If starkids were outsiders who would not be in bollywood? - Page 7

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Posted: 7 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: JustMySelf



no am not kidding u..
i am presenting my opinion..
take it or leave it..
simple as that 😆
tm asked a question i merely replied ..
should i have asked ur permission before keeping my
own view points?no na?😆
shallow i am..never denied it..
i pay the money so its my choice who to dis whom to praise
is it nt?😆
btw did anyone inform you before that typing in all bold means
screaming back ?n that this forum is meant for discussion n keeping pov nt
to scream n howl back..
i merely opined that if i were the producer director i would not have
allowed myself to give a break to ajay d types ..
yes over the yrs he has matured as an actor..bt the question here
asked was nt if he is a good actor or bad actor..rather it asked if
an otsider would have gt work..n in my humble opinion i have no
no qualms telling on ur face or any other ajay's fan's face that no ..
u can judge a talent after getting the first break..types of ajay would
certainly nt have gt hero's role..at the most would have gt rajpal yadav's
types side chars to play ..i hope u can digest honesty in my replies.



FYI, I've been typing in bold for years on here so I'm used it.


He was doing macho type characters which were common for heroes during that time despite their looks. Sunny Deol who's starkid was in his position but was not a looker like Ajay. Same with Sanjay Dutt as well.

No, I don't think he would gotten Rajpal Yadav roles. If he couldn't get roles then he would have done Action Choreographer, Direction and Screen Play. That's better than nothing.

I would have hire Ajay any day as a director or producer. Regardless of his looks, he gained a massive mass following in the 90s. Otherwise they would have not bothered showing any interest in him. Same goes for any Action Hero who is considered a starkid e.g. Sunny Deol.

Edited by Nikhil718 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

Devgan wouldn't have got a debut for a while because he's frightfully ugly, but he would've eventually & made a name as a 'good actor'- Because the fact is he IS a very good & very hardworking actor. I consider Jr a good actor too who probably would not have been burdened by being the Emperor of BW's SON.. So he could've done better/much better. SRK, HR, Akki would've reached there regardless & the reasons are known to all. RK too is very talented & the only actor, star-kid or not, who has EARNED his place here- He has lot of ambition & drive too. Kareena, Ash & DP & Sonam, are BORN STARS. The first 3 for SURE. Solid & electric screen presence!!!! And arresting, very beautiful, exquisite (Ash & DP for certain) faces.. They would've been at the top & ruled, regardless of a lineage or lack thereof.

It's "stars" like Bobby, Sunny Deol, Aloo, Varun, RS etc who would've found no place because they do not have the faces or obvious talent or both, in some cases, to be invited to be a part of BW.



That I can agree on even if it took a while for him to get a debut. Regardless of his looks, he would made it. In the 90s, he gained a massive mass following due to his Action movies just like Sunny Deol who didn't have looks.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: 2RsFan


Salman was a model, used to do ads and wasnt a main lead in his debut .Many dont even know abt Aamir's actual debut Holi(1984) .Yes they were born inside the industry but I doubt anyone went to watch QSQT and MPK cos their fathers were some writer or producer . Same for Ajay

Karishma,Kajol,Rani used to do B grade movies

Not a single distributor was ready to buy QSQT...The producer used to hold 3 shows a day at his place for the distributors for months...

Acc to the distributors the film won't work on BO...It would b a disaster...They had reasons for not buying it...the first was the leads were newcomers,not known face...second,there were no well known actor in the supporting cast...third the dir was new and the costume designers were newcomers...Infact the technical team had many new people working...The film was based on a love story during the time of action...and last but not the least the most imp rule in the industry that tragedies don't work at the BO...and this one was with newcomers...

His uncle told the dir Mansoor to change the climax and make it a happy ending...Mansoor didn't budge on his decision of keeping the climax as it is...Mansoor would remove his name of the credits if the producer i.e. his father changed the climax...

Eventually after 3 months they somehow released it...
Edited by raj80 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

LMAOOO!!! This forum always AMAZES ME!!!!


If people like SRK, Devgn, Vicky Kaushal or even RS are insiders/well-to-do (SRK) or known by BW insiders, then so is everyone who isn't on a footpath, struggling on the streets of Bombay. 🤣

Ajay's father Viru Devgn was well known in the industry...He was the most famous action dir of that time...He had been in the industry for many years...He had earned goodwill from the producers and directors with whom he had worked with...He used to carry pictures of Ajay and request producers to launch him in whichever films he was working...Finally a producer agreed to launch Ajay...it was not a big banner like Chopra's...Infact his was a small film that clashed with a big film from YRF,Lamhe...

Ajay and Akki knw each other before they entered films...Akki used to practise stunts with Ajay,Viru too used to b present there...


Akki was the first who was offered Phool Aur Kaante ...acc to Akki he was removed from Phool Aur Kaante...someone even posted it here...one day he received a call from the producers saying that they have replaced him with someone the day before the shooting was to begin...


Edited by raj80 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: Nikhil718



He was doing macho type characters which were common for heroes during that time despite their looks. Sunny Deol who's starkid was in his position but was not a looker like Ajay. Same with Sanjay Dutt as well.

