Are South stars so desperate for BW? - Page 4

Originally posted by: atominis

he will forever be known as the Bahubali actor to audience in North.

One film ( or in this case 2 joint films) wonder lol

Rajamouli is only big star .The actors don't have pan India appeal

I think it is evident now. It was Rajamouli factor. Not Ram Charan, Prabhas, Rana, Anushka, Tamannah, NTR Jr.

And it is Shankar who is bigger force behind pan India success of Robot and Sivaji.

Originally posted by: elim

Rajamouli is only big star .The actors don't have pan India appeal

Yeh mai kya dekhria hoon everything is in reverse here about the South stars. Non-South and things in the 80s may be true (partially), but current stars have evolved from it.

First of all, Prabhas - Saaho, Radhe Shyam, and Adipurush were 'his' choices. The first two were made by Telugu directors, and even production was handled by Prabhas' close people. It was almost like Home Production for him. The casting choices were theirs. The idea behind them (on picking those subjects), too, is clear. Two versions were made (casting-wise), one for Telugu and the other for Hindi. For Radhe Shyam, they went a step ahead and got two versions of Audio as well. So, if anyone is conning, it is Prabhas, not the other way around. I doubt this, though, because he is too lazy to even do that. Remember, he has had failures in Telugu, too, before tasting this national stardom. It's just a reflection of his choices nationwide.

Prabhas' next set of films is again from South directors only. Yes, there will be a Hindi production name attached as well, but it's a mere formality. They are for money, that's it. The creative choices are entirely Prabhas and his directors. If the movies are disappointing, that's the talent of the director, and if it's the actor, then well, Prabhas gets the blame. Waise he is not known for his 'acting'. He is a star, and looks/physicality is a part of it. No one else except him gets the blame for his present looks - a primary reason he gets mocked/trolled online. He just let it go post the phenomenal success of Bahubali movies.

Ram Charan - For the Zanjeer remake, he picked the director. I might have said this before and will say this again anyway. South (especially the Telugu film industry) saw an opportunity in Bollywood for a 'Young Mass Hero'. It was based on years of dubbed (non-theatrical) movie success and the "ageing" current big stars (Khan's and Rest). Chiranjeevi made a mistake in the director selection. He appointed a local director to oversee the project, as well, so that it could be managed (kind of like a ghost director). It didn't work out. Post its failure, they (Chiru/Charan) rejected Mohenjodaro with Ashutosh and waited for the right film. Now, RRR happened years later. But they were the first to test the waters.

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What current Telugu stars are doing is different from Diljit Dosanjh. The Telugu stars pick and choose whom they want to work as in they 'set' the project in motion.

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Rajinikanth in the 80s and Chiranjeevi in the '90s mostly did remakes (especially the latter). If they were faltu then the original must be the same as they were just reprising their parts. They actually had decent success, but they quit because their local market was getting affected. In those days, South Stars used to do more than five films a year. Hindi films were unorganised shooting-wise, and success wasn't guaranteed, unlike in the native film industries, where they would always get a bumper opening.

Kamal Haasan is the real deal here. He did direct Hindi movies after his blockbuster debut (Ek Duje Ke Liye) and faced issues. He stopped doing direct films and started dubbed releases and saw success. Mani Ratnam followed him and saw bigger success due to Rahman's music (followed by RGV and Shankar). It was a brief phase, but successful nonetheless. It all ended in the '90s itself (post-Hindustani), and there was no "dubbed" theatrical success until Baahubali happened (almost two decades later). Baahubali is the game-changer.

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Right now, frankly, none of the South stars or heroes (Nikhil Karthikeya 2) who saw success wants to do a "Direct" Hindi movie unless it's an "Event Movie". The first and foremost requirement is their core fanbase (local) is excited. Otherwise, they are happy to do the movies in their language, but the 'subjects' are planned with larger than life appeal so that they could have Hindi (and other language) releases. KGF, Pushpa, Kantara, Vikram, Major, PS 1 & 2 etc., belong to this category. To them, the Hindi market is like icing on the cake, not the cake itself. Business-wise, the "Pan-India" movie helps them get much more business locally.

Unlike in the past (Kamal Hasan/Rajini/Chiru era of remaking), they will keep coming like Hollywood dubbed films - made on a large scale and with a unique backdrop. Some will work, many won't, but it's (pan-India for South) a new project for them that won't stop. Only the stars have to be interested in doing them. It is all about the star or the actor and has mostly nothing to do with Bollywood production. Bottom-line is the stars are not fools. The current pan-India model helps both parties (Bollywood and South stars) commercially. It is all business.

Originally posted by: elim

Rajamouli is only big star .The actors don't have pan India appeal

I think Allu Arjun is the only hero right now who broke into the North market without doing a SSR movie, let us give it to that guy

I don't think a star as big as Prabhas would sign a project without having understood the script. His staff usually vet projects. Also scripts are written in English. None in Bollywood use devanagari (this was Ab Sr's biggest gripe at some point). Where as in southern industries extensively scripts are written in regional languages. It is also that most times the directors themselves are the dialogue writers such as Trivikram, Rajamouli and his family to an extent etc. So it is possible that the actors wouldn't have had access to the ridiculous dialogues when they were signing.

Zanjeer gets thrown in Ram Charan's face a lot. But at any rate big stars decide to work with directors and not the script or their costars or any other factor. Atleast in recent times stars in BW are running after successful directors without caring about the script. Because they are falsely equating a good director = good film. In South, movies have always been director oriented even if there's hero worship to an unimaginable level. Right from Vishwanathan garu, Balachander, Trivikram, Rajamouli, Pa Ranjith, Atlee, Sukumar etc. They are all brands in themselves. But they are not lone warriors. Rajamouli correctly contributes his whole success to his family equally and calls it a process, everyone of them work together to make a film what it is. I think that is where the disconnect in BW is, they pick a good director and leave the rest on their head without proper story, dialogues, screenplay or anything. This also reflects when a South actor is choosing to do a hindi movie.

I hope Jr NTR backs out from War 2. It's got idiocy written all over it.

Originally posted by: atominis

Is it possible that there is an understanding gap due to language barrier and sometimes South stars are not able to judge script or visualise how it will translate onscreen or sound like in Hindi?

I am not sure if Prabhas knows Hindi that well. Does he?

Radheyshayam and Sahoo directors were new comers. Prabhas agreed to those films before Baahubali. He agreed to work with them based on their work which was quite good. However post Baahubali the scenario changed and he scaled up the budget and decided to release the films all over India. Accordingly he chose actors from all over and as a result those films lost their original flavour and the newbie directors couldn't manage the pan India appeal and the changes the story required.

Upcoming films are from Prashant Neel and Nag Ashwin seem to be promising.

Well there is Yash too who has created craze with KGF series and people have compared him to young Amitabh and he did it without SSR or S. Shankar.

Originally posted by: atominis

Well there is Yash too who has created craze with KGF series and people have compared him to young Amitabh and he did it without SSR or S. Shankar.

Mahesh Babu few songs are good. But I don’t think he ever did a Hindi film