SRK's career without KJo and YRF - what would it be? - Page 2

Yash Chopra must have been a really bad father🥺......Imagine making a complete outsider a superstar while his own son...his own flesh and blood....Uday Chopra couldn't move forward except a few movies and finally did a side role in the Dhoom series....My heart breaks for Uday ....imagine having such a bad Dad and now even the older brother is no good...🥺

Who does that to their own family??

With due respect, Dharma was always a respectable PH and worked with biggest stars like Amitabh, Zeenat, Shatrughan Sinha, Mithun etc when Yash Johar was spearheading it. It did not become a known name only after SRK worked with them.

One can debate about talent or abilities of Karan Johar but one can never say big stars did not work with Dharma prod earlier.

Karan seems to have learnt a lot from Adi Chopra and Yash Chopra and modeled Dharma along lines of YRF. His clear attempt to copy YRF and Chopras reflects in his films and choice of stars, music and interactions with media. The wannabe Chopra stamp is all over Karan's work except that Chopras were low key irl and Karan is this diva who is overexposed in media as an anchor, social commentator, social butterfly, gossip king and reality show judge.

More than SRK, I feel Chopra stamp and copying them has made Karan take Dharma to higher levels than his dad. SRK of course has a hand and so do Kajol, Big B and Rani in making Karan films so big.

Bachchans have also worked a lot with him due to friendly relations with his dad Yash Johar. Abhishek, Jaya, Amitabh, Ash, no one refused his films. He gets pick of big stars and star kid families be it Hrithik, Saif or Bebo. His family already had that network so it would not be too fair to say only SRK made K Jo.

SRK made Farah Khan though. Otherwise there is NO way a choreographer could turn into a successful director despite her utterly crap filmmaking skills. SRK gave her star power for her films. Even if it meant risking his own credibility with fluffy films when tide ws turning in favour of content oriented films.

Originally posted by: Guddu.Pandit

Sarcasm acha use kar lete ho aap to defend 😆

Defend toh Salman ko bhi bahut kiya hai issi sarcasm se when people say that Salman is a nepo kid.....same thing....kyonki Salim Uncle loves Salman and hates the other 2 sons....issliye Salman is a superstar....aur baaki dono non-star....😆

Nothing irritates me more than people discrediting people of their success and giving credit to some one else....BW mein jo bikta hai wahi dikhta hai.......warna itne bade bade superstars ke bete flop ho kar baithe hain....the truth is no one will put their money on a langda horse.....jaise Yash ji ne paisa lagaya SRK per ...but not on apni khud ki aulaad....😆

Log kehte hain ki SRK dono haath faila kar star ban gaya....Bhai sabke favorites try kar sakte hain....ye alag baat hai ki log chavvani pakda kar chale jaayenge dono haatho mein...🤣

Well, I think, it doesn't need any discussion how movies SRK did with KJo and YRF helped establish a certain image of SRK.

However, with all the arguments, atominis, I got the feeling that you (and others) forget that it is ShahRukh's acting, screen presence, connection with the audience, way he transports emotions, off-screen persona and many other qualities that made an impact (even before Yashji casted him in Darr and KJo directed him in KKHH.

If ShahRukh haven't made such a rave as the mentally disturbed lover (it was HIS portray of Rahul that sidelined Deol's hero-role), do you think that Yashji would have told his son to try to convince ShahRukh to do DDLJ. This man simply knew that SRK had the quality to give a unique portrait to this Raj, especially in connection with Kajol (I bet he had watched Baazigar). In addition, I think, Yashji already had become very fond of ShahRukh.

YashUncle produced Duplicate and although the movie wasn't successful at the domestic BO, he saw those qualities in ShahRukh that made him give to Karan the needed financial support...and his faith in SRK's abilities was rewarded.

So, yes, through the movies done with these two production houses SRK rather quickly attained a position that made the media revel in naming him "Baadshah of Bollywood", "King Khan", "King of Romance".

Yes, atominis, in almost all of SRK's movies, there is a romantic angle...so what? It's mainstream Hindi Cinema...and SRK was always very clear that he wanted to be a larger-than-life star in Mainstream Cinema (which didn't hinder him to also be part of less mainstream movies like Maya Memsaab, ODYHI, Dil Se, Hey Ram, Swades, CDI, Paheli, JHMS and even Fan and Zero).

