SRK's career without KJo and YRF - what would it be?

Quoted from kingkhan22 (posted in the thread about KJo's next movie - without SRK, btw.):

"Just mimus Kjo and Yrf films from Srk's career and you will practically left with ALL FLOPS and just one hit where he played a villain.

So even without any bias this is a fact that Kjo and yrf films are the only ones which gave Srk all that fame and craze, and what he delivered in those films were hamming or very mediocre acting at its best. ...

And again he was not that famous or popular BEFORE doing Kjo and yrf films which makes for almost 90% of the hit films in his filmography."

Well, let me looking at the facts (with a bias for REAL facts):

green: Looking at BOI as a source for giving the lables (which - for many - reflects the succes at the Hindi - with dubbed films also more or less Indian - Boxoffice):

https://www.boxofficeindia.com/actor.php?actorid=4

SRK had 24 Hit (and higher) movies (without semi-hits) from Deewana to Zero from which 14 he had done either with KJo or YRF...that makes 58% "of hit films in his filmography" (not "almost 90%").

For the black, I have done a little survey with the help of Wikipedia: (Deewana - Darr/ KHKN - DDLJ / RamJaane - DTPH / Duplicate - KKHH/ ). Till KKHH, he had done 3 movies with YRF.

BOI lists 62 movies from Deewana till Zero...minus 14 done with KJo/YRF, that makes 48 movies without KJo directing and YRF being the banner. BOI tells us that SRK had 16 flops (incl. disaster) which makes just one third of these 48 movies - in India!. So much to the "practically all flops and one hit".

For all those who are interested in other facts than the pink "without any bias" fact:

Deewana = "emerged as a major commercial success, becoming the second-highest-grossing film of the year"

RBGG = "The film emerged as a commercial success." RBGG "was released in Japan ... introduced [there] the commercial masala film style, which was well received by Japanese audiences, with the film becoming a commercial success in the country."

MayaMemsaab = "... won the National Film Award – Special Mention (Feature Film)"

KingUncle = "The film was box office success and has since gained cult status, being well received by families and children."

Baazigar = "Khan's breakthrough role as the sole lead. ... Apart from emerging as a major financial success, the film has become a cult film over years."

KHKN = "Produced on a budget of ₹14 million, the film grossed ₹55 million. ... It is widely considered to be one of Khan's best performances."

KaranArjun = "Super Blockbuster" - "the second highest-grossing Bollywood film of 1995"

RamJaane = "was released to a positive reception from audiences and was a commercial success."

EBDM = "It is the third highest-grossing film of 1996 worldwide. ... declared a "Flop" by Box Office India"

Chaahat = "Overseas, It is the 4th-highest-grossing film of 1996. ... was declared "Below Average" by Box Office India."

Koyla = "Critics praised the action sequences performed by Khan, and it emerged as the 8th most successful film of 1997 in India. ... The film shared the record for the highest opening day with the previous record opener Trimurti ... was declared an average grosser."

YesBoss = "proved to be one of the most successful films of the year, and was declared a super-hit." Overseas "it is the 3rd-highest-grossing film of 1997 behind Dil To Pagal Hai and Pardes."

Pardes = "praise for its soundtrack and Khan, Chaudhry, and Agnihotri's performances; ... emerging as a commercial success, and was the fourth highest-grossing Bollywood film of 1997."

Duplicate = "Overseas, it is the 3rd-highest-grossing Bollywood film of 1998 behind Kuch Kuch Hota Hai and Dil Se."

DilSe = "the film is an example of parallel cinema ... moderate success at the domestic box office; however it was a major success overseas...becoming the first Indian film to enter the top 10 in the United Kingdom box office charts,[6] and it was also a hit in Japan."

I did the same for the rest of the filmography (main films) ...if there is interest, I can post it.

Here, I just wanted to show a line of success that may have (from Darr on) a bit to do with YRF but nothing with KJo.

Originally posted by: subhs

Some other production house would have been famous

Right? Raj Kanwar and Aziz Mirza gave hits with SRK. Kundan Shah did as well. Abbas Mastan were already successful, but SRK worked with them too before YRF and Dharma.

The Chopra-Johar gang picked him because they saw potential for themselves to make more money. That's it.

The peeps who think the movies would've been hit with someone else... well, SRK would've been successful with other directors.

Frankly, I think SRK, the actor, lost to the star because of YRF and Dharma. I wish he'd continued his unconventional path.

SRK made KJO and to some extent Yash Raj too ..

Karan Johar directed SOTY which grossed only 60 crore and was an average grosser .. Ae dil hai mushkil just touched 100 crore and was an average grosser ..

Chopra Johar Gang picked him up after he proved to be successful at the box office.

SRK was let down by YRF and Dharma productions whose stories became stale. They had absolutely no connection with the small town India. Even overseas audience got bored by the films made by these two PHs.

He would have taken longer time to reach the top tier but would have reached there with critically acclaimed films with better performances.

Originally posted by: Guddu.Pandit

I haven't come across any hate for MNIK. There might be few who don't like it. Maybe people aren't yet over Rahul & Anjali, so they can't accept them as Rizwan & Mandira.

I have noticed that there is general consensus that MNIK was a bad movie on this forum. Even on this thread someone said that Shah should not have done it

I personally think that MNIK was the best product of the KJO-SRK-Kajol combo. An extremely relevant topic with great scope for performances. Rizwaan Mandira s argument after their son s death is just so heartbreaking. So well done

Rahul and Anjali are very cute. But Rizwan and Mandira are real deal. Raw human characters

When Big B was gone..Careers of all these directors went down.Yash Chopra got back on his feet with Sridevi. and then new superstar SRK.

Yash Chopra and SLB are the few who got a second lease-because they found stars that matched their vision. Look at Kjo..after SRK left..he is now a small director.Adi also lost his aura.

Yash Raj, KJo and Deepika are the three pillars of SRK's career 😎

YRF gave movies to Uday Chopra as well.. I don’t see him being on the same level as SRK..

His movies with YRF and dharma being hit shows his caliber as much as they show yrf and dharmas.. it was a relationship that worked for both parties..

YRF nhi to koi aur hota.. the drive that he has and the hard work that SRK has done, he would have found a way to be successful!!

It was a symbiotic relationship IMO. They both benefitted from each other.

I used to be a huge SRK fan. I have watched some of these films ONLY coz they had SRK in it. I wouldve skipped them otherwise.

Worst experience was dragging family and family friends to watch KANK without proper research. I wanted to dig a hole and die in the theatre only.😆

Originally posted by: Guddu.Pandit

How much this info is authentic, I can't say, I haven't heard this part for KKHH. One thing which I know is, KKHH won't have been possible without Salman, as everybody refuse Karan for the role of Aman in film. Salman met Karan in a party & told him that he will do that role coz he respect Yash Uncle.

Karan has that talent or else he won't be having a 100% Success record for any director, it is rare.

Info is authentic...Karan's father hadn't much faith in his son and SRK was a great support for Karan who saw a lot of underused talent in Karan. He suggested Rani and he talked to Salman and yes, Salman said Karan he would do this cameo.

I don't think that Aditya would have helped Karan with Dharma after YashUncle's death in 2004 even though they are close friends, Fortunately, this question didn't arise. In addition YashUncle had given SRK a say into Dharma before dying (but I guess, SRK isn't using it anymore - if ever he used it).

I don't think in a negative way about SRK's career because he likes working with friends...it's a special kind of working for him...and YashUncle as well as Yashji were father-figures for him and they really loved him like a son.