Vivek oberoi's most matured post on SSR demise - Page 3

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

I kinda understand when people say "suicide is never a solution", but people also easily forget for someone who's going theough the bottom of the abyss "death" seems like the ONLY solution!

Suicide is never a solution comes off like you're shaming the victim for not having the will to sustain! Will kaha se laaye when someone's got none of that during their end times.

Killing yourself has to be the most terrifying step ever for anyone!

Why would anyone want to kill themselves when there's so much to life?! Ofc for that person "there isn't much to life" hence the step closer to death!

I wish people would NOT preach with "suicide isn't a solution" rather spread awareness how not to shame someone contemplating about not having much to life for.

Be the support, be the guiding eyes and ears, be there for someone going through depression so they can find the very hope they are lacking! :)

Otherwise more power to Vivek for not losing hope and finding the light in the deepest pit of darkness!

@bold. No, this is about telling others who might be contemplating the same not to.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

Words matter but more than words it's the vibe because energy never lies isn't it ? Did u feel like Vivek was putting Sushant as someone weak ? I don't think so. He himself has gone through such phase and he was just feeling helpless like most of us feel in Sushant s case.

I got the vibe THAT IS why I have repeatedly mentioned that I understand his intentions. But you don’t say ‘Death is never the answer. Suicide is not the solution. I wish he stopped to think about his family, friends and fans’.

It is so easy to deviate from the main point. Raise awareness about mental health, don’t talk about he shouldn’t have ended his life as a way to fix his problems’. It’s pretty patronising, especially when you follow it up with the whole think of your family drama. It just makes his death look selfish and cowardly. I don’t care what the vibe is. If the sentence can be misconstrued than change the way you word things. That’s all I ask.

I understand what Vivek meant. I was in similar condition few years back. My life was horrible due to unemployment. I did not wanted to live. But I could not kill myself too. I had survived this period thanks to my family and some friends.

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

Though I appreciate his post and how he shed light on some important topics, I’m just about at my wits end with the constant suicide shaming that happens due to ignorance. I’m not saying that it’s intentional but it isn’t helpful in bringing awareness to the issue if you are going to downplay the act as merely a bad decision. It is so much more complex than that.

Let’s consider something here and put it into perspective. You have a severe peanut allergy and once consumed, in a matter of second or minutes you can go into anaphylaxis shock. You accidentally eat a dish that has peanuts and within seconds you start to feel itchy, your throat begins to feel tight and you realise that it’s becoming harder to breathe. A sudden drop of blood pressure has you feeling extremely dizzy and at this point you’re fighting to remain conscious. Your heart is beating frantically, but the panic is starting to become worse. You can’t breathe. The swelling of your airways is making you gasp for breath, it feels like you’re going to suffocate to death. Without an epipen, if essential medical care is not received than within 15-20 minutes may result in fatality. Now imagine the terror of this situation. You can’t breathe, your throat is closing up on you. You can’t breathe! Could you imagine how terrifying the prospect of death is? Who would willingly want to experience that right? Well that’s not how it works with someone suffering from major depression.

With the diagnosis of Depression, the individual may be suffering from depressed mood and/or no longer find joy in activities that they once loved. They may deal with sleep disturbances, appetite loss or change, lethargy, feelings of worthlessness, diminished ability to think or make decisions, and may have recurrent thoughts of death/suicide ideation. You are dealing with ruminative thoughts ‘I’m a failure. It’s my fault. Nothing good ever happens to me. I’m worthless. Life’s not worth living. People would be better off without me’. Nobody enjoys having that kind of thought process. No one willingly makes themselves that miserable. Do you think people suffering from depression want to feel miserable all the time? Do you think they want to feel hopeless? Do you think they want to be in pain everyday? Doesn’t everyone want to feel in control of their lives, thoughts and emotions? You can’t just tell someone with depression to snap out of it, and to think about their family/friends and fans. Sushant would have loved his family, friends and fans. He would have thought about them. But he was living with the pain and the spiral of dark thoughts. In situations like this, people feel alone. Can you take into perspective how less precious life can feel for someone with depression, especially when they feel hopeless and can no longer see a future. The pain, the sadness, the thoughts, can become burdensome to them. They start to believe that they have become a burden to others.

