Latihan in tamasha - Page 5

Originally posted by: nigahen

Yes it is. I dont know what to believe. Like is there life on other planets, not the ones in our solar system, but the gazillions others. And how many worlds beyond those which may be on some other plane.

And if moksha is a long restful eternal sleep or is it just a step up to another level.

And what can lie beyond one cannot comprehend. If one were to have everything, then anyone would want riches, wisdom, health, beauty, eternal youth probably to be loved and appreciated by all others. But in any world or dimension or heaven, if everyone had everything, then there would be no meaning, right. if everyone had everything who would be there to appreciate the other and then strive for what? One wouldnt even have family because everyone wants to be a child doted upon by their parents but no one will want to have the thankless job of being parents.

What lies ahead..

Originally posted by: adventurousman

We don't know life on other planets, galaxies but most likely there is we just have no access to it. Most likely they're also more advanced than us.

What I do know is the universe is expanding at annormous speed like 22m miles per second, there's no end to it. Our tiny brains can't quite grasp it

In spiritual world I've heard of seven planes and 11 dimensions but they all exist in the same space

Moksha is truly the end. You don't exist anymore on any level. You become one with the cosmos and even while alive that's why it's called jeevan mukti

That's from the limited perspective of the egoic mind but the thing is things won't always go it's way. Everything ends. Beauty, riches and in the end all seem pointless.

as long you've a body living in egoic state you'll suffer. Buddha said it. He was a prince he left it all in search for truth liberation. He saw what was happening and how it's all meaningless.

that's why you see people who make it turn into drugs, lot of sex because they don't know what else to do so just keep on pleasuring yourself, keep seeking pleasure but pleasure isn't it

Wanting appreciation, seeking approval is actually a sickness. Someone thinks highly of us and we feel good, giving that person the power to determine what happens within us. We then act accordingly to please them.

We did this in our childhood as we needed our parents approval but it's time to break those shakals.

we would be a lot more free if we didn't care what others think of us. Whether they approve or disapprove, it's none of our business

There's no end to wanting. If you had everything you would still want more as I said in the other thread it's a bottom less pit, it'll never be satisfied.

Ego doesn't like equality either. It'll never allow it to happen and you can see that. If everyone had everything how would the ego feel special? It can only do so in comparison with others.

I'm better than them because I've more or i can do more therefore I'm MORE

that's why they create this hierarchy, class system. Status quo

everyone is then busy to get there as that's seen as the ultimate.

but if you strip them all down then they're all just ordinary. just human beings, people but we've created this hierarchy and the one percent decideds all the rules and rules the world

if there level of consciousness was a little higher then things would be different

So not only are you physically limited but also mentally by your ideas, beliefs, judgments then also emotionally, energetically

Then comes the society, culture and it's rules and once again limited by that

have to do this job or that just to survive no financial freedom. they're busy making people into a clog in the wheel working for them while they rule

So a lot of brainwashing has been done on various levels and there's really only way out that's why the emphasis on moksha, nirvana

Originally posted by: Ratukrus

Hey adventurous, since you are into all this. Have you heard of U.G Krishnamurti. If yes then what's your opinion on him?

Originally posted by: adventurousman

He had an awakening but it didn't really penetrate to his whole being and there are different levels to awakening.

it was more mental, his heart didn't open up that's why I found him bitter, argumentative.

Just hanged out with his friends, one of them was mahesh bhatt. They didn't have any interest in awakening so he never teached

j krsishnamurti was more advanced but he also lacked zeal, vigor, vitality, it was too dry

Originally posted by: adventurousman

Godmen is a wrong word. Seek for true masters if interested.

Eckhart tolle wrote a wonderful book "power of now if you get it that's all one needs but it's not that easy.

Adyashanti goes even deeper to what happens after enlightenment specially when energy channels open up.

Mooji guides you into the teachings of ramana maharshi till you get it but ego even uses that teaching which is quite fascinating to me

The thing is we've too much karma, desires and the teaching can't be or the ego won't let you apply it so it's best to deal with your unconscious stuff too that's where Osho's meditations like dynamic meditation come into play.

renouncing won't work as you might be able to physically resist but that's not renouncing, you're still caught in it

Originally posted by: adventurousman

UG as I said had an awakening and imo it wasn't deep, his unconscious stuff, shadow side hadn't opened up, same with energy channels so I don't know in what context you're saying he's right. He spent 7yrs with jkrishnamurti and got frustrated with him.

You certainly have an intention like waking up (being enlightened) but you don't make that into a goal which will be attained in the future because that would be your mind projecting.

You practice being present now and the more your attention is in the now, with practice in time you get there so you use time to cancel time if that makes sense but your attention isn't on any future moment which will happen in due time. It's an end in itself.

Mahesh is far from enlightenment, lol

as I said ug got bitter and disillusioned but that's only half a step

first you see you're nothing, it's all meaningless then the next step is when you see you're everything and your heart chakra opens up. you see yourself in everything and everything is you and out of that love activity happens you don't do it

There's a lot of mental impressions, traumas, so a lot of stuff is registered in your system. If you're awakened then that awakening can clear those things up but I've seen people being awake and still there stuff is there by that I mean their shadow side

So they're awakened but their bad habits, reactions remain like Maharaj still smoked. From outside it looked like why would he and he would say why are you attached to me smoking or not smoking?

he had a point but wherever you put light of awareness and clearly see things in that area, you'll be transformed, it can't be otherwise.

you can know something is bad for you and still do it for years until you truly see what it's doing to you

There was this guy who smoked a lot he knew it's bad for him but one day doctor told him he'll die if he doesn't stop and that's when he stopped

Same thing happened with saif I think. He got some chest pain or a mini heart attack not sure but it was because of smoking and he stopped

once you clearly see that putting your hand on a hot stove will always result in you burning your hand then you'll stop or rather it's stopped by you through you.

so delusions run deep and unlike hot stove most delusions aren't as clear as they feel good for a while like smoking a cigarette so we don't see the whole picture of what it's really doing to us.

