Bahubali 2's success shows up the north's ignorance of south

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Resh

@SheDevil

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Posted: 8 years ago

#201

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

I m a south Indian? 😕 I also hate hindi? I also wrote several posts in this thread? I think u need to read again.

I am sorry, I edited it . I wanted to write this to another person but got it mixed. Again sorry on my part 😃 Pleas read my edited version now 😊

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

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Posted: 8 years ago

#202

Originally posted by: SheDevil
So how many languages we should learn to converse in India? Did I said to learn Hindi? My mother tongue is Sindhi which is one of the oldest language in fact ancient that not many know (It lipi has been changed many times because of influence of other languages) and different from Sanskrit. And we are as much Indian as any other person.

I read a few pages and trust me what you wrote looked more like your hate towards NI and Hindi. You referring to yourself as South Indian instead of Indian just shows that you don't consider yourself as part of India.

Ya bring one language that can unite whole nation other than English. So, go for Sanskrit. Because not even Hindi speaking states knows it. Nobody speaks correct Hindi in this era trust me.

Anyway, you continue with your life agenda. I am fine as long as I can communicate with others. For me people in general are far above than language and even if they don't know my language but can converse in language that I know a little bit about, I will help them. And still if I cannot, I will go with layman sign language.

PS: I never look down upon any language. Each and every language is beautiful. I would love to learn as many languages as I can, but as a human, it is not as easy..

Best of luck for your motto.. Please continue

Yet, you ignore that Sanskrit is not the mother of all Indian languages. Still want to impose Sanskrit, are not denying the use of English and that all aspire to learn it, but somehow want another link language other than English.

ROFL. Why should I not refer to myself as South Indian when I am talking about this subject? Should I say Indians oppose Hindi imposition...

And still you ignore the Hindi imposition and have no answer to that. Yes, you are right, converse in the language you know a little bit, if not layman sign language, etc etc. That is how people do so when they visit places. And if they settle there, they pick up the language.

Again and again, people like you want to say I hate for Hindi and North Indians, where not once have I ever uttered hate towards NIs or Hindi. But to you opposition to Hindi Chauvinism and Imposition is hate for Hindi and North Indians. You cannot point to one instance where I showered or uttered 'hate' on Hindi or North Indians. But you will just utter it, because it bothers you that Hindi is opposed.

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~*sindhu*~

@~*sindhu*~

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Posted: 8 years ago

#203

Originally posted by: SheDevil
So how many languages we should learn to converse in India? Did I said to learn Hindi? My mother tongue is Sindhi which is one of the oldest language in fact ancient that not many know (It lipi has been changed many times because of influence of other languages) and different from Sanskrit. And we are as much Indian as any other person.

Ya bring one language that can unite whole nation other than English. So, go for Sanskrit.
And trust me people from Hindi medium are also looked down upon. I am from English medium so I don't have to face this problem, but a few of my colleagues are dissed upon because of bad English.

No u didn't say to learn but I m just speaking about the problems with learning Hindi. Eventually everyone will forget their own mother tongue. Like u said we have no time to keep learning all languages.We have to study actual subjects too This is why people are giving up on their mother tongue and moving to other languages. Thus killing the local languages slowly. Learn Hindi in India. learn English outside India. Since no one cares about my mother tongue its better to forget about it.Thats the attitude now.

People from all mediums are looked down upon. We love discriminating people that way. Nothing special with Hindi. They will treat u the same if u come from any other local language.Sometimes even I get hate for coming from an english medium school 😆 Apparently I m not Indian enough if I can't read hindi properly.

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KhatamKahani

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Posted: 8 years ago

#204

@NimbuMirchi, if Gujaratis didn't oppose Hindi and are fine with Hindi being used, that is on them.

And unlike you, I never have said people shouldn't converse in their own language. I have praised multi-linguilism, and said migrants retain their own language and culture with no problem. If people speak on train in their own languages in their groups I have no problem.

And in all this, you still don't give answer to Hindi imposition. Why should local languages be taken out in tickets, rail roads, airports, signs, etc etc by Hindi. Why should applications and services by central gov't in these areas not have local language? Why is Union gov't putting only Hindi in road makers in South India?

