaaran, main, Magadhnaresh Chandragupta Maurya - here his voice thickens and catches in his throat, and he seems to be short of breath - yeh aadesh deta hoon ki tumhein jeevit deewaar mein chunwa diya jai!

Nandini's face freezes in shock, but none of the other reactions is up to par. Avantika's blank face is the worst, but even Daadi, who later pleads with Chandra to reconsider his verdict, looks at this point only as if she had a slight headache, not as if her beloved pautravadhu was about to be executed on the morrow!

No one seemed to have the correct reaction. I would have expected Avantika to fall into a heap of wailing madness. Her only living child being sentenced to such a painful death and she does what? And Moora who has been rooting for Nandini all this while, yes no doubt she is now angry at her children being endagered by Nandini, but still such a death? CN characters get overexcited for nothing, and they do nothing when they need to hvae some intense reactions. Weird weird

When Daadi is haranguing Chandra in the precap, his face is unmoved, and he seems to be looking sideways to avoid her eyes. But he also seems to be nodding his head. Is it in acquiescence with her insistence that Nandini could not be guilty of this crime?

As Nandini is being walled in, her face is still and unmoved; she is clearly resigned to her fate. The crucial question, however, remains. What fate?

To be the palace bhootini Aunty...haha

Folks,

Let us now get into the nitty gritty of all this.

Mughal-e-Azam remixed?: The Friday episode set off a virtual storm of lamentations in the forum, and Chandra was roundly castigated for

(a) not having believed Nandini's frantic denials, and delivered a false verdict based on insufficient or inconclusive evidence,

I dont understand why should we expect him to believe anything she says anyway. Solid evidences against her. The fellow cant even declare that he believes her to be innocent because his believe is waht got him spitting up blood. So no chance

(b) for not having had Nandini's claim of a maanasik rog investigated before finding her guilty and

If I was the king, i would rule out the claim as a desperate attempt to save her skin. She has had plenty of opportunity to tell him about her maanasik rog. She used none. Even when Chandra tells her she made him apply ointment, when she actually was stuck in the bali cave, the idiot female was not bright enough to point it out to him. So honestly, there is no basis for him to want to have her illness checked out.

(c) for the anticipated OTT efforts he was confidently expected to make, once he had learnt the truth from Chhaya, to tear the brick wall down himself with his dhai kilo ke haath, and then weep buckets all over Nandini and flagellate himself, hopefully only metaphorically😉, for his failure to recognize that she could never be guilty of this crime, or indeed of any crime.

LOL...this was a good one. Actually i thought that he had something up his mind for giving that verdict. Well, purely for the reason that Nandini was with him when Chhaya fell. And she not only had a conversation with him but she also had just written a letter to Nand, which she held in her hand when she met him. So she must have been somewhere with writing tools right before she met him. I was thinking, Chandra could have been bright enough to deduce that something extremely fishy is going on, because she could not have been in two places at one time.

In fact, as regards the last point, the complainants know not what they have escaped!😉 They should count their blessings that we are not likely to get a remix of Filmistan's 1960 (or thereabouts)Anarkali, where Pradeep Kumar, as Salim, dragged himself on his stomach all the way to that wall! And the audiences wept and applauded, while I, even at that very young age, gnashed my teeth.

@bold - what a horror

Also that Nandini contented herself with a nirjal upavaas to save Chandra's life, instead of the CVs getting ideas from The Da Vinci Code, and having her flagellate herself. 😉

Aunty you know well that this will never happen right? The worst might be she climbing the rocky stairs of some mandir on her knees .

NB: Actually it is the CVs who need to be horsewhipped for inflicting such cruel and unusual punishment on us, and on Nandini and Helena,for those horrible and endlessly repeated outfits. Helena has only 2, the white and the maroon, and I cannot understand how they are not both in tatters by now. As for Nandini, that blue and pink confection of hers makes me want to climb a wall.😡

which is why Roopa declaring Nandini has bad clothes and she needs new ones was so apt. Helena goes around "hail patrani me', and supposed to be the daughter of a king...and owns such deplorable wardrobe. I must add that i cannot understand the fashion statement of Apama's one sleeved robe either...Fashion Week Magadh style?

