"Blinders" about Blinds - Page 4

Originally posted by: Scarlet.ferro

I don't even live in India. Never understood the hype it has 🤣 trust me I don't care if he was there or not.. better if latter 😆

Anyway. You are right. May be I phrased it wrong. He had validation and recognition in public. Definately did and hence the massive emotional outburst on his demise. I was talking about unfair treatment and lack of recognition on bollywood's behalf which noone can deny.

Lack of recognition by whom? Just KJO and Gang and YRF? Are they equivalent to whole Bollywood? Sushant worked with top production houses like Fox, Balaji, UTV, Sajid Nadiadwala, T-Series etc, he worked with acclaimed directors like Neeraj Pandey, Dibakar Bannerjee, Nitesh Tiwari, he worked with prominent actresses, apparently SLB offered him Ram Leela, Oscar nominated Shekhar Kappoor took him in Pani. Clearly all these people recognized his talent and considered him worthy. All his Co-Stars have spoken highly of him. So I ask again who ignored him and did not recognize his talent? Most people seem to site KJO not inviting him for KWK, not inviting him for parties, the so called "nepo gang" not praising him as examples of his "unfair treatment". Is their validation so important when clearly there were others who have appreciated him.

I am not saying SSR has faced no discrimination. He probably struggled a lot to make his place in this big bad industry. I am sure he came across biased, unfair people and practices. What I am taking about is a blanket statement being passed around that "Bollywood" was unfair to him and did not recognize him.

Despite nomination, kai Po che didn't get him 'highly acclaimed awards'.

If dhoni's success was solely on mahi's craze (a huge fan , bdw) then vivek Oberoi's pm biopic or whatever that was should have been a blockbuster!!

The Vivek Oberoi film was literally a B-Grade movie and from the promos itself looked like a propaganda film. I don't think anyone considered that as an actual biopic of Modi. The movie still has to be entertaining and well made for people to watch it. I am sure if a proper biopic was ever made the results would be different. I am not singling out SSR. The nature of biopics is such that one of the main USPs of the movies is their actual subject matter. I would say the same about Sanju. Ranbir was brilliant, but I am sure a lot of people went to see it out of curiosity about Sanjay Dutt's life. Tomorrow if someone made a biopic on Trump or Obama, don't you think people's interest in these people would have a huge bearing on the success of the films?

Star screen was the only award he had ever received in his entire career. If not all but many will agree that he deserved more. But again, the awards are anyway rigged and again we have come full circle . Chalo fine they didn't fine him worthy enough for a Filmfare , but suraj Pancholi? Seriously?

I agree Irrfan khan deserved the Filmfare best actor but if sara coulld win the award, Sushant certainly deserved a nomination.

Chicchore was a brilliant movie. I don't remember any award that was given to him on that. Chalo leave that too.

Bhumi got nominated for Sonchiraiya . Why wasn't Sushant nominated then? They could have given all of the awards to gully boy for all I cared but he did deserve a nomination.

This does not mean he wasn't successful. Success doesn't really have anything to do with rigged awards. But to not even put him in nomination despite being worthy of it is what I am talking about.

We all need validation and recognition from our workplace irrespective of countless appreciation from others. Everyone kept saying he was above all this and he didn't care about it but at the end , he was human.

I think we both agree that Bollywood award shows are a sham. So many actors have spoken about how they don't really value the awards because it is ultimately given based on who attends the awards or who pays the most for it. Very rarely has the most deserving person ever won. Even then who is to say who is most deserving? I might feel Amitabh deserved it, you may feel Sushant deserved it, someone else may feel Ranveer deserved it. Art is subjective so there is no right answer to who is the most deserving. Sushant was nominated for 3 of his most critically acclaimed films, which means his performance was recognized as being among the top 4-5 performances of the year.

Yes Nitesh Tiwari chose Sushant on his talent but the movie was marketed as Dangal director's second movie!! I have myself read it in so many articles.

How many times have you seen this happening? Was dear zindagi called a gauri shinde movie or SRK movie?

I guess it depends on the director and how acclaimed he is? Highway was marketed as an Imtiaz Ali fim, student of the year was marketed as a Karan Johar film, Rajkumar Hirani, SLB, Anurag Kashyap, Zoya Akhtar are all examples of directors who get top billing in the marketing of their films almost as much as the leading actors. When these directors release films media does talk about Karan Johar's new film or SLBs new film etc.

Why are there only handful of articles (if any) that praised Sushant as an actor and plathora of those that defamed him?

