Shwetha and Navya get into heated arguement - Page 4

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Where does relativism end?

Some women in really poor countries do not have enough to eat and feed their kids.

Some women in Afghanistan are sold into sex slavery. Are they not expected to complain because they at least can eat?

Are girls who are *married* at 13 less in hardship though they can't be educated or have a say in their own lives?

Are women who go to school but have to cover up completely and cannot pursue careers not expected to complain of hardship because they weren't married as children?

Are women in India who can still go out and follow their own careers not supposed to complain about danger of assault on the streets if they go out?

Women in Russia can have a career and generally be safe on the streets, but they are still used and abused by men around them. Are they not supposed to complain because they have it better than women in India?

Women who live and work in the West get sexist comments at work and face hurdles in career because of their gender. Should we not complain because at least we don't get coerced into sex (most of the time)?

There are women who cross hurdles and get to the upper rungs of their career. Or perhaps they are there already. They face sexism and misogyny every day, and their achievements get dismissed. They shouldn't complain because they're better off than middle-class women?

I mean, isn't it better if we simply admit that yes, there are people who have it worse (or better) than us, but that doesn't invalidate the hardships we face? Or is it just an excuse to shut women up about the problems they face?

Kinda sad, really. The thought process should be there are still problems even if money is taken care of. Society has more work to do for true gender equality.

I mean, would we tell a black executive who's earning in the millions to shut up about discrimination?

Why is it different where women are concerned?

To some extent I understand where you come from. I do not think every 50 YO woman is under pressure of these companies and beauty standards. Must be a high society thing. Otherwise in ordinary or middle class families, women look like anything in 40s or 50s and often get mocked if they do too much make up or go to parlour or want to look younger and are often expected to be simple and act their age once they become moms or grannies or aunts - in many parts of India atleast.

I have not really seen middle aged women so worried about looks except maybe weight or hair colour.

Rich ones or ones in western cultures may probably feel greater pressure as they fear their husband can move on to younger and better looking woman and has more options.

The discussion had nothing to do with women vs others so I’m not sure why it’s becoming about women’s issues here.

I feel like you are conflating two different issues here. No one ever said that the female CEO shouldn’t talk about the sexism and misogyny she faces because she’s rich and powerful. If anything she should talk more about it to show that misogyny happens at every level to everyone. But do you think the misogynistic assholes in her office building disrespect her at the same way that they would disrespect a cleaning lady who lives paycheck to paycheck and has no power to do anything about it? Do you think girls from rich and powerful families in Afghanistan are also kidnapped and sold into sex slavery? Do you think the rich women who have their own cars or chauffeurs in India also have the same fear of being attacked and raped on their way home in the evening? Do you think rich women in Iran or Saudi Arabia don’t get a reprieve from mandatory coverups at least a few months a year when they are on their European vacations? Because they do and their families are actually criticized for it on social media specially in case of Iran.

Money makes a difference!! That’s my whole point.

Of course a rich woman who gets beaten up by her husband is facing a lot of hardship. No one ever said she shouldn’t complain or that she’s not facing a hardship. I’m sorry I wasn’t clear in my other posts and didn’t say “generally speaking.” Every scenario or example has an exception, always!!

Where does relativism end? I don’t know? Maybe with the rich privileged daughter of a superstar who married into an even richer family. No one even said Shweta should shut up. Some took issue with her saying life hasn’t slapped her daughter across the face and from that the question become what hardships she’s faced in her privileged life?

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Kinda sad, really. The thought process should be there are still problems even if money is taken care of. Society has more work to do for true gender equality.

I mean, would we tell a black executive who's earning in the millions to shut up about discrimination?

Why is it different where women are concerned?

No one is saying women should shut up. I’m genuinely perplexed as to why you think that’s what we (or I) are arguing for. I’m saying everyone should acknowledge their privilege.

Speaking of Shweta specifically, again I said she was absolutely right about the argument she made about cosmetics and the pressure women feel. But I don’t think that qualifies her to claim she’s faced hardships in her life, within the context of this argument. I’m not sure if she’s ever actually made that claim.

Originally posted by: atominis

To some extent I understand where you come from. I do not think every 50 YO woman is under pressure of these companies and beauty standards. Must be a high society thing. Otherwise in ordinary or middle class families, women look like anything in 40s or 50s and often get mocked if they do too much make up or go to parlour or want to look younger and are often expected to be simple and act their age once they become moms or grannies or aunts - in many parts of India atleast.

I have not really seen middle aged women so worried about looks except maybe weight or hair colour.

Rich ones or ones in western cultures may probably feel greater pressure as they fear their husband can move on to younger and better looking woman and has more options.

Well, culture and conservatism definitely complicates things.

I come from a culture where with my parents and grandparents generations unmarried girls were seriously discouraged from wearing make up. But times have changed a lot and now a days no one bats and eyelid over it. But a generation or two ago you could wear make up after marriage and then had to become more modest once you hit middle age which is what you are saying as well. Of course immigration to western countries and western media influences at home countries has changed people’s beliefs. Still, even today at some function if a woman my grandma’s age is wearing make up I hear some snide whispers from other women of her age group.

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Arent they all

Is there anyone who Hrithik hasnt had an affair with?

Am i the only person who is very happy with what i see in the mirror, not so much in the camera though, they make me look totally unrecognizable..

Originally posted by: YourCat

Am i the only person who is very happy with what i see in the mirror, not so much in the camera though, they make me look totally unrecognizable..

No I feel the same 😂😂

For majority of my life I haven’t even considered makeup …then I saw a picture of me (without makeup) and some of my other cousins (with makeup) together

I ended up looking like I have a severe iron deficiency 😒😬

I then started getting into skincare (not makeup)…sunscreen, vitamin c and all to improve under eye and pigmentation appearance and just use mascara, eye liner and lipstick …that worked for me in the mirror and in pictures haha

Originally posted by: pathaka

No I feel the same 😂😂

For majority of my life I haven’t even considered makeup …then I saw a picture of me (without makeup) and some of my other cousins (with makeup) together

I ended up looking like I have a severe iron deficiency 😒😬

I then started getting into skincare (not makeup)…sunscreen, vitamin c and all to improve under eye and pigmentation appearance and just use mascara, eye liner and lipstick …that worked for me in the mirror and in pictures haha

dont know why the camera do this, like why cant it just capture things as it is, i tried taking pic of the moon, even then it makes the moon looks obese and weird🤔i gave up long time back with pictures ..