I am sure they have saved tones in the men's dressing department

Chanakya - has but one grey robe.

Nand - man only needs bottoms. for a top they can grab duppata from any of the crew and wrap it around his arms

Chandra - he only needs patchwork blankets

Malayketu - almost the same as nand except he seem to have the same permanent dupatta

The soldiers are the worst. Seems like they stitched old used tyres and spray painted them

So why can't they spend a little more on the ladies?

Now I am not saying that the lamenters could not be reading the minds of the CVs accurately. They just might. It is all a question of experience and the ability to get on to the same wavelength.

But it is equally possible that they are wrong, and it is this line that I am going to explore now. And also present a logical defence of Chandra on all the above counts.

The walling in option: Putting the best possible spin on the developments on Friday, see, there just might be a different reason for the walling in method of execution for Nandini. The death penalty is a given, but she could have been beheaded - they never hanged royals. Now walling in is the only method of execution where there is a possibility of extracting the condemned person without anyone else finding out about it.

The sentence was pronounced at the dead of night. So the execution could not be before the next day. Which would leave quite enough time for Chandra, who is now recovered, to have a secret exit built in the back. Once Nandini has been smuggled to safety, he can watch the reactions of the rest and try and unmask the culprit. He need not have any idea of the Roopa angle, only that Nandini has been, as he feels instinctively, framed by the really guilty person.

Those here who have watched Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat would remember the very dramatic scene where Helena is unmasked in open court by Ashoka. There he actually switches tunnels, and it could not have been easy. When he could have been shown doing that complicated exercise , why not Chandra now, with a much simpler one? Jalal did something roughly similar in the Atifa case, he faked his own death to unmask Maham Anga.

The rush to judgement: Also, why the tearing hurry for Chandra to try Nandini and pronounce judgement on her the very night after he regains consciousness? It could just as well have been done after he was a bit stronger, and Nandini was safely in house arrest anyway. Is he worried that now that he had not died, the culprit might try to escape, and that he must move as fast as he can now to prevent that?

As I noted earlier, I am not saying this is what will happen - the Cassandras here might, like the dismal daughter of King Priam of Troy, turn out to be right - but that it might. And if it does, it will be fascinating. Surely it is better to anticipate something intelligent that to beat one's breast and wail in advance!😉


He could have acted in haste because he was not the intended receiver of the poison. It was Chhaya. He could be worried that the person might still try to kill her, or aim at another family member perhaps. Either way, it would have been apparent to him that the actualintended victim is Nandini. And only some sort of ultimate punishment on her might put a stop to further plots

The Mukhya Maharani angle: Last but not the least, one should not lose sight of the very odd provision in the list of items for the Mukhya Maharani drawn up by Chanakya, viz that if for some reason, she is subjected to some punishment, the Maharaja too would be subject to the same punishment.

What would that mean in this case, that Chandragupta Maurya should also be walled in alive? Sochnewaali baat hai. It is true that Chandra does not let Nandini sit on the Mukhya Maharani's throne, and states that she is an accused, but the fact remains that as of the date of the punishment, she IS the Mukhya Maharani. Which makes for a nice conundrum for Chandra!

I wonder why Avantika did not scream this out. Nor Dadi for the matter. they could have stopped him by saying that according to law he is punishable by the same punishment. However, it would have been my kind of fun if both Chandra and Nandini were being walled up together...😉

The verdict: Now for the critiques of the verdict.

Nandini cannot blame Chandra for not accepting her innocence after seeing the evidence - there is Durdhara's eye witness evidence, and then Nandini was the only one, as she herself says, to have handled the medicine, and it was poisoned. What more does the prosecution need to prove her guilt, and what could she have done to prove her innocence?

Remember that she believes her alter ego, the other personality, has actually committed this crime. She cannot prove that either, even after he has given her a chance, for Sunanda lets her down flat. Even if Sunanda had supported Nandini, it would not have been a ticket to freedom. Nandini would have been locked away in an asylum for life.