Prior to his diagnosis or before his condition worsened, Sushant would have probably thought the same as Vivek with the quote ‘death is not the answer’. But as the ruminative thoughts increases and everyday of living with the pain starts to feel burdensome, suicide can be perceived as the only solution. Of course, we who cannot truly empathise with his condition, can see multiple avenues of help and support that could have been available to him. However if you educate yourselves in the prognosis of depression, you would know that people with this condition experience difficulty thinking, concentrating and making decisions. At times, the negative thoughts and the low mood takes over your life and it becomes difficult to break out of it. Especially taking into consideration that lock-down not only forces you into isolation but dangerously limits progress for vulnerable people like Sushant. For him, ending his life may have been perceived as the only way to stop feeling the pain anymore. Unless diagnosed with depression, nobody and I repeat nobody can even imagine the extent of pain a person must be suffering for them to seek death as a way to end it. My heart screams in sorrow knowing that a person is capable of feeling that level of hopelessness.

I appreciate the sentiments Vivek tried to portray in his post. But please educate yourselves in this matter before posting about it. Learn how to identify the signs of suicide ideation rather than preaching about it not being the solution. You are not suffering from depression. Suicide is not the solution for you. Sushant was suffering from depression. Suicide may have been the only solution that he could think of. When you can’t put yourself in someone else’s shoes than at the very least don’t shame the act with ignorance. Start thinking about why suicide became an option for him. Educate yourself on understanding the condition. Learn about what kind of support should be given and what the signs/symptoms look like. Maybe with that knowledge, we can save a life instead.

Thank you for writing this. ❤️

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

I kinda understand when people say "suicide is never a solution", but people also easily forget for someone who's going theough the bottom of the abyss "death" seems like the ONLY solution!

Suicide is never a solution comes off like you're shaming the victim for not having the will to sustain! Will kaha se laaye when someone's got none of that during their end times.

Killing yourself has to be the most terrifying step ever for anyone!

Why would anyone want to kill themselves when there's so much to life?! Ofc for that person "there isn't much to life" hence the step closer to death!

I wish people would NOT preach with "suicide isn't a solution" rather spread awareness how not to shame someone contemplating about not having much to life for.

Be the support, be the guiding eyes and ears, be there for someone going through depression so they can find the very hope they are lacking! :)

Otherwise more power to Vivek for not losing hope and finding the light in the deepest pit of darkness!

Well said ❤️

A lot of people who write that 'suicide is not a solution' are correct in their own perspective. A layman would never know what someone goes through (medically) when they are undergoing severe depression. Only a therapist or a mental health care professional can really explain why someone decides to take their life.

But for an ordinary person, who goes through their own shares of struggle and strife, it must come as a shock, that someone like Sushant, who was highly educated, young, good-looking, relatively successful, came from a stable middle-class background, decided that life was simply not worth living.

The only thing we know for sure was that he was undergoing treatment for depression, but we know nothing about the severity of his case. Many people are treated for depression and they never even think about ending their lives. That I believe is what most people think is the case. Hence, the outpouring of shock and grief, as to why he was compelled to end his life. Why didn't he think of his old father and his loving sisters? Why didn't he get out of the industry and go back to Television or even Engineering?

The reaction coming out might be ignorant, but it is coming from a place of genuine love and sorrow for a young, deserving man, who was dealt a very unfair hand.

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

Though I appreciate his post and how he shed light on some important topics, I’m just about at my wits end with the constant suicide shaming that happens due to ignorance. I’m not saying that it’s intentional but it isn’t helpful in bringing awareness to the issue if you are going to downplay the act as merely a bad decision. It is so much more complex than that.

Let’s consider something here and put it into perspective. You have a severe peanut allergy and once consumed, in a matter of second or minutes you can go into anaphylaxis shock. You accidentally eat a dish that has peanuts and within seconds you start to feel itchy, your throat begins to feel tight and you realise that it’s becoming harder to breathe. A sudden drop of blood pressure has you feeling extremely dizzy and at this point you’re fighting to remain conscious. Your heart is beating frantically, but the panic is starting to become worse. You can’t breathe. The swelling of your airways is making you gasp for breath, it feels like you’re going to suffocate to death. Without an epipen, if essential medical care is not received than within 15-20 minutes may result in fatality. Now imagine the terror of this situation. You can’t breathe, your throat is closing up on you. You can’t breathe! Could you imagine how terrifying the prospect of death is? Who would willingly want to experience that right? Well that’s not how it works with someone suffering from major depression.