A country should have a unified language? Indian was brought together as a union of states. And there are countries in Europe with three languages without any of them being the unified language.

Edited by KhatamKahani - 8 years ago

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566912

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Posted: 8 years ago

#205

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~
I get the frustration. We have marwaris settling in Bengal for decades and never learning a word of bengali.

My Friend's Dad is Bengali and Mom is Gujarati. Uncle moved to Gujarat and have lived there all his life.

Uncle hasn't really picked up Gujarati. We all talk with him in Hindi.

@Khatamkahani -- Like I said, I had a neighbor from Tamilnadu. He stayed with us for 5 years and then moved to Ahmedabad. Still lives in Gujarat for more than 20+ years. He hasn't really picked up Gujarati. We converse with him in Hindi whenever we meet him.

I had a college friend whose parents are from Kerala. And she was born in Gujarat. They have settled down in Gujarat. She still can't speak Gujarati. She either converse in Hindi or English. She speaks fine Malyalam though even after being born in Gujarat & living there all her life.

According to you, What should I tell neighbor uncle and this college friend? Get frustrated over them?

Until today I never had the slightest of idea that if migrants can't pick up local language, it is something to look down upon? What is it to be frustrated about? They are not born with the local language. They can't. It's as simple as that. Why can't we be more accommodating.. accepting?

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Resh

@SheDevil

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Posted: 8 years ago

#206

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

No u didn't say to learn but I m just speaking about the problems with learning Hindi. Eventually everyone will forget their own mother tongue. Like u said we have no time to keep learning all languages.We have to study actual subjects too This is why people are giving up on their mother tongue and moving to other languages. Thus killing the local languages slowly. Learn Hindi in India. learn English outside India. Since no one cares about my mother tongue its better to forget about it.Thats the attitude now.

People from all mediums are looked down upon. We love discriminating people that way. Nothing special with Hindi. They will treat u the same if u come from any other local language.Sometimes even I get hate for coming from an english medium school 😆 Apparently I m not Indian enough if I can't read hindi properly.

Hhaha that is a general way now. My best friend is Bengali and when she speaks English, I ask her what she is speaking. So, now I know a few words here and there out of interest

I cannot speak in my mother tongue properly. Though my mom insists that I should . So with her I converse in my mother tongue, but every where else I use either English or Hindi because majority of people know it even though tooti phooti. I guess every Indian language has threat from English as well not only Hindi. But, if we have strong values, I don't think we will stop learning our own mother tongue. I am learning it now😆

Agree! We love discrimination and even I am made fun of when I cannot count in Hindi, but its okay.

Frankly speaking, there are bigger problems that India has to tackle beside language and we fighting and debating or degrading each other on basis caste, religion, language and color is not helping and ultimately will give us a bad image globally. In era of globalization, we should start accepting people I guess. But that's just my point

Edited by SheDevil - 8 years ago

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566912

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Posted: 8 years ago

#207

Originally posted by: KhatamKahani
@NimbuMirchi, if Gujaratis didn't oppose Hindi and are fine with Hindi being used, that is on them.

And unlike you, I never have said people shouldn't converse in their own language. I have praised multi-linguilism, and said migrants retain their own language and culture with no problem. If people speak on train in their own languages in their groups I have no problem.

And in all this, you still don't give answer to Hindi imposition. Why should local languages be taken in tickets, rail roads, aiports signs, etc etc by Hindi. Why should applications and services by central gov't in these areas not have local language? Why is Union gov't putting only Hindi in road makers in South India?

A country should have a unified language? Indian was brought together as a union of states. And there are countries in Europe with three languages without any of them being the unified language.

@bold -- It's rude and In America, People don't converse in Trains in loud voice. It frustrates others. It's manner less to not consider basics of the country you are residing in.

See, I don't know about Govt. applications n boards. But I think, Hindi should be one compulsory subject to learn in School along with English. At least it gives us common language to converse on.

