BOI on Nepotism - Its A Problem everywhere - Page 7

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

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Yes. There are opportunities. But as I said, in low budget (what we call B grade) movies. Why is Ayushman mocked as "Gareebon Ka Superstar"? It is because of the kind of film he gets. Yes, he proves his mettle in them like how Vidya Balan did. But Vidya could not get Katrina/Kareena's movies (even before her weight gain) and Ayushman cannot get Ranbir or Tiger's big budget movies.

Same with Rajeev, Sanya. Yes, they would get roles. But not what insider gets. Sanya cannot get Kalank. Forget Ranbir, Rajeev cannot even get what Abhishek Bacchan gets, even if he can draw more audience than him.

Ayushmann is getting plenty of big budget movies today, he is just not interested in doing the massy films like a Baaghi, etc. He has said many times that he wants to own the quirky, social drama space. That is his choice not a lack of opportunities. For example, Kartik is interested in the massy space so that's exactly what he is pursuing.

After her debut, Vidya got a LRMB, Bhool Bhulaiya, Heyy Babyy, Kismat Konnection which were all equivalent to the films Katrina/Kareena were doing at the time. She has spoken about how she was criticized and not accepted in this space which is why she then chose to venture off into less conventional films.

Who is Rajeev? Sanya is obviously not going to get a Kalank, she's just debuted in 2018. It took Deepika eight and Alia nine years of success to get a massive period drama. Besides, Sanya has clearly chosen some less mainstream films like Patakha and Photograph even after a Dangal/BH so maybe she is not as interested in the massy space.

If you prove yourself as a sellable name, then you will get big opportunities, insider or not. Just look at Kriti - she was launched under the NGE banner and has gotten a successful mix of big budget massy films and performance oriented roles. Her opportunities are easily comparable to an insider like Shraddha who came before her.

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

Basically Kareena always carried hype in media, despite flops. People like Vidya and Amrita Rao were kept at bay. Vidya survived. Amrita Rao vanished.

Amrita Rao said she was too good to have sex on screen. 🤣

Originally posted by: HugeScarcity

Ayushmann is getting plenty of big budget movies today, he is just not interested in doing the massy films like a Baaghi, etc. He has said many times that he wants to own the quirky, social drama space. That is his choice not a lack of opportunities. For example, Kartik is interested in the massy space so that's exactly what he is pursuing.

After her debut, Vidya got a LRMB, Bhool Bhulaiya, Heyy Babyy, Kismat Konnection which were all equivalent to the films Katrina/Kareena were doing at the time. She has spoken about how she was criticized and not accepted in this space which is why she then chose to venture off into less conventional films.

Who is Rajeev? Sanya is obviously not going to get a Kalank, she's just debuted in 2018. It took Deepika eight and Alia nine years of success to get a massive period drama. Besides, Sanya has clearly chosen some less mainstream films like Patakha and Photograph even after a Dangal/BH so maybe she is not as interested in the massy space.

If you prove yourself as a sellable name, then you will get big opportunities, insider or not. Just look at Kriti - she was launched under the NGE banner and has gotten a successful mix of big budget massy films and performance oriented roles. Her opportunities are easily comparable to an insider like Shraddha who came before her.

People like Ayushman and Vidya saying, they are not interested in commercial movies show they are content with what they have and trying to excel in their genre.

But only people who can choose (commercial or art movies) are the commercially hit stars, be it Amitabh, Amir or Hritik. If Ayushman can deliver few commercially hit movies and then say he is not interested, it is believable. But will he get a chance? Will someone offer him? In director's meet KJo said, he should not expect mainstream stars' remuneration. Hirani said, remuneration depends on budget of the movie (and high budget movies will not be offered to these stars).

Yes. After her debut, Vidya got a LRMB, Bhool Bhulaiya, Heyy Babyy, Kismat Konnection. Did audience reject her in them? No. They were commercial hits.

Then who trolled her repeatedly? She was made to feel miserable in western outfit. She was presented Nariyal award for worst dressing. (This never not happened to Kajol). Vidya was told, she looked older than Shahid in Kismet Konnection. Kareena looked older than Shahid too (in Fiza). But nobody called her out. (In fact, every female lead except Amrita looked older than Shahid, as he had a baby face). Basically, Vidya and Amrita were sidelined despite delivering hits. Kareena, Aishwarya were hailed, even when they were giving flops. Aishwarya's statue was in Madam Tussauds before Khans, before she gave any memorable movie. It is not people, it is media which generates hype. That media is controlled by few people.

I do agree. Sid and Fawad have been exceptions who got good launch, and top female leads. Unfortunately, both of them had limitations. Sid does not have versetality. Fawad had his own inhibitions + Pakistan factor. But most other outsiders never got this luxury.

It is four years since Sanya debuted (Dangal was released in 2016). In four years, Alia had 2 States, HSKD, High way and Dear Zindagi.

I don’t think people understand the current climate and what the issue is.

The issue isn’t nepotism per se. we know that all star kids will get a chance to debut. However the audiences should decide if they like someone or not

When it comes to Alia, everything is manufactured. They make movies for her, they steal movies for her and then they make her PR to make everything seem fair and natural. THAT is what is unfair. Fine introduce them, but let them figure out their own journey. In Alia’s case they were able to exaggerate her so called talent while suppressing outsiders. Same narrative is helping Janhvi, Sara and Ananya.

Alia has not had received even 1 Project on merit! She would have zero projects if Karan didn’t help her, we all know that

You see an Esha Deol can still get work today. But she never forced herself on the audiences. There’s a difference in getting work because of nepotism and it’s a completely different thing controlling the industry like a movie mafia. We must learn the difference. Please mind the gap .