With the diagnosis of Depression, the individual may be suffering from depressed mood and/or no longer find joy in activities that they once loved. They may deal with sleep disturbances, appetite loss or change, lethargy, feelings of worthlessness, diminished ability to think or make decisions, and may have recurrent thoughts of death/suicide ideation. You are dealing with ruminative thoughts ‘I’m a failure. It’s my fault. Nothing good ever happens to me. I’m worthless. Life’s not worth living. People would be better off without me’. Nobody enjoys having that kind of thought process. No one willingly makes themselves that miserable. Do you think people suffering from depression want to feel miserable all the time? Do you think they want to feel hopeless? Do you think they want to be in pain everyday? Doesn’t everyone want to feel in control of their lives, thoughts and emotions? You can’t just tell someone with depression to snap out of it, and to think about their family/friends and fans. Sushant would have loved his family, friends and fans. He would have thought about them. But he was living with the pain and the spiral of dark thoughts. In situations like this, people feel alone. Can you take into perspective how less precious life can feel for someone with depression, especially when they feel hopeless and can no longer see a future. The pain, the sadness, the thoughts, can become burdensome to them. They start to believe that they have become a burden to others.

Prior to his diagnosis or before his condition worsened, Sushant would have probably thought the same as Vivek with the quote ‘death is not the answer’. But as the ruminative thoughts increases and everyday of living with the pain starts to feel burdensome, suicide can be perceived as the only solution. Of course, we who cannot truly empathise with his condition, can see multiple avenues of help and support that could have been available to him. However if you educate yourselves in the prognosis of depression, you would know that people with this condition experience difficulty thinking, concentrating and making decisions. At times, the negative thoughts and the low mood takes over your life and it becomes difficult to break out of it. Especially taking into consideration that lock-down not only forces you into isolation but dangerously limits progress for vulnerable people like Sushant. For him, ending his life may have been perceived as the only way to stop feeling the pain anymore. Unless diagnosed with depression, nobody and I repeat nobody can even imagine the extent of pain a person must be suffering for them to seek death as a way to end it. My heart screams in sorrow knowing that a person is capable of feeling that level of hopelessness.

I appreciate the sentiments Vivek tried to portray in his post. But please educate yourselves in this matter before posting about it. Learn how to identify the signs of suicide ideation rather than preaching about it not being the solution. You are not suffering from depression. Suicide is not the solution for you. Sushant was suffering from depression. Suicide may have been the only solution that he could think of. When you can’t put yourself in someone else’s shoes than at the very least don’t shame the act with ignorance. Start thinking about why suicide became an option for him. Educate yourself on understanding the condition. Learn about what kind of support should be given and what the signs/symptoms look like. Maybe with that knowledge, we can save a life instead.

Very well articulated 👏

Your in-depth knowledge on depression / suicide is brilliant 👍

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

I kinda understand when people say "suicide is never a solution", but people also easily forget for someone who's going theough the bottom of the abyss "death" seems like the ONLY solution!

Suicide is never a solution comes off like you're shaming the victim for not having the will to sustain! Will kaha se laaye when someone's got none of that during their end times.

Killing yourself has to be the most terrifying step ever for anyone!

Why would anyone want to kill themselves when there's so much to life?! Ofc for that person "there isn't much to life" hence the step closer to death!

I wish people would NOT preach with "suicide isn't a solution" rather spread awareness how not to shame someone contemplating about not having much to life for.

Be the support, be the guiding eyes and ears, be there for someone going through depression so they can find the very hope they are lacking! :)

Otherwise more power to Vivek for not losing hope and finding the light in the deepest pit of darkness!

How true, ppl who didn't gv up had tat one frd or family member who didn't hv up on them. If only he had those ears who listened to him n comfort him, he would hv been here.

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

I got the vibe THAT IS why I have repeatedly mentioned that I understand his intentions. But you don’t say ‘Death is never the answer. Suicide is not the solution. I wish he stopped to think about his family, friends and fans’.

It is so easy to deviate from the main point. Raise awareness about mental health, don’t talk about he shouldn’t have ended his life as a way to fix his problems’. It’s pretty patronising, especially when you follow it up with the whole think of your family drama. It just makes his death look selfish and cowardly. I don’t care what the vibe is. If the sentence can be misconstrued than change the way you word things. That’s all I ask.

What is wrong in saying suicide is not the solution ? Suicide is certainly not the solution. Infact it's getting from smaller to bigger problem or from a bigger problem to the biggest problem.

Did he blame Sushant for anything ? But today we lost beautiful life ....a father lost his son....look at the state of family .... We all say shit Sushant shouldn't have done it .... Does that mean we blaming Sushant ? No we are blaming almost every individual who wasn't there for him.

This is problem of today's world that instead of seeing the intentions we will literally dissect the statement and so over critical without even understanding the sentiments behind. Too much harsh. Vivek s feelings are almost same as ours towards Sushant.

All good but these introspection posts are coming from whom , Nikhil Advani,vivek ,Ranvir Shorey etc.

Your sonakshi ,sonam ,Bhatt, Nahta etc the whose who,people are already cribbing out naming them any sort of way