After Sunanda's denial, there is NO way, that Chandra could have avoided sentencing Nandini, and the only possible penalty was death. If he had freed her, no one would ever have believed in Mauryan royal justice any more.

Finally, it is Nandini who has brought all this down on herself by clinging to that asinine vachan she gave her Badimaa. Such arrant stupidity brings its own rewards!😡

Not to speak of her supplementary folly in being blind and deaf to the sight of Roopa, reaching out right in front, within a foot of her, and pouring that deadly liquid into the aushadi Nandini has prepared for Chhaya.😡

@bold - no words...



The maanasik rog angle: It is true that if Nandini had been examined in greater detail and cross-questioned, the penny might have dropped for Chandra, for he is the one who knows of most of the contradictions in her behaviour, in Pataliputra and in Pataalgram.

In that case, she would have been sent for long term treatment, and one does not know if she would ever have accepted back into the royal family. All the others, bar Chandra, would always have been afraid of her, thinking that the alter ego might surface at any moment. This is because Nandini's supposed vipareet vyaktitva was not a gentle, inoffensive one, but patently murderous.

Or else, the supposed alter ego would have been punished with life imprisonment. Either way, Nandini's life would have been hell.

As I pointed out earlier, Chandra could not have let her off simply on the basis of his personal conviction. The scandal would have been horrendous, and she would then have been boycotted and reviled by the whole royal family, headed by Durdhara, bar Chandra, of course. After a while, it would have become unbearable for the poor girl.

Lastly, to answer a plaint that if Chandra had been found afflicted with the same maanasik rog, his queens would not have abandoned him, as Chandra was now apparently doing with Nandini, the point is that more serious things would be at stake for the king in question than his queens being loyal to him.

If Chandra had been shown to have this illness, he would have been dethroned and sent for treatment, and most likely killed off quietly by the next in line, in this case Malayaketu, who would have taken over the throne and the kingdom. One cannot have a mentally unstable man ruling a kingdom, and Chanakya would be the first to endorse that.

To revert, the only way out for Nandini now is for Roopa to be found, before she follows Aapama's self-serving advice and vamooses.

Tenacious hope: To sum up, I harbour a distinct hope that the walling in is a deliberate ploy - thought out by Chandra himself, based on his instinct that tell him that Nandini is innocent and has been framed - for trapping the real culprit, though he would of course have no idea of its being Roopa. Let us wait and watch.

You are absolutely right. SO pop the champagne aunty!!



This is all for today. Hopefully I can comment further tomorrow.


Shyamala/Aunty/Periyamma/ Akka/Di

PS: The two wonderful photos here are courtesy my dearest Anjali.

Edited by AJSharma79 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you so much, my dear Anu, I am delighted that you enjoyed this post so much. After all, it is this pleasure, of yours and others, for which I do them, and these days it is tough to get them out. I have missed a whole week this time, but I was glad I was not missing in action for all this fun!

I agree with you about the gross discrepancy between the two hunting for the book scenes. That was more blatant than anything else that had come up before.

But you see, that could also be explained by the double personality theory. This is exactly how that works, the alternate personalities come and go as they please, and the principal personality cannot control that at all. In fact there is no memory left of their comings and goings and their doings either.Which is very scary. There was a classic old film on this called The Three Faces of Eve, and my namesake M.Night Shyamalan's latest film, Split, is about a man with 24 personalities!

Very soon now they will show the steps by which Chandra arrived at the existence of a double of Nandini's and more important, how he got to know her name.

Shyamala Akka


Akka,

I mentioned that because it would have been a big revelation to Chandra and made up his mind.

I do know about Multiple Personalites and I did read a book Sybil which had 16 personalities and one did not know about the other.

Anu
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Posted: 8 years ago
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SOME SUPPLEMENTARY THOUGHTS ON THE PRECAP OF LAST NIGHT.

Folks,

I am nothing if not honest, and I think that by now all of you know this.

I very much wanted Chandra to have thought of the walling in option by himself, as a way of unearthing the truth of how Nandini was framed, which is something I presumed he knew instinctively: the heart has its reasons, and all that jazz.

