Not every male is Hrithik or Adhyayan. Don't hate us all. - Page 2

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Posted: 9 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: blue-ice

I hate people for their bad deeds...not their gender...u are safe from my side😆


Hey I havent done anything so its not like Im getting bashed. But terms live chauvanist, misognyst, dog, pigs, asshole, jerks, and so many terms have been thrown lately in posts. Even those who dont support Kangana has felt a chord to speak up to broader underlining issues which could be a seperate matter
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Posted: 9 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: rimi2983

Boss jee - Don't take virtual world too seriously.
This forum has shown meanest and most ugly side during fan wars .
But anyone's SOS call brings sweetest personalities here. One post on depression got so many hero stories of fellow members .
Bday posts always brings good wishes from across the fan groups.
When we know rivals well, we don't mind dogs and leg pulling across fan groups and healthy rivalries are maintained.
On topic , we do not hate all men or all boys of this forum. We may disagree very strongly on someone 's POV, but we try not to hate any person unless he/she shows serious obnoxious behaviour


Im suddenly feeling like a Mexican in the Donald Trump era here. 😆 Quite a growing and worrysome build up of resentment being displayed here. Real life experiences and pent up frustrations may be a factor here and not necessarily involving Kangana but it is what it is. Somehow things have blurred between Hrithik and Adhayan the actor and Hrithik and Adhayan the men.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi



And how are you sure, members writing essays are not Zarina Wahab in real life?


LOL. Don't take internet seriously. Men and Women, will bash each other here and then get ready to impress each other outside. 😆😆

Such is life. 😛


I would like to go on record to say since I write essays, if I was Zarina Wahab Aditya would be Aditi by now. 😎
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheBoss


Im suddenly feeling like a Mexican in the Donald Trump era here. 😆 Quite a growing and worrysome build up of resentment being displayed here. Real life experiences and pent up frustrations may be a factor here and not necessarily involving Kangana but it is what it is. Somehow things have blurred between Hrithik and Adhayan the actor and Hrithik and Adhayan the men.


Donald Trump is the republican nominee now...I know that he won't win...but it is making me nervous...heard on TV today and someone told me on twitter that some Sanders supporters are planning not to vote for Hilary
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Boss jee - You are new and you will understand rules of the game sooner or later.
Even if you do not belong to a fan group, you may belong to a hate group , so one way or other, you will be slotted 😆

In HR , Suman and KR war, a lot of POVs came Coz boundaries between truth and lie is so confusing. Male members are behaving as if they have score to settle with KR and entire female population 😆 and when females are called Feminazi, you evoke something in us !! LOL

I am sure , everyone is decent and well behaved. Let this forum remain our outlet .
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: rimi2983

Boss jee - You are new and you will understand rules of the game sooner or later.
Even if you do not belong to a fan group, you may belong to a hate group , so one way or other, you will be slotted 😆

In HR , Suman and KR war, a lot of POVs came Coz boundaries between truth and lie is so confusing. Male members are behaving as if they have score to settle with KR and entire female population 😆 and when females are called Feminazi, you evoke something in us !! LOL

I am sure , everyone is decent and well behaved. Let this forum remain our outlet .


I think I only know 3-4 guys here thats all. thug, maroon and heisen. But there could be more. So those who were arguing could be men who i assumed were girls. That explains.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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You should read this article:

http://time.com/79357/not-all-men-a-brief-history-of-every-dudes-favorite-argument/


Edited by anonymous39 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Dnt care about u but i love hrithik <3


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: blue-ice

I hate people for their bad deeds...not their gender...u are safe from my side😆

I wish some people also think the way you think. Unfortunately...😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Actually let me just post the article --

Not All Men: A Brief History of Every Dude's Favorite Argument


The "not all men" defense against feminist arguments is infuriating and unhelpful, but it also represents a weird kind of progress

On April 10, artist Matt Lubchansky updated his popular webcomic series, Please Listen To Me, with a new comic called "Save Me." It features a presumably mild-mannered fellow in a polo shirt who spots the "Man Signal" and barrels into a phone booth to emerge as a fedora-masked Not-All-Man, "defender of the defended" and "voice for the voiceful." He catches the whiff of misandry in the air " a pink-haired woman in the middle of saying "I'm just sick of how men..." " and smashes through a plate-glass window to play devil's advocate.'

It's a sharp, damning satire of a familiar kind of bad-faith argument, the one where a male interlocutor redirects a discussion about sexism, misogyny, rape culture, or women's rights to instead be about how none of that is his fault. And it struck a nerve.


