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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: dazzlingdesi

First of all I would like to say is if the topic is about KANK then stick to that movie...there is no reason to bring in D2...because whether anyone agrees or not...but D2 was only suppose to be ENTERTAINMENT and was 2006's biggest blockbuster

Now getting back to KANK.....I dont deny the fact that extra marital affairs happen...but the way it was portrayed in the movie was completly bakwaas....and the only reason the movie was a mere hit was because it had Bollywood's top stars in it......if K'Jo wanted to experiment with a bold theme he should have had a strong story....the story made no sense at all....you only get into an extra marital affair when your having problems with your spouse...what proble did Maya and Dev have with their better halves.....even tho they both had short-comings their spouses still gave them alot of support and love....

Anywayz thatz my POV on the film.....not everyone has similar taste...so just bcauz some ppl didnt like KANK doesnt mean they arent mature or cant handle a bold theme

~Rashi~



If I want to bring Dhoom 2 to prove my point on KANK, I will. I do not care if it was one of the biggest blockbuster of 2006. And if it was one, it was cos it featured some popular actors and the so-called kiss controversy was icing on the cake! Plus, it was riding on the back of the success of Dhoom. If Dhoom 2 was entertainment, then what is KANK? Last time I checked, it was also a film made for entertainment purposes. Its not a documentary. KJo wasn't trying to change the world with the film.

"You only get into extra martial affairs your having problems with your spouse?" 😕 Who said so? Who said people have affairs only when they have problems in their marriages? In Silsila, did Rekha and Big B's characters really have "reasons" to have an affair? Yes, they loved each other but circumstances led them to marry different people. But both their spouses were supportive and caring. Anyway, the film now is considered a classic and story is similar to KANK though the treatment was much more mature and sensitive. So yes, people have affairs even when they have supportive and loving spouses, for whatever reasons. Its pathetic and sad but its not like it doesn't happen. That was the point of the story.

Compared to some movies made on extra martial affairs (i.e. Biwi No 1, Masti) KANK was much better. But it could have made more sense and wish KJo had paid more attention to the script and treatment.
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Posted: 18 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

Everyone has different views. I am normally a person who likes such different closer to life films but in KANK---Evereyone seemed to live in a dream world actually. The movie was bold of course and was meant to be "different"...but turned out to be the usual Karan Johar senseless drama--Not even One character was well etched out and no one seemed to completely understand what they were doing--All the relations in the film were illogical and it dragged and dragged to no extend. Big Bore---it could have been much much better if only Kjo had handled the subject sensitively and maturely. U have to believe in what you are doing and then make such a film. KANK was a brave attempt gone terribly wrong. The Bachchans were the only relief in the film. At least they, especially Big B, provided some light hearted moments thank god. Rani was bad(no offense), Preity was given no space and SRK-We have seen enough of those same expressions over and over.

Btw...yaar its gone with the wind---really outdated reviewing KANK now. Discussions abt it are getting boring and repitative.



Ok, maybe the topic starter just recently watched the film...😕
At least there's some "discussion" here...
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonyaee



If I want to bring Dhoom 2 to prove my point on KANK, I will. I do not care if it was one of the biggest blockbuster of 2006. And if it was one, it was cos it featured some popular actors and the so-called kiss controversy was icing on the cake! Plus, it was riding on the back of the success of Dhoom. If Dhoom 2 was entertainment, then what is KANK? Last time I checked, it was also a film made for entertainment purposes. Its not a documentary. KJo wasn't trying to change the world with the film.

"You only get into extra martial affairs your having problems with your spouse?" 😕 Who said so? Who said people have affairs only when they have problems in their marriages? In Silsila, did Rekha and Big B's characters really have "reasons" to have an affair? Yes, they loved each other but circumstances led them to marry different people. But both their spouses were supportive and caring. Anyway, the film now is considered a classic and story is similar to KANK though the treatment was much more mature and sensitive. So yes, people have affairs even when they have supportive and loving spouses, for whatever reasons. Its pathetic and sad but its not like it doesn't happen. That was the point of the story.