I wanted it both because I would then have pulled off a rare successful plot prediction on a major issue, as also, and even more so, because Chandra would then have demonstrated the independent capacity to tackle such a sticky situation,without always hanging on to his guru's coattails, or dhoti, if you will.

Last night, when I saw the precap, I thought that my wish had been fulfilled, and I rejoiced, primarily on the second count. But now, on thinking it over, I see that there are many loose ends, and whichever way these are tied up, Chandra might end up looking lucky, more than clever and capable. I am not going to fudge the questions that arose in my mind just because of that!

Let me list them.

1) How does Chanakya, who would never have handed over the real Nandini to Padmanand as ransom for Bharati, state so confidently that he would be back with Nandini within those 7 days?

It can only mean that he has somehow got to know of Roopa, and plans to bring her along as Nandini when he comes to collect his daughter. He probably also knows about her obsession with killing Padmanand in revenge. So by handing her over to Padmanand, he would in effect be handing Padmanand over to her, and getting him killed by his own daughter, while also securing the freedom of his daughter . Ek pant, do kaaj!!

This would also mean that Chanakya and Chandra must have planned the whole charade of the sentencing and the walling in of Nandini together. Which would lose Chandra a good bit of the brownie points gained last night, but it is still far better than option 2, which follows.

2) If it was not the Chanakya option, how did Chandra get to know Roopa's name? Only Chhaya knows that. And Chandra declares later that Chhaya is still in a coma, which must be technically correct at that point of time.

So either she came to her senses briefly and briefed him about Roopa, and then lapsed back into a coma, or he overheard Sunanda and Roopa talking together.

a)If it was the former, then when could it have happened? Not before Chandra arose from his sickbed, of course. But so far as we know, he never went near Chhaya after that, but proceeded straight to the court.

Which means that she told him the truth when it was too late for him to stop the execution, ie after it was over, but of course in time for him to pull Nandini out of that wall, ie before she actually died.

With this conclusion, the whole logical rationale of the walling in option collapses, for it would mean that Chandra did not choose it, and the sentence itself, as part of his clever scheme to trap the real culprit , and that he really meant both the sentence and the method of execution.

This would be appalling. He did not think of executing Nandini's fat bhabhi for making Durdhara fall down the stairs, which could well have lost her the baby, then why execute Nandini now? That too after he has got to know her so much better now, learnt to appreciate her many good qualities, and had in fact such displayed such almost blind faith in her before he drank the poisoned aushadi?

Besides, the crime could not be wanting to kill him, Chandra, for what happened to him was pure chance. So it is not attempted regicide we are talking about here.

The only possible explanation is his violent reaction to his sense of having been betrayed - as he sees it, after there was poison in the aushadhi that Nandini had made, and which she alone had handled - by the woman he had come to trust and love .

So violent is the swing away from the total faith in Nandini that he displays before the poisoning, that he does not give any thought to what Nandini says in her defence,or try to tie that in with the abrupt shifts in her behaviour of late, with which he is very familiar.

What this means is that Chandra was willing to let the woman he loves go to a painful death just to assuage that sense of betrayal. And that too in such an unnecessary , tearing hurry, without making any effort to see if there could, perhaps, be truth in her assertion about her maanasik rog, irrespective of what Sunanda says. Of course, even if that was found to be true, Nandini could not have been set free, but she could not have been executed.

Any way one looks at it, the above explanation would hardly reflect well on him as a king and a judge. For the one cardinal truth about the death penalty is that it is final, and irreversible in events of miscarriage of justice.

It makes no sense at all.

b)If it was the latter, ie that he overheard Roopa and Sunanda, just as Chhaya had done, except for the source, the rest of what I have noted above would still apply, and the conclusion would be the same.

One escape route: The only way out of this which would preserve Chandra's character (and most of his brownie points!😉) would be for him to have gone to give Chhaya a look see on his way to court, at which exact moment she chose to open her eyes for 30 seconds and spill the beans about Roopa. Then he would have thought out this stratagem to fake Nandini's execution , and gone ahead with his plan, co-opting Nandini into it at the point when he rescues her.

