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Posted: 8 years ago
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^^ Not only this but Four/five Southern states are the biggest contributors to India's GDP. Desh ko chalao bhi aur logon se nonsense bhi shuno. It's quite obvious why they are frustrated with forced homogenization and the disrespect for their industry. From this Bahubali and earlier Robot fiasco, I have really realized why South refuses to accept Bollywood films. I just hope their newer generation is strong enough to continue doing so. Northern/Bollywood arrogance about people superior in education/statistical wealth/development is astonishing. It's like middle America's hate for California despite that state pretty much running their economy like Southern states do for India. Idk why people are making it a northern/southern thing while Southerners ask for better representation and personal cultural progress. It's after years of cultural oppression that South has become so resistant to Bollywood/Hindi industry. It's not a sudden thing. It's not only about language either, it's about cultural imposition on every sector and regional need to resist it. Hindi's reach has mainly happened through Bollywood's soft power. So the criticism of Bollywood/national media's arrogance is justified, especially when they imitate the same people they disrespect.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Angel. They are making Hindi compulsory till 10th for CBSE and KV schools.

They are taking away boards in local language. I have no problem with multi-lingual boards and hoardings.

I have no problem with people who are not fluent in local language. But it shouldn't be that Hindi should be used to get by for years and without a lick of knowing local language. That too in places like banks, etc.

There is no excuse for not having all scheduled languages as official languages. Technology is there. Even if I give that before technology, they needed to have single/double language, it is sheer design and imposition on purpose now. Indian government by design ignores local languages while other businesses from abroad recognize the local languages.

If one of us will go to another part of India, we will learn the language of that part. Our kids will become fluent in the local languagei if they grow up there. Indian government schooling makes it possible that it doesn't have to be the case. This is why Bangalore and KN are having the biggest citizen outcry this time.

And that's not all. Indian government is not satisfied with what's happened till now. Please read the recommendations that were accepted. Why rules of having more than fifty percent Hindi literature on planes. Why rules that Hindi should be in airplane and airport announcements?

Why are Hindi exams given for jobs in non Hindi-states? Why are personnel moved around in nationlized banks, railways, airports with no care to the local language--but actively hiring non-local.

Why aren't applications given in local languages? Why Hindi and English? Technology these days means there is no excuse.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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LOL @ Hindi is "THE NATIONAL"
I don't think anyone is pulling down Hindi but by calling every other language as regional,it is actually other way round. Hailing from a state that is strongly against Imposition of Hindi , I don't know about others, but I don't have any problem in learning Hindi in schools along with other languages but my issue is when the make it just Hindi and English in ATMs , Application forms etc. How will a person with basic education supposed to deal. Yeah, the deal with it type of responses from the concerned authority is my problem.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: KhatamKahani

@Angel. They are making Hindi compulsory till 10th for CBSE and KV schools.

They are taking away boards in local language. I have no problem with multi-lingual languages.

I have no problem with people who are not fluent in local language. But it shouldn't be that Hindi should be used to get by for years and without a lick of knowing local language. That too in places like banks, etc.

There is no excuse for not having all scheduled languages as official languages. Technology is there. Even if I give that before technology, they needed to have single/double language, it is sheer design and imposition on purpose now. Indian government by design ignores local languages while other businesses from abroad recognize the local languages.

If one of us will go to another part of India, we will learn the language of that part. Our kids will become fluent in the local languagei if they grow up there. Indian government schooling makes it possible that it doesn't have to be the case. This is why Bangalore and KN are having the biggest citizen outcry this time.

And that's not all. Indian government is not satisfied with what's happened till now. Please read the recommendations that were accepted. Why rules of having more than fifty percent Hindi literature on planes. Why rules that Hindi should be in airplane and airport announcements?

Why are Hindi exams given for jobs in non Hindi-states? Why are personnel moved around in nationlized banks, railways, airports with no care to the local language--but actively hiring non-local.

Why aren't applications given in local languages? Why Hindi and English? Technology these days means there is no excuse.



@bold -- Oh sorry, I didn't know that.


As for Central government's official records - wouldn't it be difficult to print in other 22 regional languages especially when the files would keep moving bottom-top?

I'm sure state government's applications are given in state and english language... atleast in my state, it is so.