Compared to some movies made on extra martial affairs (i.e. Biwi No 1, Masti) KANK was much better. But it could have made more sense and wish KJo had paid more attention to the script and treatment.



Ok mayb i was wrong when i said that D2 was only for entertainment....because all bollywood movies are for entertainment....but how does D2 help prove any point of KANK....D2 wasnt even meant to have some superb storyline it was just one of those films where you just go and watch without expecting some lesson teaching message....D2 was action movie with lots of style and action sequence while KANK was a serius movie about relationships....the only similarties between both films was that they both had VERY weak scripts

If D2 had big stars than KANK had even bigger stars....so if star power is so important for a film then why did KANK only be a hit and D2 a blockbuster....are Hrithik-Abh-Uday-Aish-Bips bigger stars than Big B- SRK-Rani-Priety-Kiron....i dont think so

And even KANK had lotz of critcism but unfortunatly KANK's criticism didnt help the movie in anway like the Kiss of D2 did....even tho i believe the kiss was over-hyped since it was only for 5 seconds

In my opinion extra-marital affairs only occur when a husband-wife have some problem which cauz either one of them to go out and find support from another person

Silsila, even tho i didnt watch the movie, you said that Rekha and Amitabh liked each other but married someone else, in KANK Rani-SRK never loved each other.....Rekha-Amitabh had an extra marital affair cauz they still had feeling towards each other which they could surpress, which is alright since its not easy to forget your first love....but this wasnt the case in KANK....in KANK SRK-Rani meet and after meeting a couple of times all of a sudden they fall in love and spend a night togather.....

In my opinion i think KANK was the worst movie of 2006 and even worser than D2....atleast I enjoyed watching D2

~Rashi~


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Posted: 18 years ago
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Kank was d worst movie nothng new n even actors were looking so dull n sleepy i think even they didnt enjoyed
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonyaee



If I want to bring Dhoom 2 to prove my point on KANK, I will. I do not care if it was one of the biggest blockbuster of 2006. And if it was one, it was cos it featured some popular actors and the so-called kiss controversy was icing on the cake! Plus, it was riding on the back of the success of Dhoom. If Dhoom 2 was entertainment, then what is KANK? Last time I checked, it was also a film made for entertainment purposes. Its not a documentary. KJo wasn't trying to change the world with the film.

"You only get into extra martial affairs your having problems with your spouse?" 😕 Who said so? Who said people have affairs only when they have problems in their marriages? In Silsila, did Rekha and Big B's characters really have "reasons" to have an affair? Yes, they loved each other but circumstances led them to marry different people. But both their spouses were supportive and caring. Anyway, the film now is considered a classic and story is similar to KANK though the treatment was much more mature and sensitive. So yes, people have affairs even when they have supportive and loving spouses, for whatever reasons. Its pathetic and sad but its not like it doesn't happen. That was the point of the story.

Compared to some movies made on extra martial affairs (i.e. Biwi No 1, Masti) KANK was much better. But it could have made more sense and wish KJo had paid more attention to the script and treatment.

firstly, In Silsila, there was much more reasoning in the relationship for as u said 'CIRCUMSTANCES' lead them to marry elsewhere. N Amit's character didnt actually have any "problem" with his wife only---he just couldnt imagine her his wife. Believe me--at some point or the other---many feel they are justified---There are people who were disappointed that at the end they return to their spouses! Now u gotta show that really well if ppl have to think that way. 😉Above all Silsila was showm so sensitively, maturely and most importantly SENSIBLY. There was none of that larger than life incidents (which make up KANK). Hats off to Yash Chopra👏👏👏 In fact its one of my favourite films and truly a classic. N as the toppings great acting from everyone especially Big B and Sanjeev Kumar. (aur toh aur at least there was woderful chemistry between AB-Rekha)😳