Union of states? India has one constitution. LOL. Such a separatist mindset.

This will be my last post on the thread though. Don't have enough posts. And time at hand. I don't see we agreeing. Coz you have very regional oriented view. I don't. I see any Indian here in USA, I get happy.

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~*sindhu*~

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Posted: 8 years ago

#208

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

My Friend's Dad is Bengali and Mom is Gujarati. Uncle moved to Gujarat and have lived there all his life.
Uncle hasn't really picked up Gujarati. We all talk with him in Hindi.

Until today I never had the slightest of idea that if migrants can't pick up local language, it is something to look down upon? What is it to be frustrated about? They are not born with the local language. They can't. It's as simple as that. Why can't we be more accommodating.. accepting?

But didn't we learn Hindi to communicate with them? Where we born with hindi as our mother tongue? No we learnt it. It was compulsory in school. So why is it unfair to ask a hindi speaking person to learn another language too?Especially when u live in another state where the local language is different. What if someone who never went to school and was not exposed to hindi comes across them.How will they deal with them? Why everything needs to be hindi for their convenience while the rest struggles with it? How is it promoting equality ?

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KhatamKahani

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Posted: 8 years ago

#209

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

My Friend's Dad is Bengali and Mom is Gujarati. Uncle moved to Gujarat and have lived there all his life.
Uncle hasn't really picked up Gujarati. We all talk with him in Hindi.

@Khatamkahani -- Like I said, I had a neighbor from Tamilnadu. He stayed with us for 5 years and then moved to Ahmedabad. Still lives in Gujarat for more than 20+ years. He hasn't really picked up Gujarati. We converse with him in Hindi whenever we meet him.

I had a college friend whose parents are from Kerala. And she was born in Gujarat. They have settled down in Gujarat. She still can't speak Gujarati. She either converse in Hindi or English. She speaks fine Malyalam though even after being born in Gujarat & living there all her life.

According to you, What should I tell neighbor uncle and this college friend? Get frustrated over them?

Until today I never had the slightest of idea that if migrants can't pick up local language, it is something to look down upon? What is it to be frustrated about? They are not born with the local language. They can't. It's as simple as that. Why can't we be more accommodating.. accepting?

I have written somewhere in this thread that I am not saying they have to be fluent or be perfect or even pick it up right away. Again multilinguilism is different than imposition of Hindi. If two people meet up and they have a common language, you can converse in that language. But when Hindi is a compulsory language in schools, and it's assumed everyone should learn or understand Hindi--services in the local language are not provided.

I also made a point about second generations, specifically because I know first generations cannot be fluent. Even then, I am aware of multilingual nature of certain areas and cities, it's why at times I have said local languages plural, because some areas have more than one local language, states more than one local language etc. But even dominant local languages are denied service, and still no answer to this.

Why should highway boards, hoardings, markers that have only Hindi or Hindi and English?

Edit, and oh, if I wasn't clear. Yeah that second generation girl should know Gujarati, but Gujaratis themselves are all for Hindi imposition, so then that's exactly what happens.

Edited by KhatamKahani - 8 years ago

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

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Posted: 8 years ago

#210

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

@bold -- It's rude and In America, People don't converse in Trains in loud voice. It frustrates others. It's manner less to not consider basics of the country you are residing in.

See, I don't know about Govt. applications n boards. But I think, Hindi should be one compulsory subject to learn in School along with English. At least it gives us common language to converse on.

Union of states? India has one constitution. LOL. Such a separatist mindset.

This will be my last post on the thread though. Don't have enough posts. And time at hand. I don't see we agreeing. Coz you have very regional oriented view. I don't. I see any Indian here in USA, I get happy.

No, not really. Yes, if it's LOUDLY I agree, which is rude in English too. But in American cities, you can always hear various languages being used in the subway, buses, etc etc amongst people. Rudeness in talking loudly is different than talking in a different language.

Wow, now you come with separatism. The constitution itself says union of states and you want to bring up constitution.

Yeah I have a regional oriented view just because I am against the imposition of Hindi.

Edited by KhatamKahani - 8 years ago