Rani still does not get it? - Page 3

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

Learning self-defence is great and I am all up for it! But real life isn't like "movie" where every girl out there can learn some martial art and slay 10 men coming at her! 🙄 ... One can handle may be one man but that isn't what happens in gang rapes, there are fucking 10 men coming at you, how do you defend yourself in such situations?!

A gun can be a great equalizer. IMO, every woman needs to know how to handle one. Every woman of sound mind should own one.

I don't understand most of the responses here. Yeah, knowing how to defend yourself or even packing heat is not going to stop all rapes, but if it stops SOME, isn't it worth it?

It doesn't mean we stop working on societal change.

Most responses are not taking into account these are two different things..

Women learning self defense is one thing

And telling women to learn self defense as a response to rape is a separate thing.

the first one is having an extra skill with the hope that it works for you just god forbid you may have to use it...

the second is saying the responsibility of dealing with rape is the woman’s, shifting the onus from perpetrator. Rape is cultural in our country not just a crime- it’s more important to create societal change in our men and obviously women like Rani.

To me Rani represents that woman who is highly privileged and therefore doesn’t feel the need to understand this nuance.

It’s the same as girls should stop wearing short skirts, not stay late at night, not walk down those streets, not talk to men, not party, and haan learn self defense. This list of dos and donts for women just keeps increasing.

My cousin sister when leaving for party was told by my uncle that she should not go to parties, boys will rape her and she turned around and said all of you men tell the boys not to rape...humei bahut bata diya kya karna kya nahi

So to answer the post Q - No she doesn’t get it...and sadly many don’t

I don't see what wrong she is saying?? We don't live in a PERFECT world...because in a perfect world there would be no rapes....but our world is far from it......Nirbhaya's parents' are waiting for 7 years for justice......when u know the situation why not empower the girls in a way that they can protect themselves? I don't see a reason for her to recieve flak?? Its not she is blaming the victim here....she is just saying the prevention is better.....why wait for something to happen?? we have several examples before us where we see that the rape cases are rotting for years in courts....no justice at all...aur na he koi ummeed lagti hai......after 10 years it will still be the same.....atleast empowering the girls will have a hope that they might be able to save themselves.

Originally posted by: anjs

I remember over-hearing this discussion in my himalaya trek between a pastor and his team member, the young boy of 15 years asked why is christianity against self-defense (his school was offering the clourse, but he was not allowed to take it up by his parents).....so his pastor's reply was that by learning self-defense, you are telling god that you don't trust him to protect you..... just trust in god and he will protect you against whosoever think of attacking you........

While I agree with trusting in god part....but connecting the two things is absurd....... same way I feel, its important to teach the society what is right or wrong........but we cannot just rely on that.......it will take time.....maybe decades.......till then what........ as of now the immediate need is to put a fear in the minds of these perpetrators that they cannot just get away with it............ imagine the rotten mind of these perpetrators who don't shy away from murdering the victim, just to satisfy their lust and whatever disgusting need they have......

They need some fear in their mind to stop them from doing so........fear for their lives is the only solution for now.......otherwise even imprisonment isn't stopping them, as they know they can be out on bail or max serve a few years and get free to have a life......... whereas the victim is either traumatized for life or have to sacrifice her life.......

disclaimer : I dont know if christianity is really against self-defense, that was a over-heard true discussion....

The bible has few quotes where Jesus says that "Sell your cloak and buy a sword" and then says "For all who draw the sword will die by the sword" which has been interpreted in many ways.

But let's not bring religion as a matter of discussion in all this please.

Originally posted by: Billi_Bangalan

wait till somebody asks her what martial arts babies will do when they get raped

I don't think she is denying that the onus of the rape lies just on the rapist and only the rapist....if a girl is out at 2 o clock in the night in a bikini....no one has the right to touch her.....but do u think that is going to happen?? What change do u see happening after 7 years of Nirbhaya's rape...other than a lot of debates?? So many innocent girls have been raped and murdered since then while Nirbhaya's rapists are still live and kicking.....So what is wrong if someone is suggesting a practical solution here.....India mein law and order next 50 years mein bhi nahi change hogi...so should the girls say a prayer before leaving their homes....hey Bhagwan...mujhe bachana....how long??

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

Learning self-defence is great and I am all up for it! But real life isn't like "movie" where every girl out there can learn some martial art and slay 10 men coming at her! 🙄 ... One can handle may be one man but that isn't what happens in gang rapes, there are fucking 10 men coming at you, how do you defend yourself in such situations?!

Self-defense is useless against the type of gang rapes that happen in India. A one hour class once in a while won't make you a karate expert anyway. At most, learning self-defense can only give you confidence.

If you know how to kick and punch, you might be able to get out a tricky situation if one man is getting too close but that is no guarantee either. Generally, most men can overpower most women because they are definitely physically stronger. Even a 50 year old man will be twice as strong as a 25 year old woman.

Originally posted by: fivestars

This!!

What's harm in learning self defense to protect yourself from this horrible incidents? Its ur call learn it or wait for society to change..

I kow...ki theory mein bahut achha lagta hai...society change karo...raise better boys..and blah blah.....and that is never going to happen.....so let us keep living in our Lala Land till then and bash anyone who is coming up with a practical solution....

There was a lot noise made when those rapists were shot down by the cops...ki kyon maara...we live in a civilzed society....kaun se civilized society Bhaiyaa...wahin jahan ladkiyon ko torture aur rape karke..they are burned alive.....is this a civilized world we are talking about??and this is te civilized world that we live where people giving good advice like girls should learn self defense should be bashed/....just because it doesn't match their theory of a perfect world existing somewhere..

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

What change do u see happening after 7 years of Nirbhaya's rape...other than a lot of debates??

Change doesn't happen because society actually does not give a crap. They think it's something for police to handle and changing the law is the solution. They won't look at society's problems and why women are so disrespected in India because they have nothing to gain from it.

It starts from birth itself. The sex ratio is so skewed in India because girls are aborted. Once they're born, there are celebrations if a boy is born and worries if a girl is born. A lot of parents are not bothered about educating their girls because society has deemed it that girls have get married and leave and go take care of the husband's family. They see no point in investing in daughters because they benefit their husband's family only. Joint family culture is almost always dismissive of women in subtle ways too. They are there to cook and clean and take care of elders. They're taught to sacrifice because they are not that important and other people's happiness is matters more.

In general, women are just not valued that much so men think they can do whatever they want. They've seen it all their lives.

Originally posted by: regnow

Self-defense is useless against the type of gang rapes that happen in India. A one hour class once in a while won't make you a karate expert anyway. At most, learning self-defense can only give you confidence.

If you know how to kick and punch, you might be able to get out a tricky situation if one man is getting too close but that is no guarantee either. Generally, most men can overpower most women because they are definitely physically stronger. Even a 50 year old man will be twice as strong as a 25 year old woman.

you have better suggestions?? I want to listen to the suggestions given by those bashing Rani.

Raising awareness and raising better boys....not going to happen in a million years...so what do u suggest?