Which would also explain why he stands there watching while she is being walled in, ready to rescue her the moment the job was over ( of course thru the back, for Avantika and Sunanda are sitting in the front, and the wall on that side has in any case to stay intact for the sake of credibility). If it was not for that, it would be pure sadism, and that cannot be the case.

Well, seeing that it was the unbelievably stupid way in which Chhaya had handled the revelation regarding Roopa - first dropping that kheer bowl with a loud clang, and then repeatedly announcing that she would be going to Chandra with the fell news😡 - instead of quietly sneaking off and telling him every thing, that got her and Nandini into this quicksand, it would only be poetic justice that she provide the key info at the crucial time! 😉

Chandra overhearing Sunanda and Roopa talking on his way to court seems far less likely, so one would prefer the Chhaya option, and before he enters the court.

Too good to be true?: Even better would be if Chandra had already guessed that there was a double after the two very different "hunting for the book" sequences - which has been flagged here by Anu (anurao.66) - and this had stayed at the back of his mind all thru the poisoning, and then the detoxification process, only to re-emerge as soon as he regained consciousness. From then on, he would have planned the whole charade with a view to unmask Roopa.

Besides sounding almost too good to be true - which is not to say that it cannot be true! - there remains the question of how he found out that the double's name is Roopa.

3) One can understand Chandra play acting in front of others, like his daadi, but why does he mourn Nandini in private as well? This is illogical, regardless of whether the whole thing was Chandra's plan, or if he really meant the sentence and its execution. Maybe he does it for the benefit of some stray daasi hanging around?

4) When Roopa suddenly emerges, in her role as the resurrected Nandini, exclaiming Shaant!, Chandra stares at her as if he has seen a ghost. What was that in aid of?

He has already saved Nandini, and hidden her away somewhere safe in the palace, for all this is at least 2 days after the execution. He knows about Roopa. So why does he stare at her as if his eyes are going to pop out? This too makes no sense at all.

I would be interested in your views on these points. I do not expect that tonight's episode will reveal all that went on behind the scenes, so we can have our fun with the various theories for another day at least. And of course watch the entertaining "ghostly" scenes with a terrified Roopa!

Shyamala/Aunty/Periyamma/Akka/Di

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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If Dadi whose gut instinct tells her nandni is innocent despite both her grand children being harmed by the same, why can't Chandra feel the same. His big hurry in pronouncing judgement is a big giveaway on him on an agenda. His behaviour with avantika and sunanda also raises questions in my mind. After nandini was walled in he removes his mukut and stares back. What happens after all?
In his private chambers his grief was a performance for whoever keeping watch.
In the Raj Sabha he was geniunely shocked to see roopa. I feel he still does not know of the existence of Roopa. It was like the real culprit walked in.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I'm rushing out.. so haven't read the supplement... which I'll need time to assimilate... so will read later!

But please take your time for a reply (in fact.. don't even need one, Periyamma, you've already replied... just preserve the strength for the next instalment😃)

I knew conundrum...and bejesus...🥳 quite oft-used words here...
But stentorian never came across before😕

Understood the force thingy too now 😆

About the words, it could also be regional... some of the words used here in UK might not be used as much India and vice versa... 😊
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No, Rekha, he is a king and a judge, and so he cannot go by his instinct. He had to go by the evidence.

I thought that it was the hurry and the death sentence with the walling in option that proved that it was all part of his plan. I still believe it was a plan,and that it was

-either a joint Chanakya-Chandragupta plan, or

- he found out the truth from Chhaya just before he went into court, and cooked up this plan on the spot.

Of the two, Chanakya's promising to get Nand's daughter back within seven days seems to me to show that the first option should be the correct one.

Which also means that Chanakya had fixed the general outlines, and Chandra operated within them, for Chanakya could not have known about Chhaya being pushed, or the poisoning attempt on her which ended up with Chandra getting poisoned, for he would then have been on his way to Padmanand's lair.

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Originally posted by: rekha02

If Dadi whose gut instinct tells her nandni is innocent despite both her grand children being harmed by the same, why can't Chandra feel the same. His big hurry in pronouncing judgement is a big giveaway on him on an agenda. His behaviour with avantika and sunanda also raises questions in my mind. After nandini was walled in he removes his mukut and stares back. What happens after all?