N In KANK I recall none between SRK and Rani😆 N tell me Dev married Rhea becoz he loved her and soon that love najaane kahaan gayab ho gaya....and then he says..."Kehte hai shaadi ki buniyaad sirf pyar hona chaahiye" or something like that (sorry if I got it wrong😆). N then we have Dev hating his wife bcoz of her successful career and his abysmal one---good message thanks Kjo. What exactly was happening in the film??? aya marries Rishi becoz an ajnabee "advices" her to. One question I would ask to Johar---what were Samarjit Talwar and Kamajit Saran doing in the film..."Entertainement" I suppose---there was no way they fit into the story anyway😆 N then Rishi forgives Maya and all the drama. and what pisses u off the most Dev says" I like blue". Maya Says "I like Blue too..."---Tumhi Dekha na...la la la!!! Maya seems to like whatever Dev likes and the instant her husband suggets something, she goes overboard🤢 It was an insult to our intelligence. This is strictly my point of view.

Btw. its needless to drag other films into this discussion just to support one's own choice. D2 was illogica allright, had many flaws all right, not what u could call "oh god this is a masterpice" all right. But it was meant just to take u for a thrilling ride and for that matter it did. In KANK---They didnt even get the point acrosee and there was no entertainement at all barring a few comical incidents thanks to Sam (have to say seemed sleazy but was a repise whatsoever) anyways as far as we have well defined views for ourselves, I guess there isnt a problem.

Edited by lucky_lakshmi - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

firstly, In Silsila, there was much more reasoning in the relationship for as u said 'CIRCUMSTANCES' lead them to marry elsewhere. N Amit's character didnt actually have any "problem" with his wife only---he just couldnt imagine her his wife. Believe me--at some point or the other---many feel they are justified---There are people who were disappointed that at the end they return to their spouses! Now u gotta show that really well if ppl have to think that way. 😉Above all Silsila was showm so sensitively, maturely and most importantly SENSIBLY. There was none of that larger than life incidents (which make up KANK). Hats off to Yash Chopra👏👏👏 In fact its one of my favourite films and truly a classic. N as the toppings great acting from everyone especially Big B and Sanjeev Kumar. (aur toh aur at least there was woderful chemistry between AB-Rekha)😳

N In KANK I recall none between SRK and Rani😆 N tell me Dev married Rhea becoz he loved her and soon that love najaane kahaan gayab ho gaya....and then he says..."Kehte hai shaadi ki buniyaad sirf pyar hona chaahiye" or something like that (sorry if I got it wrong😆). N then we have Dev hating his wife bcoz of her successful career and his abysmal one---good message thanks Kjo. What exactly was happening in the film??? aya marries Rishi becoz an ajnabee "advices" her to. One question I would ask to Johar---what were Samarjit Talwar and Kamajit Saran doing in the film..."Entertainement" I suppose---there was no way they fit into the story anyway😆 N then Rishi forgives Maya and all the drama. and what pisses u off the most Dev says" I like blue". Maya Says "I like Blue too..."---Tumhi Dekha na...la la la!!! Maya seems to like whatever Dev likes and the instant her husband suggets something, she goes overboard🤢 It was an insult to our intelligence. This is strictly my point of view.

Btw. its needless to drag other films into this discussion just to support one's own choice. D2 was illogica allright, had many flaws all right, not what u could call "oh god this is a masterpice" all right. But it was meant just to take u for a thrilling ride and for that matter it did. In KANK---They didnt even get the point acrosee and there was no entertainement at all barring a few comical incidents thanks to Sam (have to say seemed sleazy but was a repise whatsoever) anyways as far as we have well defined views for ourselves, I guess there isnt a problem.



