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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Shy_

Prev thread wasnt removed cuz modi only

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Hafeez gt it banned ...a terrorist

Counter started with bin roye was banned too

..india have shiv sena...india have raw who attacked SL players..india have mass murder as pm..indianz had riots ..muslim are toubled in india..


So are Sikhs. But BW forum is hardly to talk about these things or criticise them, right? Criticism is fine, but bringing a politician into the mix just to attack a country or 'shed light' on his wrongdoings when it's completely out of topic, is wrong. There's a thing called 'Debate Mention' that exists in IF. People start to target other people's countries or their politicians for no other reason than just to degrade a country or to prove their point without putting a second thought into what they're actually saying, and a reaction like this for that, is justified.
Edited by Nym. - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Sigh. That thread was fun.
Just few facts - Saif's comments can be debated in different context. His opinion , debatable .

But what annoyed everyone all around especially in India about this ban is the protagonist , who is a terrorist - Hafiz. He has been living there for sometime, there is ample proof and world bodies, various countries have put him on the most wanted list . We can understand the helplessness of the Pak Govt to a point but when this guy gets to walk to a court which refuses to call him a criminal and file up a case against a movie on the basis that it name calls a terrorist outfit and subtly threatens the govt of adverse actions- you know it is to piss people of India and around, especially now when the NSA level talks are cancelled.


While I do understand nobody in their right mind would support him but rather then understanding the anguish over this man, it all became about a ban which was stupid . Because that has happened all around. Bin Roye was quoted- movie got released just like P.K, MNIK, Fanna and many more in India which Shiv Sena tries to protest- heck these movies made money and govt /public both showed the middle finger. Hamlet was anti-army , cetain punjabi movies which talk about riots get released under protest and go on to make money. It's govt's duty to ensure FOE. yet still ban is a state's prerogative and I won't question pakistan over it. But Hafiz and his freedom is a global issue , like Osama was - you cannot defend or deflect it with mud-slinging .

Bringing Modi was hilarious because we all know the tall order of Pak heads who either kill each other or go to jail. i don't see them differently, power and internal issues.

Shiv Sena and the right wings are few powerless thugs now, nobody cares- they whine and we ignore. They went after v-day and look how that was handled. But equating them to Taliban who would kill a girl child for seeking education was off-base. Shiv Senas are right winged politicians who exist in every country including Pakistan.

SL attack by RAW when Taliban proudly accepted the responsibility . An outfit that wants to harm India will work with Raw..nice logic there.

I personally don't like threads to be closed. But well calling Salman a criminal used to get a thread banned but now he is a convict , it's allowed. But we cannot call Modi a terrorist considering court acquitted him..IF logic.

Taliban
Hafiz
Hijubul Mujahideen
AQ
...so many more. If these guys live in Pakistan , have so much freedom then ..I personally will think talks and precautions are a waste because essentially the nation is being played around and it's society be sitting on a time bomb.


Edited by charminggenie - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: starstruckk

You have a thread where Pakistan is being talked about on an Indian forum..where Pakistan is being a called a terrorist nation, the people of Pakistan are so passionate that they even support the terrorists that live there ..an Indian actor makes a statement that he has no faith in Pakistan generally...stuff like jaise terrorist, waise log, what do you expect? Hey, I've lived under MNS and never had a problem all of my life, I'm sure its better than living under the Taliban, not that I'd want that anyway ..are being made...oh and if tomorrow a terror attack occurs in Pakistan don't expect the world to sympathize with Pakistanis .and people here think that no Pakistani here has the right to voice their opinion? Just because it's India Forums? A lot of things fly around here because it is INDIA forums. A lot of other people, from other countries fear saying what is on their minds because of this very same reason..while majority can say whatever they want because this is India-Forums. That thread which I didn't get to fully read before it got closed, had a lot of inappropriate things being said and no one said anything because hey, Hafiz Saeed is a wanted terrorist and he resides in Pakistan so how dare anyone, in particularly a Pakistani say anything that's on their mind...do something about the terrorist first. That's exactly the kind of tone nearly every other person had. The funny thing is that NO ONE ever said they support any terrorist whatsoever..yet the fact that Saeed resides in Pakistan and got a plea kept being drilled into every post that some people failed to even bother reading what any Pakistani was trying to voice..because hey, you guys live with terrorists, how do you have the audacity to say anything here?


And people are upset that digs were made at the prime minister of India.. Upset that a Pakistani actor responded to Saif...that's all messed up but it's okay to take digs at Pakistan and its people and not expect a response because this is India Forums where people besides Indians also post.