In his private chambers his grief was a performance for whoever keeping watch.
In the Raj Sabha he was geniunely shocked to see roopa. I feel he still does not know of the existence of Roopa. It was like the real culprit walked in.

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago
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#47
AUNTY, YOUR ENTIRELY ANALYSES IS LOGICALLY SOUND, BUT MOST OF WHAT WE HAVE SEEN ON THE SHOW THUS FAR HAS BEEN QUITE DEVOID OF LOGIC 😆

I TOO LOVED THE PRECAP AND THE SMUG AND CUNNING SMILE THAT CHANDRA HAD


HIS BODY LANGUAGE, AND THE SPEED AT WHICH HE PRONOUNCED THE SENTENCE, SOMEHOW, MAKES ME THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR VICTORY IS CHANDRA' AND ONLY HIS OWN


I DONT THINK CHHAYA WAS ABLE TO SQUEAL TO HIM. SHE HAS BEEN COMATOSE THROUGHOUT, AS ACTUALLY HAS EVEN CHANDRA


AND I SOMEHOW DONT EVEN THINK CHANAKYA IS INVOLVED. EVEN THOUGH HIS INTERACTION WITH NAND YESTERDAY STRONGLY SUGGESTS SOME PACT AND TACIT UNDERSTANDING OF THE REAL SITUATION


I JUST THINK HE MUST HAVE FOT A WHIFF OF SOMETHING WHILE NANDINI WAS SCREAMING HER INNOCENCE AGAIN AND AGAIN, WHILE HE WAS BEING LED FOR DETOX


FROM EXPERIENCE I CAN SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH EKTA'S LEADING MEN ARE SHOWN TO BE VERY SLOW AND GENERALLY BUDDHU ONCE IN LOVE, BUT SOMEHOW THERE IS A LOT OF STRENGTH IN AN INNOCENT WOMAN'S PLEAS 😆 THEY SEEM TO HIT THE RIGHT CHORD AND WORK WONDERS 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I guess the C-C discussed Nandini's nature swings, probably caught the doc lady who declared the vvv earlier and had probably spotted Roopa for fleeting moments when Nandini was otherwise busy. They were not sure if she was suffering from vvv or there was a doppelganger.
Chandra as soon as he recovers wants to check both the options before more of the family suffer. If Nandini is eliminated from the scene the doppelganger loses her free ticket to roam about and harm Dhurdhara or anyone else. Even if she is sick, she has to be treated in isolation. Hence the walling option and the urgency to put a stop to any further mishaps. He takes Nandini out to some secret hideout.

Acharya might have overhead Sunanda and Roopa when Roopa is forced to escape. Hence he is sure of 7 days and comes back and tells Chandra about it. Since now they are sure that Nandini doesn't have vvv they take her into confidence and work out to scare the bejesus out of Roopa.

Or

Chandra probably gave the judgment based on hard fact in a fit of bitterness and Chanakya came back to reveal the Sunanda-Roopa-Convo and then lifted her out of the walls.

If Chaya were to have woken up for 30 seconds just before Chandra goes to court, would it explain his haste in summoning the court?🤔

Chandra's wide eyed reaction is probably because he is seeing Roopa for the first time while Nandini was safe in his hideout. Such a resemblance is surprising while seeing for the first time though he knew of Roopa's existence by then.
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Have seen today's episode just now on hotstar premium.

Too many loopholes. Disjointed scenes. Obvious glares.

I think this track will end in upping the Mahanta quotient of N finally, in a sense.
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I don't understand 2 aspects still.
1. Anil had explained that Nand's love for his daughter was more than his hatred of Chanakya. But still, wouldn't having Chanakya as a bait would tempt Chandra to release Nandini more than having his daughter.

2. Why does he still want to play ghosty games with Roopa? What is the need to draw a confession from her? Whom does he need to convince? He IS the undisputed authority of the land. And his whole family is Nandini's poojarans. None need proof.

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