Feminism gaya tel lene - Page 2

Yikes! This thread is running close to almost 40 pages. Say what I may will about Vanga he delivers on his claims. He promised a film that would trigger people, and boy did he. Try as I may to let it go; it's like having someone claw at a festering wound that hasn't healed yet.

No one is perfect. And none of the celebrities I am a fan of are spotless. For me, it is simple - irrespective of whether I am a fan or not, I criticize when it is something I disagree with, and I praise when it is something I agree with.

I've seen countless movies with all kinds of shitty people doing all kinds of shitty things. But in most of them, especially many cited in this thread, the characters doing those shitty things aren't the protagonists or heroes. If the shitty character does end up as the protagonist - there is a redemption arc, a sense of comeuppance, or at least some exasperation built toward the character. You don't feel gross or wrong watching the movie.

The reason why Animal crosses all the lines for me is the intent of the maker and the larger impact it has. This movie is intentionally made to trigger people. In other words, hurt them by punching below the belt. So basically, this is a grown man who was so upset by the criticism he received for his previous film that he decided to zoom in on each one of them and see how far he could push the envelope.

Many movies with gray or dark protagonists were not made to trigger, upset, or hurt people. They were simply made to tell stories - of how mental health issues may trigger toxic behavior or how wealth and power make ordinary people debased and corrupt. And as a result, the other aspect is how gratuitous it is in going out of the way to humiliate women. Worst of all, it has been packaged in a way to whip the masses into a frenzy, celebrating the character for their toxicity, not despite it.

That being said, I do believe the maker has a constitutional right to make any kind of movie they desire. If people wanted to censor or ban the movie, I would be against it and stand for the rights of makers. Art imitates life, and life imitates art. But people also have the free will to watch and not watch what they want. For content made for adults, whether it be p0rnography, gambling, drugs, alcohol, or edgy movies it is up to the adults to take it with a grain of salt and know the rules of society and the law. Most importantly, I have no right to intervene or dictate what adults legally consume.

But that doesn't mean I understand and support these choices. Honestly, I know there is nothing I can do to change people's minds. And perhaps I am speaking into a pointless vacuum. To a certain extent, I get why Vanga makes the kind of movie he does. I also get why some of the masses revel in movies like this. But I will never get why so many more do. It isn't just about feminism or women's rights. It's just that how could any human who wants to be a good human support content that not only humiliates other humans for the sake of it but also was created for the sole purpose of upsetting and hurting people? But I should step away from this - no one likes a mad woman.

I don't think its right to shame any woman over a movie made by Sandeep Vanga. The fault solely lies in him that he writes such toxic bullshit.

I hope we can all agree that toxic masculinity and violence against women are social evils that we have to address as a society. I hope we can all agree that a movie that creates a protagonist that celebrates such behavior and draws in audiences to celebrate such behavior is a problematic movie.

Personally, I think we could do so much better if we tried to see what we have in common and collectively stand against something we all disagree with. I know there are many ways of being a woman and a feminist. I do find many of these ways distasteful and disagreeable. But hopefully, someday, we can have a fruitful discussion about that. However, I think we need to find common ground when we are dealing with toxic masculinity being celebrated on such a grand scale.

Anyway, I really hope I can convince women celebrating the film's success to stop doing so. I wish fans were not so one-dimensional. I know the urge to celebrate your favorite actor's success. But sadly, this is not a film to celebrate. When a popular and mainstream actor does such a problematic role, it can set the entire nation back several steps. We can and should criticize our favorites when they do something that goes against our morals.

Sad. I had full plan to watch it for Ranbir. But after watching Anupama’s review and the last line about throwing up, I decided not to go. Plus the story is so damn hell mediocre. The only reason this movie could be celebrated is Vanga and his portrayal of masculanity.

I dont want to add a single penny to whatever it’s making right now. This madness should stop.

P.S. - Being a feminist I am a staunch believer that making own choice does not fall under the defination of it. Making an informed choice is. And sadly that’s not possible with 100s of years of patriarchy. For example I cannot possibly believe it’s a woman’s ‘choice’ to wear hijaab. Yeah kill me for it, I dont care.

Originally posted by: Agni_Jytsona

Ranbir gets dragged just for existing

No he doesn’t!

He got dragged for calling his pregnant wife fat. He got dragged for telling her to wipe off her lipstick. He gets dragged for actual things that he says and does, mostly to his wife.

Originally posted by: Agni_Jytsona

Ranbir gets dragged just for existing

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

It is 100% right to shame the women who are supporting it.

People who are pretending art doesn't influence culture are simply doing so for the sake of their hero.

I love Ranbir Kapoor as an actor. But I am sorely disappointed in his decision to choose this film. I am also heartbroken that Tripti agreed to such a problematic role. Just sad to see a good cast in such a toxic film.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

People are watching movie for different reasons -

1 Ranbir Kapoor

2 Sex scenes

3 Violence

4 To see something new

5 To see how bad it is

6 Misogynistic idiots getting orgasms from scenes and dialogues

If the discussion is about misogynistic idiots then I can't club all others with them, the distinction is extremely important as to not attack everyone but people don't understand it

It is black and white for them, hate everyone or none

I am a feminist and I think this whole black and white approach has done more harm to the cause than anything else because you lose support.

Also, how do we even differentiate between people who cheering for the movie or common men cheering for the BO. I understand Rohit Jaiswal or Komal Nehta benefitting from it and earning, so they have that capacity to remain objective. But common people like you and I, or Ranbir fans who aint getting a penny out of it, why’d they cheer for such movie’s BO success which inherently is a against everything we’ve all learnt and read and known in our lifetimes.

Chinoy seth, jinke apne ghar sheeshe ke hote hain, woh doosron pe patthar nahin phenka karte

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Cause their all at the movies

So are the men. In fact more men than women at the movies. I just don't agree with blaming women for this. I blame only one person and that is Vanga.