The comic was retweeted and reblogged tens of thousands of times. Nerd hero Wil Wheaton, comedian Paul F. Tompkins, and comics artist Matt Fraction were among its Tumblr boosters. Within a few days, science fiction writer John Scalzi, who frequently wades into feminist discussion,ranted about the "not all men" defense and followed up by posting the comic. Clearly, Not-All-Man is the antifeminist antihero for our times.

But his origin story is shrouded in mystery. Certainly Lubchansky's comic was not the first humorous deployment of the term. For instance, two weeks before the comic came out, a "Not All Men" Tumblr made the rounds. It featured a handful of movie scenes enhanced with a "not all men" speech bubble " the shark from Jaws jumps in a boat to play devil's advocate, the chestburster from Alien emerges from a man's torso to explain that you're overgeneralizing. And a few days before that, Twitter user @a_girl_irl posted an image of the Kool-Aid man crashing through the wall to deliver the catch phrase.



Before its meteoric rise as an object of mockery in the early parts of 2014, "not all men" had a past life as an object of frustration. For feminist bloggers it was a classic derail, a bad-faith argument used to shift the focus of a discussion instead of engaging with it.

"I know. Not all men are rapists. Not all men abuse their significant others. Not all men actively oppress women. I get it. Moving on," wrote blogger elledeevee at Bitchtopia in July 2013.

But while it was clearly a source of irritation by mid-2013, and ripe for parody last month, "not all men" is curiously absent from earlier compilations of derailing arguments, including the ever-popular bingo cards that people who write about activist subjects on the Internet often make.

Of course, this doesn't mean people weren't not-all-menning it up before 2013. As early as 1985, author Joanna Russ expressed a familiar weariness in her feminist love story On Strike Against God:

But the absence of "not all men" on Internet bingo cards is a striking example of how the phrase, before it rocketed to prominence, went almost unnoticed in online arguments about activist subjects. If a feminist blogger made a derailment bingo card in April of 2013, "not all men" might be the free space in the center. But before last year, the place of prominence currently afforded to the phrase "not all men" was instead held by "what about the men?" and "patriarchy hurts men too" " pleas for inclusion, not for exemption.

Without the assistance of a trained Redditologist, it may not be possible to track down the source of this shift. Most likely "not all men" erupted in several places on the Internet simultaneously and independently, like the invention of calculus " an idea whose time had come. I asked Matt Lubchansky, the Not-All-Man comic's creator, if he remembered where he first heard it; he told me that in his experience it arose from nowhere, or more accurately, from everywhere.

"I don't recall a very specific instance so much as it was sort of everywhere, very suddenly!" Lubchansky wrote in an email. "But instead of this being something with a single origin, i think this phrase is unique among this kind of stuff because it was actually coming from the mouths of these dopes. Like some dummy would for REAL be coming at people talking about racial or gender equality stuff, waving their arms and saying UM ACTUALLY NOT ME!'"


It's true that previous derailment favorites like "patriarchy hurts men too" were paraphrases in a way that "not all men" is not. The demand is the same " "please move me to the center of your discussion" " but "not all men" is, in many cases, straight from the horse's mouth; even an amateur Reddit spelunker can turn up plenty of sulky or defensive uses of the phrase.

"Not all men" also differs from "what about the men?" and other classic derails because it acknowledges that rape, sexism, and misogyny are real issues " just not, you know, real issues that the speaker is involved with in any way. The "not all men" man, at least in some cases, agrees with you and is perfectly willing to talk about how terrible those other guys are, just as soon as we get done establishing that he himself would never be such a cad. It's infuriating and unhelpful, but in a way it represents a weird kind of progress.

Lubchansky agreed that the shift from "but what about men's problems" to "not all men are like that" paralleled his own gradual development into a decent human. Perhaps men arguing on the Internet (though not all men!) follow a developmental path that echoes an individual man growing a social conscience, which in a very simplified form goes something like this:

  1. Sexism is a fake idea invented by feminists
  2. Sexism happens, but the effect of "reverse sexism" on men is as bad or worse
  3. Sexism happens, but the important part is that I personally am not sexist
  4. Sexism happens, and I benefit from that whether or not I personally am sexist
  5. Sexism happens, I benefit from it, I am unavoidably sexist sometimes because I was socialized that way, and if I want to be anti-sexist I have to be actively working against that socialization

Is it possible "not all men" rose to prominence when the level of online discourse moved from stage 2 to stage 3?

The Not-All-Man hero and his minions are paralyzingly obsessed with protecting their own self-concept, to a degree that prevents them from engaging in sincere discussion. But this contrast " between "not all men" and earlier derailing tactics " suggests that maybe they also represent a small and subtle shift towards good-faith argumentation.

Not all men will make that shift, ultimately. But some is better than none.

Edited by anonymous39 - 9 years ago

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