Will Bollywood Set a Guard on thier Door?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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If anyone thinks Bollywood will weigh down under nepotism, they do not understand its history. Ashok Kumar had once famously said that he was married in sly because his parents were scared the bridal family would find out Ashok was no longer respectable lowly paid sound engineer but a star. Cases such as this forced people who were in the industry to bring their siblings, children, relatives and friends in industry.

While Bollywood has always welcomed its outsiders, they have implicit faith in their insiders. The insider talent is long burning since they are born to this industry. Staying in Bollywood is their biggest desire. There are chaffs that do get thrown out. But what remains is golden.Case in point is Kapoor family. From Prithviraj to Ranbir, every decade has had one Kapoor dishing out hits or working in impactful movie.

Here are few more example- If producer Jaddenbai had not brought her daughter into industry, Mother India would have remained in its original iteration as Aurat. Bimal Roy 's dream would have remained dreams. He actually requested much married and new mom Nutan to come back. This was after her mom Shobhana Samarth had been advised to keep her eldest daughter away after disastrous debut. Prithviraj had famously tried to dissuade people from joining his unproven "junoon se sawar beta" RK's company because he was scared industry would blame him for people losing their livelihood. Barsaat was the result. Dreams are made of movies like Barsaat.

Insiders like Salman and Aamir are still dominating the scenes with their movie. Some like Hritik, Shahid, RK, Varun and Alia have proven their worth. Shahrukh is perhaps one of biggest outsider in this industry and even he has acknowledged the worth of silence. Something that has escaped notice of big female stars such as DP and Kangana who attacked not one but two of the insiders. Whether the insiders lost the shine because of attack or whether it was co-incidental is besides the point.

With studio closing the door, the power has shifted back to the producer who are Bollywood insider.The question is with constant attack on Bollywood regarding outsiders will it close its door to outside.

Any thoughts on this?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I have no problem with insiders/starkids as long as they stick on to doing their jobs. Some have talent and some asslick directors or use their contacts to make films or make a home production to produce their own films and buy awards.

It only sucks when you get insecure of an outsider and conspire to use a political controversy to your own convince and attack an actor for having made so much popularity with his cameo/minimal roles. Anyways, done with that for now.

Talking about insiders vs outsiders in Bollywood. I would prefer watching movies by outsiders any day because they are all backed up with dexterity and not mere genetics.
Edited by The-Dilettante - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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This whole outsider v insider debate is a valid one because so many talented people lose out on opportunities thanks to untalented star kids. It's also true that star kids get multiple opportunities while outsiders don't have that luxury. Alia got a Highway after SOTY while Ileana is nowhere close after a brilliant performance in Barfi. Ditto with say Ranbir who got a WUS and Rocket Singh after a couple of underwhelming films to begin with. But what is equally baffling is that we begrudge even those star kids who prove themselves. At least in Alia's case, she keeps getting films on a platter and it's obvious KJo gets the best directors for her. That woman acts well and has great screen presence so it's annoying when Karan constantly shoves her down everyone's throat cos at this point she probably can manage on her own. But my point is, why begrudge them even when they are talented? 😕 The whole debate around nepotism is centered around the fact that talented ones don't get opportunities. Does that equate to shunning star kids even if they are talented? I mean I think Ranbir is a great actor. I don't care if he is a star kid cos he is one actor I like to watch on screen. Ditto with say Kareena. Why should I dismiss their talent and support an outsider just because nepotism sucks? The two aren't mutually inclusive anyway. Urgh that was off topic and ended up being too lengthy 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Every point you guys make is interesting and valid. Make no mistake. This is a war between media and Bollywood.

Media is constantly denigrating insiders. Everything Bollywood insider does is being played for fool. Rumors such as "Ranbir can play man-child only" to downplay ADHM's success , Alia is being shoved down the throat to provoke KJO, making Hritik look like a fool and finally hilarious news that hundreds of crore is being setup for star kids (huh).

Outsider don't get chance has become constant battle cry that is gaining momentum in media. It will have a far reaching effects. I am wondering how many careers will end up as casualty in this tug of war.

I am waiting to see how Bollywood's reacts to this. One thing of which I am sure is Bollywood must be seething with anger.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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^^ But then its true that nepotism sucks and most outsiders find it million times tougher to establish themselves in Bollywood..My only issue was that even talented star kids who prove themselves are lumped in the same category..But then the number of worthless star kids who get an opportunity only because of their lineage is quite huge in number..If Ileana/Yami were star kids, they would be stars now after the kind of debut they had..So a lot of criticism is actually true..My only point was, just because you are a star kid, you cant necessarily act well/get people to like you..So that argument is kinda flawed when you discuss star kids who prove themselves cos besides all the nepotism and opportunities they get, they probably do have something in them to make people like him/her..I mean people wouldn't be fans just because you happen to be Raj Kapoor's grandson/grand daughter or Salim Khan/Javed Akhtar's son 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: indfam

Every point you guys make is interesting and valid. Make no mistake. This is a war between media and Bollywood.

Media is constantly denigrating insiders. Everything Bollywood insider does is being played for fool. Rumors such as "Ranbir can play man-child only" to downplay ADHM's success , Alia is being shoved down the throat to provoke KJO, making Hritik look like a fool and finally hilarious news that hundreds of crore is being setup for star kids (huh).