Most articles praising an actor is the work of their own PR. I would blame Sushant's PR for this. They should have been more aggressive in promoting the critical acclaims that he got, and making sure there are enough positive articles out there about him. That's precisely what these PR firms are hired to do and if they din't do that well then I say they failed him.

Originally posted by: bips

If a woman in an abusive relationship commits suicide do we raise the question that so many women are abused daily, do all of them kill themselves?? No. So whats the big deal

This is obviously an extreme example but the point is that the practice of blinds (whether bollywood or Hollywood) is dangerous. Bec without name one doesn't need to attach any evidence to attack a person

Was blinds the reason for his suicide? Probably no. But he was obviously going through some sort of mental issues and this in all probability did contribute to his deteriorating health

Plus we have people like kjo and rk going on record about how they feed stuff to their friends in the media. If you look at the larger picture and piece together individual revelations, you'll notice how some people wield an enormous influence on other's career and public image.

Its pretty clear that sushant was targeted esp since every blind is the exact opposite of his actual personality. The fact that other people in the industry are unfairly reported does not make what happened to him ok.

I honestly don't know if anything concrete is going to happen from all this rage but if at the bare minimum it stops this system of blinds where the person who prints trash is not held accountable, it will be a step in the right direction.

I agree with your points. No where am I saying that blind items are ok or what happened with SSR is fine. I am totally for blind items being stopped and the media being held accountable for what they print.

My point is regarding the arguments that "Sushant had the worst blinds about him", "only outsiders have nasty blinds", "only outsiders are affected by blinds" etc. Just because KJO and RK have spoken openly about spreading gossip does not mean they are the only ones who do it and are the ones behind all the blinds. I am sure all PR agencies target each other's clients. Media probably makes up a lot of stuff themselves.

Blind items are NOT OK whether it's against an "outsider" or "insider" . My question is why there is selective outrage against blinds about some people while claiming that blinds about others are not a big deal.

Originally posted by: Sharpener

I am yet to see these blinds about Aishwarya and Amitabh having a daughter, can't find them anywhere.

Also, how many of these blinds against insiders & nepo kids are serious crime allegations? Blinds about insiders vs blinds about outsiders are completely poles apart. A blind about Ranbir having a one night stand has no damage to his professional oppurtunites but a blind about Sushant sexually assaulting his co-star, that too durinf a me too movement would totally ruin both his personal and professional life.

Blinds about being high on drugs is not a criminal allegation? 😕 Last I checked drugs were still illegal in India. What about blinds about asking actresses to sleep with them for roles? Do you consider that criminal?

Originally posted by: Scarlet.ferro

That is exactly what I am trying to say too. Blinds are blinds! Irrespective of who is on the receiving end.

But all these people didn't really have anything to lose even if people believed Amitabh had a daughter with Aishwarya (gross) or ranbir has nogh stands with his friend's girlfriends or even if he was an addict. Sanjay Dutt indeed was one. What happened ? He is just as famous, rich , and now even whitewashed with his biopic.

Sushant (and people like him) came from a very different background and had worked so so hard to reach where he was .. all these blinds had the potential to literally destroy him. Take away everything that he had built with his hardwork.

How casual do you think sexual harassment accusation is for it to not take a toll on someone's mind? With everything coming back to back on him , this could have been the nail on the coffin.

No amount of clarification would have helped had he been alive.

Did it push him on the edge? Probably yes

Probably no. But if people are believing that depression was real , they better acknowledge the probable reasons for it too.

The Me Too allegation against Sushant was horrible. I say it again, the media should not be allowed to make such serious allegations without proof.

However, I don't agree that people like Amitabh have nothing to lose while people like Sushant have a lot to lose. The blind items are meant for the general public. The main effect of a blind item is it can shape public's perception about you as a person. The blind items more often than not directly target a person's character or work ethic. So a blind claiming that Amitabh behaved inappropriately with Deepika and one claiming Sushant behaved inappropriately with Sanjana both will have the same effect that is making their subject look like perverts. Who are we to say that Amitabh does not care about his reputation and was not affected mentally by the blinds. ?

However, the Indian public have shown time and again that their memory is short and blinds do not change their opinion about watching an actor's films.. Which is why Sushant's movie Chichore and Kedarnath which released after the blind items still went on to become a hit, Salman gave super hits in spite of killing people, Sanjay Dutt still gave hits after going to jail on terrorism charges.