I am actually not sure if Hindi is needed in this context because 60% of Indians don't speak Hindi... but IDK, maybe I need to read up on the reasons why central govt has made english and only hindi official languages..English is understandable and makes sense.. hmm..

Also, central government employees are subject to frequent transfers across the state/country, so IDK how regional official languages can help here.. so, it kinda makes sense to me, because it is hard for a Telugu person to pick up on Punjabi but easier to understand hindi...


For any purpose, I can understand why knowing Hindi is more of a social convenience for Central govt employees than their own regional languages... for official or for times when they get transfered.

Also, KK, I'll give an example of my dad who is a Central govt employee, during some parliament sessions, any fax from Delhi will have to be met with immediate response within few hours, they have to dig up files, be prepared, prepare records as per question from Delhi and send the tele-fax to Delhi - it has it's own urgency when all officers are literally on their toes - and this transaction leaves little time for lingual translations...

IDK KK, I see no problem in this especially when english is an option.. Point is, for central government offices, it makes sense to have employees knowing 1/2 commonly known languages instead of 22 other national languages which will only lead to much confusion... Maybe what you are saying is feasible when the official work becomes paperless and 100% digital :)
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Why is this discussion still going on , nothing new is being added . i am sure 50 years later , still some guys would be fighting over it 😆
On serious note , angel like devil's posts were on the point , succint and as objective as possible . She deserves 👏. Gold medal to you ⭐️⭐️
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil


@bold -- Oh sorry, I didn't know that.


As for Central government's official records - wouldn't it be difficult to print in other 22 regional languages especially when the files would keep moving bottom-top?

Not anymore. These days there are technology. We are also not opposing English, as it is a neutral language, and a true link language. Hindi as a supposed link language only furthers hegemony. Also the hypocrisy of those who want to say Hindi to be used, they send their kids to English medum. Hell, UP's Yogi made English compulsory from Class One. So now, here it is. Right...Hindi speaking states, will teach English and Hindi. And most some half-ass attempt at Sanskrit to say they took a third language. None will bother teaching or learning South Indian languages, or any other Indian languages, yet many will go to those region for jobs.

South India and other schools will have to learn Hindi till class 10 in some schools, along with English which no one is denying. Now Why this need for Hindi now? The Hindi Belt too is teaching English, so why Hindi.

European Union functions with multiple languages. So in terms of Bureaucracy, one just needs to look at EU and see that it is possible


I'm sure state government's applications are given in state and english language... atleast in my state, it is so.

Yes. But state gov't it is. But again, railway stations in state are considered national despite taxes from those states. In terms of teaching, doctor, etc etc. Many of these jobs, they have no intent to move around, and yet, they are told to prove Hindi levels.

I am actually not sure if Hindi is needed in this context because 60% of Indians don't speak Hindi... but IDK, maybe I need to read up on the reasons why central govt has made english and only hindi official languages..English is understandable and makes sense.. hmm..

Yes. English is understandable and makes sense. Who is opposing to English. You yourself are not. It was made Hindi and English because South agitated and fought against Hindi as sole official language and as national language.

Those who want to diss on South states and especially Tamil Nadu, thank Tamil Nadu for the importance India put to English and you all were allowed to go on with your English mediums and India got so much English proficiency. TN fought against Hindi impostion.


Also, central government employees are subject to frequent transfers across the state/country, so IDK how regional official languages can help here.. so, it kinda makes sense to me, because it is hard for a Telugu person to pick up on Punjabi but easier to understand hindi...

How, the railway stations and airports and banks are for locals. Why shouldn't they get service in their own language? This is imperialism. It reeks. Again, why did private airlines that were not Indian give instructions, boarding information, etc etc in local languages pertaining to the route, while Air India, Indian airports and Indian airlines have either policy or instructions not to?



For any purpose, I can understand why knowing Hindi is more of a social convenience for Central govt employees than their own regional languages... for official or for times when they get transfered.

Imperialism. Even the British learned the local languages.

Also, KK, I'll give an example of my dad who is a Central govt employee, during some parliament sessions, any fax from Delhi will have to be met with immediate response within few hours, they have to dig up files, be prepared, prepare records as per question from Delhi and send the tele-fax to Delhi - it has it's own urgency when all officers are literally on their toes - and this transaction leaves little time for lingual translations...