Outsider don't get chance has become constant battle cry that is gaining momentum in media. It will have a far reaching effects. I am wondering how many careers will end up as casualty in this tug of war.

I am waiting to see how Bollywood's reacts to this. One thing of which I am sure is Bollywood must be seething with anger.


Oh please, give me a break while I cry me a river for the poor starkids. 😆 I have absolutely no sympathy for starkids because they do not face casting couches unless they are a Karishma Kapoor. Big launches, more chances to prove themselves. The saving grace is that the market that is the public decides who gets a career.

I have no problem with people like Alia and Ranbir but for every starkid who is talented and hard working there are many who are lazy and entitled. Therefore @Bold, I have no problem with BW starkids career being a casualty at the cost of outsiders in this tug of war.

@Red.
Mediocre talent will create mediocre films. So BW can seethe in anger all they want but they can blame piracy and people not willing to pay money for crap directly on quality of films. South films have nepotism too but the quality and work is generally higher so you can't complain as much as BW IMO.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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^ You are missing the point. Star kids are just weapons. Their parents are usually silent producers. When I talk about insiders, I am talking about production houses that hold key to the safe. I have problem with the Bollywood quality of movie too and constant flow of star kids.

But have you noticed the hold South has over its media. Will Bollywood follow the same? It was done before by Bollywood and it can be done again.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: indfam

^ You are missing the point. Star kids are just weapons. Their parents are usually silent producers. When I talk about insiders, I am talking about production houses that hold key to the safe. I have problem with the Bollywood quality of movie too and constant flow of star kids.

But have you noticed the hold South has over its media. Will Bollywood follow the same? It was done before by Bollywood and it can be done again.


@Bold

Umm...what hold ? The South operates way differently than BW. Tamil and Telugu film industry are very closely entwined in politics. We have three CMs who were 2 former actors (MGR, Jayalalitha) and a writer (karunanidhi) in TN and NTR was a former actor in Andhra. Not to say anything about actors who have gone on to start political parties. Many of these parties have local language newspapers and/or TV channels that directly compete against each other and therefore delight in digging dirt against each other. I don't see anyone controlling anything.

Telugu industry is controlled by families who have a patriarch that is beloved to the masses like ANR or Chiru or NTR. The families also have their own studios. So the sons and grandsons are launched without any outside production help. But they do not have huge careers like the original patriarch.

In Tamil some like Surya or Vijay go on to surpass their parents and have massive fan clubs and possible political aspirations, but not in all cases. It is individual based. Even the daughters of Rajni or Dhanush his son-in-law have not succeeded like Rajni or have the huge adulation he enjoys. Shruti is still trying to find her foothold despite being Kamal's daughter.

Even Dulquar is slowly building up a career in Malayalam based on resume rather than his father's reputation as it should be.
In the end the market decides, thankfully.
@Red. Oh I blame the production houses too. It comes down to the reputation of the film maker and why I must spend money. For instance, I am familiar with South movies and have no clue about other industries except BW. But even in the USA where I live and have Netflix ,based on my viewing history I was recommended a gem of a Marathi movie called Sairat. It had subtitles and so I could watch it and loved it. Now I hear KJO is remaking the movie in Hindi and Jhanvi Kapoor may debut in it. I pay around $12 a month for Netflix, now tell me why I would pay $12 for a ticket and drive to see the BW version when it is made by KJO who I think who has no clue how to handle a movie of such depth and subject matter and have doubts about Jhanvi pulling it off. Reputation matters, KJo's more than Jhanvi's in this case to me. And I am certainly not going to pay to see Jhanvi on screen unproven unless I hear good things about her despite growing up on Sri's movies in multiple languages.

Edited by Justmoi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I love Sairat. I hate KJO is going to remake it. Sadly I think Jhanvi might fit the role. She has got that rough arrogance around her. Say anything about KJo in his superficial way he knows what works best. 😕

That was very interesting Justmoi. Thanks a lot for explaining how south work. I wasn't talking about hold as having hold. Just how the production house are one who pay money and have last word. Like how they asked for extra star before handing out money.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I don't agree with this constant bringing down of insiders..
These kids grow up around the sets, near the arc lights, amidst all the glamour and even see behind the scene hard work..those r the surroundings they r used to..if they aspire to become actors why should anyone have a problem? Everyone has a right to follow their dreams..
Don't people proudly say that we r all doctors in the family..or our whole family is into business..or we r into construction.. haven't we seen examples of lawyers children being lawyers?? It's coz they r familiar with it. Isn't Rahul Gandhi into politics and in charge of a party even when he is totally incapable of being there?
Anyways it's survival of the fittest..biggest of stars haven't been able to sustain their son or daughter's career..Rajkumar, Rajendra Kumar, Shashi kapoor, Dharmendra( just Bobby's), Hema Malini,mala sinha..where r their star kids??
Those who stayed deserved to stay..Bollywood has backed outsiders who had a chance..SRk has Adi and KJo..Deepika had Farah, SRK, Imtiaz, SSR had Yash Raj..
Yester years biggest superstars were outsiders.
Priyanka made it without any inside support..
And believe it or not..Alia lights up the screen more than a Huma, Radhika or Yami..all r talented but I would prefer watching Alia..then Radhika
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