Yes, circumstances. Shekhar dies and Amit does a favor by marrying Jaya's character since she was pregnant. I never said the stories were the same but they are similar. And yes, I agree, Silsila was a more sensitive, mature and well-made film than KANK. But at the time it was released, I wonder if it many people felt the affair was "justified", even given the reasons. Silislia film wasn't generally appreciated by the masses, or was it? Most people would say if the spouses didn't have *problems*, why was there a need for an extra martial affair? It was cos of love. Similarly, in KANK, Maya and Dev never marry their spouses cos they love them. Both marriages are "marriages of convenience". Dev marries Rhea cos she's his friend, I don't think he ever loved her, even before his accident. Maya's reasoning is somewhat the same. She felt obligated to marry Rishi cos he and his father did so much for them. Its he fault she did that and later repented the decision. So that was the gist of the story. So in both films, love was stronger than the martial vows. Anyway, lets see what happens 10 years from now. Maybe KANK will be considered a classic like Silsila is today. 😆 And its not easy to make a film on the subject and have it be well accepted by the general public so I will give credit to KJo for attempting such a film. Unfortunately, he could have done a much much better job!

About Rhea-Dev's marriage, there are plenty of men who are jealous of their more successful wives. Why does everyone have to assume KJo was sending out a message by depicting that in the film? I don't get that. 😕 So in other films (**forgive me for needlessly bringing other movies here**), we can say the same if they're showing something wrong. Should everything depicted in movies be morally right? Zzzz...snore 🥱, imagine how boring that would be and then we talk about wanting "realistic" cinema.

They were plenty of "comical" situations in KANK too, if people got them. Not the traditional slapstick comedy we see in David Dhawan films but yes, some ironic, sardonic and comic situations. The black beast incident (which was somewhat symbolic as Maya and Dev both assumed the other to be the *black* beast and later engaged in an extra martial affair, which *blackened* their characters morally), the scene where Maya and Dev advise each other on how to make their marriages successful, scene where Maya enters Rishi's office party with his friends wearing that awful outfit.

And yes, I agree some situations like the "I like Blue' were just too filmy and even the song Tumhi Dekho Na just did not fit it! 😆 I guess KJo wanted to take full advantage of filming the movie in NY. 😆😆 He just had to film all the beautiful locations, even with his anti-hero and anti-heroine.

Entertainment does not necessarily mean *funny* situations. Even serious movies can be entertaining. If you watch it and aren't bored, you're entertained. 😛 Sarkaar was a serious film but nevertheless, an interesting one and I can say, it was entertaining!

Your honor, I rest my case on KANK. 😆 Final verdict is that its not a terrible movie. Not a wonderful one either but a film decent enough to watch once and twice. I can understand why people have disliked the film. If people don't like the POV, they aren't going to like the film. There are some people who like films even if they don't agree with the writer's POV and characters' actions. Thats it.
Edited by sonyaee - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Sorry for going off-topic but since we started talking about Silsila and Amitabh-Rekha chemistry, here's something for you all to watch...couldn't resist, just love this song... 😃

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teVW3h01e4k

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Posted: 18 years ago
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I liked it not only bcoz of my favs but it reflects the truth of today's life ...anyway its just my opinion ...thnks
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Posted: 18 years ago
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i liked kank becuz it was sumthing new...the story was good.....i dont mean the whole affairs thing was good....but it was good becuz it really does happen...it wasnt a movie everyone wud like...u have to have a level of maturity in u to understand it and to appreciate it...

sum ppl like to watch movies for pure entertainment....this wasnt their kind of film...sum ppl like films that have a message/lesson and shows reality...this is their kinda film...

i really liked kank becuz of itz boldness...tho i didnt agree with the point of view either....but it was very different from other movies...

and yes the acting was superb...i think abhishekh bachchan stole the movie...his childlish behaviour along with great maturity made his character really strong...he was the best part of the movie...

srk was awesome....i really hated the character of dev...but thas how his character was shaped up to be...arrogant, rude, selfish....and srk portrayed him really well...it wasnt the 'usual' chocolate boy roles everyone says he does...it was really different...

rani, kiron kher, amitji and preity had their shares too...strong performances by all
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonyaee