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan

When it comes to Alia, everything is manufactured. They make movies for her, they steal movies for her and then they make her PR to make everything seem fair and natural. THAT is what is unfair. Fine introduce them, but let them figure out their own journey. In Alia’s case they were able to exaggerate her so called talent while suppressing outsiders. Same narrative is helping Janhvi, Sara and Ananya.

You keep saying this repeatedly and fine let's say we accepted that Karan was pulling other's movies for Alia but I don't see that happening for Janhvi, Sara, and Ananya.

3 out of 4 of Janhvi's films are Dharma. She is a Dharma talent so that is just Karan casting her in-house, which is no different from a Ranveer/Parineeti/Vaani doing YRF or Kriti doing Maddock films.

Sara's films are all with different producers so clearly there is no one solely pushing her and they are just casting her because they are interested in her. Also, no evidence of any snatching.

With Ananya, 3 out of 5 films are Dharma (same argument as Janhvi) and the other two there have been no reports of anyone else in talks for those films before. Before you say she snatched PPAW, Taapsee has gone on record to say that she was locked for Bhumi's role: https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/bollywood/story/taapsee-pannu-on-pati-patni-aur-woh-row-i-told-bhumi-pednekar-it-was-not-her-fault-1469740-2019-03-04

Where is the foul play? If these films work and the audiences accept them in their roles, then they will make their mark and will be figuring out their own journey as you say.

Originally posted by: HugeScarcity

Where is the foul play? If these films work and the audiences accept them in their roles, then they will make their mark and will be figuring out their own journey as you say.

No foul play anywhere 😆

Originally posted by: HugeScarcity

You keep saying this repeatedly and fine let's say we accepted that Karan was pulling other's movies for Alia but I don't see that happening for Janhvi, Sara, and Ananya.

3 out of 4 of Janhvi's films are Dharma. She is a Dharma talent so that is just Karan casting her in-house, which is no different from a Ranveer/Parineeti/Vaani doing YRF or Kriti doing Maddock films.

Sara's films are all with different producers so clearly there is no one solely pushing her and they are just casting her because they are interested in her. Also, no evidence of any snatching.

With Ananya, 3 out of 5 films are Dharma (same argument as Janhvi) and the other two there have been no reports of anyone else in talks for those films before. Before you say she snatched PPAW, Taapsee has gone on record to say that she was locked for Bhumi's role: https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/bollywood/story/taapsee-pannu-on-pati-patni-aur-woh-row-i-told-bhumi-pednekar-it-was-not-her-fault-1469740-2019-03-04

Where is the foul play? If these films work and the audiences accept them in their roles, then they will make their mark and will be figuring out their own journey as you say.

I said the same narrative is helping Sara, Ananya and Janhvi. That doesn’t mean they have the exact same pathway. But you can’t deny Alu has paved the way for more politics and projects to be manipulated.

Also, Taapsee very clearly went on record to say she was thrown out of a movie and that she was replaced by a star daughter. If she’s changing her statement now we know why

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan

I said the same narrative is helping Sara, Ananya and Janhvi. That doesn’t mean they have the exact same pathway. But you can’t deny Alu has paved the way for more politics and projects to be manipulated.

Also, Taapsee very clearly went on record to say she was thrown out of a movie and that she was replaced by a star daughter. If she’s changing her statement now we know why

This kind of power play has existed long before Alia, Karan, etc. were around. It is just how hierarchical systems work. Those with the most power have the ability to make things happen their way. You can even see this in how many films Dharmendra was able to make happen with Hema Malini. For almost two decades now, the male superstars like Salman, Aamir, SRK have been able to bring in whatever actors they want so this politics or manipulation is not anything recent.

Yes, Taapsee has said that she has been replaced by star kids but it was not in relation to PPAW. She spoke out about PPAW and how the producers replaced her with Bhumi almost over a year and half back. More than anything, it is the producers and superstars who have been playing these games for decades.

Originally posted by: HugeScarcity

This kind of power play has existed long before Alia, Karan, etc. were around. It is just how hierarchical systems work. Those with the most power have the ability to make things happen their way. You can even see this in how many films Dharmendra was able to make happen with Hema Malini. For almost two decades now, the male superstars like Salman, Aamir, SRK have been able to bring in whatever actors they want so this politics or manipulation is not anything recent.

Yes, Taapsee has said that she has been replaced by star kids but it was not in relation to PPAW. She spoke out about PPAW and how the producers replaced her with Bhumi almost over a year and half back. More than anything, it is the producers and superstars who have been playing these games for decades.

Bhumi or Ananya replaced Tapsee in PPAW ?

Originally posted by: HugeScarcity

This kind of power play has existed long before Alia, Karan, etc. were around. It is just how hierarchical systems work. Those with the most power have the ability to make things happen their way. You can even see this in how many films Dharmendra was able to make happen with Hema Malini. For almost two decades now, the male superstars like Salman, Aamir, SRK have been able to bring in whatever actors they want so this politics or manipulation is not anything recent.

Yes, Taapsee has said that she has been replaced by star kids but it was not in relation to PPAW. She spoke out about PPAW and how the producers replaced her with Bhumi almost over a year and half back. More than anything, it is the producers and superstars who have been playing these games for decades.

I don’t think you’re understanding the point. We’re not stupid, we know such power plays exist however. There has been nobody in the industry who has received so much support and help in being a pseudo fake number one actress like Alia.

Literally nobody. There’s been lots of nepo kids but this one is a whole other case, we all know it’s

And even if this has happened before, that’s not an excuse to be okay with it. If people are now raising their voice against such practices one should support them instead of saying “it’s been happening forever “ or “ nepotism is okay if the person is talented”