Technology is very fast these days. I am not kidding. Like I said, EU has simultaneous translations. And why cannot it be in English? Do you know there is a rule that it can only be sent in Hindi to Hindi speaking states? (And by the way, I which all states are included in this). It cannot be sent in English. Now if the South and other states ask for their languages to be declared officlal so correspondence can be sent in their languages, it actually would provide some jobs to many in local languages.


IDK KK, I see no problem in this especially when english is an option.. Point is, for central government offices, it makes sense to have employees knowing 1/2 commonly known languages instead of 22 other national languages which will only lead to much confusion... Maybe what you are saying is feasible when the official work becomes paperless and 100% digital :)

You are missing one crucial point. Which sorry, I thought was not needed to mention. But it seems so. It is the Hindi Chauvinists who are not okay with English as link language. You are mentioning English as an option. The policies are designed to eventually take out English. Babus are to monitor Hindi fluency of employees, give stipends for good fluency, etc etc.

Hindi and English lends to the government who will try to impose Hindi and make it Hindi over English, and eventually Hindi. That is what is happening.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anachronist

Why is this discussion still going on , nothing new is being added . i am sure 50 years later , still some guys would be fighting over it 😆

On serious note , angel like devil's posts were on the point , succint and as objective as possible . She deserves 👏. Gold medal to you ⭐️⭐️



Yes, keep belittling the issue. 🥱
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Posted: 8 years ago
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my god ! the discussion has come down to contribution to gdp and we pay for poorer states debate.
today- why should south india pay for poorer states?
tomorrow- why should mumbai pay for hingoli and why should chennai pay for vilupuram?

and stop confusing the federal structure of india with that of usa. india is not a federal state its a quasi federal state. they have double citizenship we have just one that is INDIAN. they have different constitution for each state and unlike them we have only 1 constitution.

and for some problems like not using regional language in airports railways etc, people from all over india face it. if we need a solution to it they we can always work together to solve this. but the moment you use terms like " i pay more" " they are oppressive" " inki bat bhi suno" the debate takes sectarian form which irks people and is dangerous for this country.






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Posted: 8 years ago
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And BTW, South Indians can pick up Punjabi. It's just a matter of belief that one can or cannot.

One of the prominent promoters of Punjabi language is a Kannadiga. Settled there, learnt the language and now teaches and promotes it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandit_Rao_Dharennavar

Raftaar is another example.

The idea again is India is a union. And to tell regions that their languages should be secondary, means that perhaps they shouldn't have been part of the union. It is called unity in diversity. There is no reason for this to not be implemented now.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: bigul

my god ! the discussion has come down to contribution to gdp and we pay for poorer states debate.
today- why should south india pay for poorer states?
tomorrow- why should mumbai pay for hingoli and why should chennai pay for vilupuram?

and stop confusing the federal structure of india with that of usa. india is not a federal state its a quasi federal state. they have double citizenship we have just one that is INDIAN. they have different constitution for each state and unlike them we have only 1 constitution.

and for some problems like not using regional language in airports railways etc, people from all over india face it. if we need a solution to it they we can always work together to solve this. but the moment you use terms like " i pay more" " they are oppressive" " inki bat bhi suno" the debate takes sectarian form which irks people and is dangerous for this country.








Wow. Way to miss the point. Of course pinne enthava pretheeshikan pattune? The point is, states are paying for the imposition of Hindi which is put into that very own state to the detriment of its local language and locals. 🥱

Why don't you read it all before attacking and calling us secretarian? Working together to solve it. LOL. Only way it will be solved is by opposing Hindi imposition. If working together to solve it, then all those new directives within the past month alone wouldn't have come. Must only give speeches in Hindi in parliament if one knows Hindi, then clarified as if one can speak, read and write Hindi. What do you think further implementation of Hindi in education does? So if a South Indian minister knows how to read and write Hindi, they should be speaking in Hindi in Parliament. All while other languages need to be taken permission before speaking in that language in parliament. Wow, wow.

The sectarian form which irks people is the imposition and people like you refusing to see it, and that's what's dangerous for the country. Not the calling for linguistic equality.

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