I also did not know that you can't appreciate another country's actor yet still have a voice here when it comes to talking about your country generally speaking.


You make very good and important point here.
People do that a lot... I have seen it myself, most treat Pakistanis like they are terrorists..like you said
It's hey you live with a terrorist, that means you must be one or support them...Absolutely wrong and unnecessary, and if Indian can discuss (read trash) Pakistanis on "Indian forum" I don't see why they complain about Pakistanis arguing about the the PM on "Indian forum"

The whole they are not Indians therefore they can't say a word, ban them all if they do is quit pathetic.
And unfortunately this is not the first time I heard this, and no Modi was bashed even back then.
It's pretty hateful to read things like "only Indians shld be allowed on the forum"

Anyways you raised a very important point let's hope everyone sees it like you do.:)
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Posted: 10 years ago
I have noticed Pakistani members defend EVERY Pakistani be it Atif for his besure Surs, some artist who bash India ( remember comedians who bashed India over Mauka Mauka and not a single Pakistani member bashed them instead supported them in this forum ) or a TERRORIST
And our some members, wannabe secular , Who join them in the Abhijit kinda ppl's bashing , himesh's bashing ...
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Posted: 10 years ago
[quote]And yes, ppl who hate India do not deserve to be on INDIA forums. And propping up an argument by calling our PM a terrorist while supporting a terrorist who created mayhem in India tells me just that. That is my opinion & I'm sticking to it.
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Eh, I don't think average Indians hate average Pakistanis and I don't think the average Pakistani hates Indians either.

Most people have almost nothing to do with politics and I would say in Pakistan, they have even less control in their government than in India. Half their history is filled with dictators where they didn't even have a chance to vote. It's pretty hard to hold a normal Pakistani responsible for what their country does.

As an American, I would not want to be held responsible for all the crap Bush did in the world but I would still defend the country. That's how most people are.

If they really hated India, they would not be watching Indian movies and listening to Indian music and being such big fans of Indian actors and even coming to hang out on India-forums and being friends here with many Indians.

People are complicated and it's too easy to say they are haters.
Edited by anonymous39 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: BeinCumberbitch

You make very good and important point here.
People do that a lot... I have seen it myself, most treat Pakistanis like they are terrorists..like you said
It's hey you live with a terrorist, that means you must be one or support them...Absolutely wrong and unnecessary, and if Indian can discuss (read trash) Pakistanis on "Indian forum" I don't see why they complain about Pakistanis arguing about the the PM on "Indian forum"

The whole they are not Indians therefore they can't say a word, ban them all if they do is quit pathetic.
And unfortunately this is not the first time I heard this, and no Modi was bashed even back then.
It's pretty hateful to read things like "only Indians shld be allowed on the forum"

Anyways you raised a very important point let's hope everyone sees it like you do.:)



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The owner of IF made it clear that this forum caters to everyone. People here criticize past prime ministers, other world leaders, watch and criticize foreign shows. Twitter is littered with jokes on present government. Twitter India head can't stop that. Members are equal here. Nobody can ask another member to get out of the forum, country, stop watching the shows/films.
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Posted: 10 years ago


Saif should stop crying now though 🤣
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: TheRowdiest

I have noticed Pakistani members defend EVERY Pakistani be it Atif for his besure Surs, some artist who bash India ( remember comedians who bashed India over Mauka Mauka and not a single Pakistani member bashed them instead supported them in this forum ) or a TERRORIST

And oursomemembers, wannabe secular , Who join them in the Abhijit kinda ppl's bashing , himesh's bashing ...

becoj secularism is in our blood n that's why our complex country is getting stronger day by day.touchwood.
Really without secularism our country is nothing.
Edited by SaxxyBanno - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago


People who say " India-Forums is just for Indians" 🤣 Why are you on Facebook? Twitter? Why are you on the internet??????


So immature... honestly, find better arguments.. 🤣

Lastly, Saif should stop crying, his fate in bollywood has been written already. Whether the film releases or not, it won't change the fact he is a flopity flop.

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: TheRowdiest

I have noticed Pakistani members defend EVERY Pakistani be it Atif for his besure Surs, some artist who bash India ( remember comedians who bashed India over Mauka Mauka and not a single Pakistani member bashed them instead supported them in this forum ) or a TERRORIST

And our some members, wannabe secular , Who join them in the Abhijit kinda ppl's bashing , himesh's bashing ...

And why shouldn't Pakistanis defend their country and countrymen?

Who stops Indians from doing the same?

If Indians can't defend their own it's their problem and not anyone else's...

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