No, I don't think he would gotten Rajpal Yadav roles. If he couldn't get roles then he would have done Action Chorgrapher, Direction and Screen Play. Better than nothing.

I would have hire Ajay any day a director or producer. Regardless of his looks, he gained a massive mass following in the 90s. Otherwise they would have not bothered. Same goes for any Action Hero including Sunny Deol.



i am unaware of 80 90s stars like sunny ajay the madhuris n all so whats point of talking?
i do not know how cinemas accepted them back them or how the industry picked
their heroes back then..even if they had huge craze i was not a witness so i am failing to share
your kind of sentiments n passion abt ajay d or sunny d etc etc..
i have no intention to hurt u..bt plz try understand 20 yrs from now the next gen too
will not be able to relate with the actors of this gen whom perhaps i might favour..
its the generation gap related thing..what u feel for ajay d i am unable to feel it..
if u treat it as my shortcoming then too i am helpless as i simply can't relate with it..
n i repeat again had i been producer director i would have given one look at his face
n said i will get back to u later n of course that later time would never come..
for me face as well as acting both are imp..
if i just want to see acting why will i waste on bollywood movies?
rather i would invest in world cinema..why would i settle for less?
so give me both or get preferentially treated as simple as that..


am not coming out of bollywood forum just bcoz i cannot concur with u ..
i believe i have the right to breathe my own breath ..n so do u..
we do not share same genes so its natural my taste n ur choice will differ
let both of us accept n respect this as far as humanly possible.
the end.


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Posted: 7 years ago
#66
Raj: I know all that.. And still don't consider th star-kids/insiders. especially in Akki's case. I've friends who are sons & daughters of very prominent/powerful people, catch them, or anyone, giving you a break. LMAO. If you want to explain away anything, you can find all the ways. Actual * kids are people like RK, Kareena, Karisma (who anyway struggled a lot despite being a KAPOOR!) HR, Aloo, Dhawan etc. ARK, is well-connected & an insider through his brother, but despite that I still wouldn't consider him a * kid.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

Raj: I know all that.. And still don't consider th star-kids/insiders. especially in Akki's case. I've friends who are sons & daughters of very prominent/powerful people, catch them, or anyone, giving you a break. LMAO. If you want to explain away anything, you can find all the ways. Actual * kids are people like RK, Kareena, Karisma (who anyway struggled a lot despite being a KAPOOR!) HR, Aloo, Dhawan etc. ARK, is well-connected & an insider through his brother, but despite that I still wouldn't consider him a * kid.

I didn't mean Akki got films due to his connection with Ajay or his father...was just saying that they knew each other...


In 90's the starkids of well known actors/actresses they have the media attention,the hype...They had the curiosity factor...bcoz for years people have seen those stars on posters,theatres...People get curious to knw their kids,how they fare at the screen,did they inhabit the style or mannerisms of their parents... this is wht I had written in one of the comments..

the hype or buzz for the films of other kids related to the industry is as good as outsiders...the only diff was the outsiders struggle to even get their first film and some have to face the ills of the industry like casting couch...




Copy pasting my comment here 😆...




The situation in the 90's was diff to wht it has become from mid 2000's...

The benefit a starkid got those days was the first film,the rest of their journey was their struggle...they didn't get much hype before the release...the initial few days number was low of their first film...the other banners won't invest in their films if they were not well received...


The exceptions those days were starkids of yesteryear actors/actresses who had hype before their films release...

For instance the hype Barsaat had Bobby Deol b/o then star Sunny and s/o Dharmendra and Twinkle Khanna d/o Rajesh Khanna or the hype Refugee had the son of megastar Amitabh and Kareena g/o of Raj Kapoor and sister of then star Karishma...the intial few days numbers of these films were way more than the other newbies...


Outsiders like Akki survived...he was more known for stunts and was not knwn as a performer...He had many years without a hit...a run of 16 consecutive flops at the BO...

Edited by raj80 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: Kamala05

Alia, ARK , Arjun

Alia, if compared with the actress of her generation, she may be a good actress now, but in SOTY she was really bad and looks wise she is average. If she was not an insider no one would have given her a chance in films.


I second that.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Ranbir, Alia, Arjun Kapoor, Sonam
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: raj80

Ajay's father Viru Devgn was well known in the industry...He was the most famous action dir of that time...He had been in the industry for many years...He had earned goodwill from the producers and directors with whom he had worked with...He used to carry pictures of Ajay and request producers to launch him in whichever films he was working...Finally a producer agreed to launch Ajay...it was not a big banner like Chopra's or Ghai's...Infact his was a small film that clashed with a big film from YRF,Lamhe...

Ajay and Akki knw each other before they entered films...Akki used to practise stunts with Ajay,Viru too used to b present there...


Akki was the first who was offered Phool Aur Kaante ...acc to Akki he was removed from Phool Aur Kaante...someone even posted it here...one day he received a call from the producers saying that they have replaced him with someone the day before the shooting was to begin...



An outsider is so easily removed from a film without an eyelid been bat and still some people say star kids have it as tough as an outsider ...
Thanks for sharing the info.

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