Yes, circumstances. Shekhar dies and Amit does a favor by marrying Jaya's character since she was pregnant. I never said the stories were the same but they are similar. And yes, I agree, Silsila was a more sensitive, mature and well-made film than KANK. But at the time it was released, I wonder if it many people felt the affair was "justified", even given the reasons. Silislia film wasn't generally appreciated by the masses, or was it? Most people would say if the spouses didn't have *problems*, why was there a need for an extra martial affair? It was cos of love. Similarly, in KANK, Maya and Dev never marry their spouses cos they love them. Both marriages are "marriages of convenience". Dev marries Rhea cos she's his friend, I don't think he ever loved her, even before his accident. Maya's reasoning is somewhat the same. She felt obligated to marry Rishi cos he and his father did so much for them. Its he fault she did that and later repented the decision. So that was the gist of the story. So in both films, love was stronger than the martial vows. Anyway, lets see what happens 10 years from now. Maybe KANK will be considered a classic like Silsila is today. 😆 And its not easy to make a film on the subject and have it be well accepted by the general public so I will give credit to KJo for attempting such a film. Unfortunately, he could have done a much much better job!

About Rhea-Dev's marriage, there are plenty of men who are jealous of their more successful wives. Why does everyone have to assume KJo was sending out a message by depicting that in the film? I don't get that. 😕 So in other films (**forgive me for needlessly bringing other movies here**), we can say the same if they're showing something wrong. Should everything depicted in movies be morally right? Zzzz...snore 🥱, imagine how boring that would be and then we talk about wanting "realistic" cinema.

They were plenty of "comical" situations in KANK too, if people got them. Not the traditional slapstick comedy we see in David Dhawan films but yes, some ironic, sardonic and comic situations. The black beast incident (which was somewhat symbolic as Maya and Dev both assumed the other to be the *black* beast and later engaged in an extra martial affair, which *blackened* their characters morally), the scene where Maya and Dev advise each other on how to make their marriages successful, scene where Maya enters Rishi's office party with his friends wearing that awful outfit.

And yes, I agree some situations like the "I like Blue' were just too filmy and even the song Tumhi Dekho Na just did not fit it! 😆 I guess KJo wanted to take full advantage of filming the movie in NY. 😆😆 He just had to film all the beautiful locations, even with his anti-hero and anti-heroine.

Entertainment does not necessarily mean *funny* situations. Even serious movies can be entertaining. If you watch it and aren't bored, you're entertained. 😛 Sarkaar was a serious film but nevertheless, an interesting one and I can say, it was entertaining!

Your honor, I rest my case on KANK. 😆 Final verdict is that its not a terrible movie. Not a wonderful one either but a film decent enough to watch once and twice. I can understand why people have disliked the film. If people don't like the POV, they aren't going to like the film. There are some people who like films even if they don't agree with the writer's POV and characters' actions. Thats it.

yeah u may never know...Yes Silsila was not appreciated by the masses thanks to the AB-Rekha much famous affair😉 N as u said KANK is worth watching more than once, please do watch it again---Dev does say that he married Rhea as he did love her(love which disappears with time). Thanks Dev, Rhea couldnt have done without u😆 Just kidding. If KANK will be considered a classic like Silsila, I have no say😕 Bold of course but senseless.

When I said "entertainment" I didnt mean 'funny'...The scenes of Mr.Bachchan was less funny more vulgar thanks to K Jo wonderful characterisation---but what I meant is that u feeel uncomfortable thruout the movie yaar...for 3 and a half hrs, u cant bear it!!! I should have put my point across properly. The "Black Beast" thing---was it meant to be funnyy?? It irritated me if u ask me.

Sarkar is not an entertainment film all right but thats a political drama and has its own elements of interest. KANK was so publicised and ppl went to watch it with their families and most came out repenting.

By the way---I take back what I said abt discussions on KANK being outdated...not at all boy not at all

Edited by lucky_lakshmi - 18 years ago

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