Did the blind items affect Sushant mentally?- Most probably

Did it contribute to his depression? - Possibly

Did it contribute to his death ?- Maybe

Did it affect his personal life ?- Does not look like it. He was still dating Rhea after the blind

Did it affect him professionally ?- Not sure. Sanjana refuted the statement, the cast and crew stood by him. His movie became a hit, he had another film waiting for release and one that he was scheduled to start shooting. The current known facts show that there seems to be no professional impact. However, we don't know if something turns up.

Originally posted by: Bulbbul_Pandey

posters here loved doing threads with links from reddit/quora/facebook of "blind items" written by anonymous accounts.. that isn't the "blind articles" that is being discussed post Sushant's death...

people are against blind articles published in professional news sites written by journalists who are colluding with certain gang of Bollywood to run a smear campaign..

Amitabh having affair with Aishwarya wasn't a legit blind item (i can't find a legit link anywhere) published like fake rumours involving Sushant by industry insider "media people" ...

it was just written by a rando on the internet and haters and people who love to think Bollywood is some sort of a depraved place full of daily orgies picked it up and ran with it...

Ok then lets take an example of a blind item on a "legit website". During Piku a lot of legit websites printed that Amitabh had misbehaved with Deepika and that she had excluded him from the Piku success party because of that. This was exactly the same as the allegation on Sushant except that there was no "MeToo" movement then so it did not get a tag.

Are people willing to protest on behalf of Amitabh as well and question why they printed this about him? Are people willing to consider this as a smear campaign against Amitabh? Or is it fine if it's Amitabh but not fine if it's SSR?

Leave everything aside tell me which A list actor was accused of something as severe as Me too? Just that Me too blind is enough for people to be angry.

Also it doesn't matter if other actors are attacked by blinds equally ( although I think most people noticed that Sushant was fav bakra for these blind writers) The point is it affected him and possibly lead to his degrading mental health.

Originally posted by: ninny

Leave everything aside tell me which A list actor was accused of something as severe as Me too? Just that Me too blind is enough for people to be angry.

Amitabh was accused of behaving inappropriately with Deepika on the sets of Piku. This was before the Metoo movement so it did not get the "MeToo" tag. However, it's exactly the same thing as what SSR was accused of.

Akshay has a MeToo blind about him that said he paid off the actress to keep quite

Pretty sure I have read blinds about Ranveer or Ranbir, don't remember which one, sleeping with a fan and then dumping them. That's sexual exploitation as well.

Akshay, Ajay have blinds about sleeping with small actresses and in exchange taking them or recommending them in their films. That's sexual exploitation at work place.

I dont think people realise what it's like for an actual good person to be falsely accused of sexual assault.

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

Ok then lets take an example of a blind item on a "legit website". During Piku a lot of legit websites printed that Amitabh had misbehaved with Deepika and that she had excluded him from the Piku success party because of that. This was exactly the same as the allegation on Sushant except that there was no "MeToo" movement then so it did not get a tag.

Are people willing to protest on behalf of Amitabh as well and question why they printed this about him? Are people willing to consider this as a smear campaign against Amitabh? Or is it fine if it's Amitabh but not fine if it's SSR?

You do realize that no blinds can harm you if you're an insider? Forget about blinds but even real incidents don't harm insiders. I mean look at Salman Khan, that guy goes to jail in between movie shootings 😆. And Sanjay Dutt wins a Filmfare best actor after coming out of jail for terrorism involvement 😆 Sushant was never an insider and there's no way that these allegations didn't affect his personal or professional life.

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

Amitabh was accused of behaving inappropriately with Deepika on the sets of Piku. This was before the Metoo movement so it did not get the "MeToo" tag. However, it's exactly the same thing as what SSR was accused of.

Akshay has a MeToo blind about him that said he paid off the actress to keep quite

Pretty sure I have read blinds about Ranveer or Ranbir, don't remember which one, sleeping with a fan and then dumping them. That's sexual exploitation as well.

Akshay, Ajay have blinds about sleeping with small actresses and in exchange taking them or recommending them in their films. That's sexual exploitation at work place.

These actors have extremely good PR and rumors like these are swept under the carpet even before they touch them. For eg: how many of them are actually asked such humiliating questions during press conferences? Sushant was made to answer on Me too allegations during Kedarnath trailer launch. Poor guy was so disturbed and flustered. Also all this happened when Me too was hot topic. Also all this wasn't just limited till blinds. Some news portals went on to name Sushant in their articles and change the narrative saying Sanjana accused him. There was also a trend on Twitter where some blue tick accounts shamed him for Me Too.Has this ever happened to any of these actors you mentioned? Even after the actress gave clarification and denied any such incident of molestation the me too stories still popped up time to time.