So if you're awakened you'll be in your natural state which is 1000 times better than your egoic state which always lives in craving/aversion, full of fear, restlessness.

if your unconscious stuff is cleared and you face your demons then you'll be gold as nothing will limit you then.

Exactly, ego won't help you end itself and it's not healthy to see it as an enemy which you're trying to end.

Your unconscious mind knows what you're doing and with this approach it'll do everything to sabotage you

moojis teaching is self enquiry taken from Ramana so I see people or ego using it as a scapegoat. They take the non dual teachings and use it for eg they'll say well there's no one who's doing it

Or they feel something and push it away saying there's no one to feel it

this will only disempower the person.

Yes the one trying to get rid of thought is thought itself

So when you sit for meditation don't think of it you trying to do something like quitening the mind, it'll only increase the chatter

The controller comes in trying to control the mind which again is the ego, the little me trying to meditate

it's not about getting rid of anything it's about truly inquiring and being curious. so the question Ramana was asking is who am i? To truly see if you exist or not

You'll find thoughts, images, memories, sensations but there's no entity called you. If you stop thinking for 3 seconds in those 3 seconds the entity you call you is gone and what remains is awareness itself

that awareness is you but there's no realization of that

So after those 3 sec you start thinking again and say I stopped thinking

See this entity is illusory, it's not a thing, it's an activity. When the activity stops it stops existing that's why it insists and makes sure the activity continues

The harder you try to get rid of it the more it'll hold on and scare you in a million different ways

every thought will demand your attention like your life depends on it

it's like a dog on a leash. It decides the thoughts the feelings and you're the dog that's being dragged. I don't mean you personally I mean all of us

so thoughts feelings happen but there's no person there to whom it's actually happening nor are you choosing to think it just happens

so best is to do inquiry, just observe what's happening without trying to get rid of it. Let your mind be noisy, allow everything to happen because it's happening anyway, you can just resist it but it has happened for eg a thought appears, you can resist it and say I shouldn't have this thought but it has already happened it's already here

So embrace it

This will work if you observe without judgment and be curious to what's happening

Find out the I behind the thought, memory, feeling, activity

Where's the I who's having this thought?

Who's behind those eyes? You might get silent just observe the silence

That silent awareness is you but you don't need to believe it just pay attention to it

it's the same awareness that brightens your world. When you wake up you first become aware then the activity of the mind and the story of me comes

It's like looking through a keyhole. You only see what's happening on the other side, your attention is outward but there's a whole lot happening on the other side of the keyhole, does that make sense?

in short observe, allow without judgment, do inquiry

read power of now and look into Anthony de mello i posted his videos

also maybe Adyashanti but it might be a little advanced depends where you're at

stay away from sadhguru, he's only feeding the ego by promising it some bliss state

mooji is good for inquiry but that's all he does and hides in it for eg a woman asked him that she was feeling a lot of pain, what should she do?

his answer was "who's feeling the pain? Find that out. No you don't hide in non dual teaching

Pain is real, it's physical even emotional pain is real. You need to look into it, you don't run away from it by being still or some other activity that's what i meant ego can even use that and even someone who's awake like mooji doesn't see it because he isn't fully awakened.

Adyashanti on the other hand actually addresses it and says not to hide but feel it, allow it

and same with Anthony de mello

but you also see there's no self in the pain. There's just pain, not a person to whom it belongs, to whom it's happening

Anthony had this technique

1) it's happening, see it's happening, you're feeling gloomy, depressed, anxious or whatever

2) it's happening within me. Nothing to do with outside. They're not the cause of it someone in a similar situation would feel something else

3) it's not happening to me. There's no person to whom this belongs.

Step outside of yourself and see everything as it's happening to someone else without judgment without condemnation just observe

in short he wanted us to disidentify with the egoic mind

Everyone has their own way to getting there but it all boils down to the same thing

But as I said ego can use it if you're not careful like it's not happening to me so I'll sit back and do nothing

the point wasn't to do or not to do anything about your situation but to see the entity for what it is to get disillusioned

Anyways hope this helps, long rant

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Originally posted by: JustMySelf

As some of u guys are speaking about mokhsa nirvana so am just

Not holding myself back.

Imagine u got mokhsha nirvana

N then what? What is it u do with

Such achievement ? Sleep away to oblivion ? Rest for eternity? Serve the almighty forever n more? How monotonous boring ur life would be with no hunger no passion no desire

No duty no responsibility nothing to

Love nothing to gain nothing to loose. What a terrible state of living or non living with no feelings emotions as u have already conquered them so ur more like bots!😆

Simply put u cease toexist.

when u actually cease to exist

what does it Matter whether ur On heaven hell or any ethreal place?

After all u have conquered ur ego

so what is reward or punishment to u? Everyy place is hell heaven for u is it not so why even strive for mokhsha or nirvana when nothing will matter to u

Ultimately ?

Me thinks the day we stop desiring

For awards rewards or fearing sin punishment hell that day we actually

Become karmayogi n no more a bhogi

Hence neither disappointment nor

Achievement can disturb us.

Originally posted by: devwwe

Apparently practising chandrabhedana pranayam can raise body heat. But like the Upanishads say "The breath must be tamed slowly like an elephant otherwise it can destroy the practitioner...something along those lines.