His action-oriented movies had romance, too...like hundreds and hundreds of Hindi/Indian movies before him. And as he knew that audience loved him in romantic scenes, writers and directors didn't see the need to exclude this trope (and why should they).Still SRK always tried to also choose movies that did not made his romantic avatar as the main plot...and then he even tried to go against his megastar-image.

How often did SRK get praised for his performance as an actor despite the movie not being successful at the domestic boxoffice?

One can argue about ATBB as long as one wishes, that doesn't take anything away from his effectiveness as an actor and filmstar.

Why beleive in ALLEGED things??? That has nothing to do with SRK and his career but with the people who want to believe in ALLEGED things.

There are a lot of valid posts, I think!

But honestly, when stating that SRK got five movies at once by those who know him from TV, why should he then not have become a successful actor also without YRF and Aditya's cousin Karan - in the long run?

I think, the best argument concerning the collaboration with both is that they mutually benefitted from this collaboration...none of both MADE SRK and in any way, kingkhan's arguments I cited and refuted in the first post, are simply false (how many times ever members repeat the blockbuster argument).

But maybe some just aren't inclined to accept this?

And as some still bring Salman and Aamir in the arguments: both are what today is called "nepo-kids"...SRK definitely wasn't (despite all the connections he may have had because of his mother./father..).

Originally posted by: Ahana_Sehgal21

SRK made KJO and to some extent Yash Raj too ..

Karan Johar directed SOTY which grossed only 60 crore and was an average grosser .. Ae dil hai mushkil just touched 100 crore and was an average grosser ..

SRK made Yashraj? u got any idea how big diverse and successful company it is

Nobody made anyone.. they all formed a relationship everyone benefited from.. YRF was giving flops before Darr.. they found success with Shah and never felt the need to look back.. they didn't look for other actors not because they wanted to "make" Shah or because they loved him.. he fit the bill of their romantic hero and brought back money.. win win

Karan practically launched Dharma's second innings with KKHH.. dharma wasn't a big name in any way.. Shah delivered then too and the rest is history

Saying what if Shah did not have YRF or Dharma is pretty much the same like saying what if Akki hadn't done action or later patriotic movies, what if Salman hadn't debuted with MPK or what if he wasn't Saleem's son . (No, i dont think Salman's success is due to his father but we all know that his father did call up producers to cast him after his debut)..

No body made anyone.. They all found a setting that worked for eceryone and tasted incredible success

Originally posted by: Guddu.Pandit

What has Khan Saab without DDLJ in 90s?

His 2nd biggest grosser is - KKHH (Dharma)

His 3rd biggest grosser is = DTPH (YRF)

In 90s, he has only 1 Karan Arjun which was on par success with DDLJ, and agar aap DDLJ bhi dekho, woh bhi YRF hai.

Ghantaa kuch nahi Khan saab ke paas without these 2 studios.

Your statements assume no reaction from SRK if he didn't get those films. He would've done other films.

I mean... it's like asking would Amitabh have been successful without Manmohan Desai?

Salman without Barjatya?

Madhuri without Subhash Ghai?

If those people didn't get those directors, they would've gone to someone else. They already had the talent (whatever kind it may be) and the drive. Only opportunity was provided by director/producers.

Originally posted by: Clochette

Thanks for your suggestion, Guddu. I was a bit weary of the repeated statements that SRK would be "nothing" without the work he had done with KJo and YRF, that's why I dared to make a thread about. I like the thread title you suggest (it is far better 😊 ). If you yourself don't want to do it, then (maybe) I will do it some time or someone else can do it 😊.

YRF is different since they were long established studio

But this brand name KJO. Srk has a hand in making him Karan into KJO. For that reason I never say SRK owes career to Karan. It doesn’t make sense to even say that

Yes SRK is famous because of his directors , producers, co-actors, singers, writers etc etc .

Baaki sab khud acting ke saath saath production n direction bhi karte hain. Koi co-actors bhi nahi hota . Gaana bhi khud gaa lete hain