'Kedarnath' in trouble for 'tainting' the Hindu shrine. - Page 3

Originally posted by: Paachaa

It is relevant if you listen to the opening dialogues of the trailer. Some people want two star hotels to be made so that more pilgrims can come to Kedarnath. Sushant suggests that there should be a cap on the number of pilgrims visiting Kedarnath and only that many should be allowed for whom the right arrangements can be made so that it's easier for the pilgrims and there's no burden on the mountain hill. To which, the other guys instead of arguing on his suggestion ask him 'Tum kahaan se aayein HAMAARE beech?' To which Sushant replies that he was always there as one of them and their whole generation has been a part of the porter service.

The whole tumhara and hamaara points to the fact that Sushant being a muslim in the film is still not one of them (the hindus) despite them all being into the service of peethus who help pilgrims reach the Kedarnath temple so that they can do their darshan.

That is why it's relevant to have a muslim character in a film based on a Hindu pilgrimage like Kedarnath where his religion doesn't come in between helping pilgrims finish their once in a lifetime darshan of Kedarnath. It is relevant because Sushant's character can not let his religion come in between his work yet the other workers will bring up religion and call him a stranger or not one of his own.

It is relevant because this is not just about Kedarnath but what's happening in many places. That a muslim living all his/her life in India is still seen as a stranger from another 'nation'. The reason why a film like Mulk had to be made. The reason why many Muslim dominated areas in a city is called 'Mini Pakistan' by the locals. That is why it is relevant. Because they are still seen as not one among us because of their religion and not because of their nationality.

It's way too easy to get triggered and offended with every small thing but dig deep and scratch the surface to find there are many things that might not be relevant for you but is relevant for many others that needs to be discussed,especially in the current political climate in the country.

Originally posted by: Paachaa

It is relevant if you listen to the opening dialogues of the trailer. Some people want two star hotels to be made so that more pilgrims can come to Kedarnath. Sushant suggests that there should be a cap on the number of pilgrims visiting Kedarnath and only that many should be allowed for whom the right arrangements can be made so that it's easier for the pilgrims and there's no burden on the mountain hill. To which, the other guys instead of arguing on his suggestion ask him 'Tum kahaan se aayein HAMAARE beech?' To which Sushant replies that he was always there as one of them and their whole generation has been a part of the porter service.

The whole tumhara and hamaara points to the fact that Sushant being a muslim in the film is still not one of them (the hindus) despite them all being into the service of peethus who help pilgrims reach the Kedarnath temple so that they can do their darshan.

That is why it's relevant to have a muslim character in a film based on a Hindu pilgrimage like Kedarnath where his religion doesn't come in between helping pilgrims finish their once in a lifetime darshan of Kedarnath. It is relevant because Sushant's character can not let his religion come in between his work yet the other workers will bring up religion and call him a stranger or not one of his own.

It is relevant because this is not just about Kedarnath but what's happening in many places. That a muslim living all his/her life in India is still seen as a stranger from another 'nation'. The reason why a film like Mulk had to be made. The reason why many Muslim dominated areas in a city is called 'Mini Pakistan' by the locals. That is why it is relevant. Because they are still seen as not one among us because of their religion and not because of their nationality.

It's way too easy to get triggered and offended with every small thing but dig deep and scratch the surface to find there are many things that might not be relevant for you but is relevant for many others that needs to be discussed,especially in the current political climate in the country.

Originally posted by: anjs

@bold : the reason you are giving for bold is partially wrong... again here you are blaming only the hindus, for it... the main reason why muslim area is called mini pakistan, is cause they erect Pakistani flags wherever they stay, with the half moon n star... they behave as if India is not their country... for them Pakistan is the be all and end all...this fact has being witnessed by me and also told to me by a muslim friend who knows that Pakistan is a foreign country as much as USA and UK, who genuinely loves India.

Originally posted by: Paachaa

anjs- I never blamed any religion. I'm talking about the general attitude of the country and that also includes many other relgions apart from hindus. The half moon and crescent you are talking about is not a copyright of the Pakistan flag. Half moon and crescents for long have been associated with Islam from the time of the Ottoman empire and has nothing to do with a specific country. The half moon and crescent flags that are hung here are mainly black in color.When did Pakistan flags become black in color? You're again mixing up religion with nationality which was my exact point. And that only happens when we have half knowledge about other religions. There's bad in every religion and good in every religion. This is not even about the religion per se but the attitude one has over another because of the religion they practice.

We have extremists in both religions and that's another discussion altogether but what about the good ones? I've bren living in a muslim majority area for the last five years and have never ever felt insecure or have been made felt to be a stranger because I am a Hindu. We have eid ka daawat and ganpati at the same place and no one is made to feel like a stranger. But just step out of the muslim majority area, fake a name with a muslim surname and try taking a flat on rent. Then you will see what I am talking about. And the owner can be anyone,not just a Hindu. He will still not give the flat to a muslim 80% of the time. That's what I am talking about. Hum Vs Woh. They are always treated as visitors while we never do the same with other religions.

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

Those are not Pakistani flags. Those are Islam flags. Difference lies in the design.

Originally posted by: Paachaa

anjs- I never blamed any religion. I'm talking about the general attitude of the country and that also includes many other relgions apart from hindus. The half moon and crescent you are talking about is not a copyright of the Pakistan flag. Half moon and crescents for long have been associated with Islam from the time of the Ottoman empire and has nothing to do with a specific country. The half moon and crescent flags that are hung here are mainly black in color.When did Pakistan flags become black in color? You're again mixing up religion with nationality which was my exact point. And that only happens when we have half knowledge about other religions. There's bad in every religion and good in every religion. This is not even about the religion per se but the attitude one has over another because of the religion they practice.

We have extremists in both religions and that's another discussion altogether but what about the good ones? I've bren living in a muslim majority area for the last five years and have never ever felt insecure or have been made felt to be a stranger because I am a Hindu. We have eid ka daawat and ganpati at the same place and no one is made to feel like a stranger. But just step out of the muslim majority area, fake a name with a muslim surname and try taking a flat on rent. Then you will see what I am talking about. And the owner can be anyone,not just a Hindu. He will still not give the flat to a muslim 80% of the time. That's what I am talking about. Hum Vs Woh. They are always treated as visitors while we never do the same with other religions.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Bold: You answered your own question. WHY are Muslims treated differently if they're so saintly?

The truth is, intolerance of other religions and considering everyone beneath them are a deep-seated mentality problem among many Muslims. Even Muslims who are otherwise fundamentally good-natured people genuinely believe that Islam is the 'only true path' and all other religions are false.First hand experience speaking.

So, continually showing Muslim as 'the victims' is uncalled for in my opinion.

Originally posted by: Twisterfry

Dude no offense you are making a huge generalisation. Of course in the recent years there have been rather radical Muslim philosophers. But have you all heard of Al Farabi; who actually drew parallels between Islam and ancient Greek philosophy? There are troubles in every religious text. For example the Mahabharat war war is justified in the name of defeating evil and we all know armed conflict/violence is not justified in any way in the modern age. So instead of blaming the religion and marginalising it we should try to reform the religion instead.