Without support from Khans, BigB KJo to lie low - Page 11

Originally posted by: blue-ice

And people who are comparing how these shows work in the West and no one complains...yes because the country is different...the audience is different...Do u think if HW made a movie like K3G..it will work...no...agle din utar jaayegi theaters se...so ya...this is exactly the emotional, family oriented audience of India who made the shit of KJo block busters...who he is now telling off...by saying...don't drink🥱

India is way too diverse for anyone to generalise, when you speak of Indian culture and values, Indian culture/values according to whom?, we have many religions, classes, castes, languages ideologies, conservatism, liberalism, modernism, traditional, regressiveness, progressiveness, people who love bollywood, people who hate bollywood etc etc... there is no homogenised Indian culture, never was, never will be. Everyone has their own culture and values. This is why India chose to be a democracy, so that it can maintain its diversity and allow its people to chose the life they want to live.

Films like HAHK, DDLJ and K3G have become the butt of jokes amongst the youth in India, they don't identify with it, the NRI's on the other hand love them, because most of them migrated out of India at a time when such films reflected the cultural mores they grew up in, nostalgia.

KJo can tell the family-oriented audience not to drink it because he never served this show to the family audience in the first place, it was never promoted nor marketed to the family audience, so this whole controversy is just ridiculous, making a mountain out of a molehill.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.

India is way too diverse for anyone to generalise, when you speak of Indian culture and values, Indian culture/values according to whom?, we have many religions, classes, castes, languages ideologies, conservatism, liberalism, modernism, traditional, regressiveness, progressiveness, people who love bollywood, people who hate bollywood etc etc... there is no homogenised Indian culture, never was, never will be. Everyone has their own culture and values. This is why India chose to be a democracy, so that it can maintain its diversity and allow its people to chose the life they want to live.

Films like HAHK, DDLJ and K3G have become the butt of jokes amongst the youth in India, they don't identify with it, the NRI's on the other hand love them, because most of them migrated out of India at a time when such films reflected the cultural mores they grew up in, nostalgia.

KJo can tell the family-oriented audience not to drink it because he never served this show to the family audience in the first place, it was never promoted nor marketed to the family audience, so this whole controversy is just ridiculous, making a mountain out of a molehill.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.

India is way too diverse for anyone to generalise, when you speak of Indian culture and values, Indian culture/values according to whom?, we have many religions, classes, castes, languages ideologies, conservatism, liberalism, modernism, traditional, regressiveness, progressiveness, people who love bollywood, people who hate bollywood etc etc... there is no homogenised Indian culture, never was, never will be. Everyone has their own culture and values. This is why India chose to be a democracy, so that it can maintain its diversity and allow its people to chose the life they want to live.

Films like HAHK, DDLJ and K3G have become the butt of jokes amongst the youth in India, they don't identify with it, the NRI's on the other hand love them, because most of them migrated out of India at a time when such films reflected the cultural mores they grew up in, nostalgia.

KJo can tell the family-oriented audience not to drink it because he never served this show to the family audience in the first place, it was never promoted nor marketed to the family audience, so this whole controversy is just ridiculous, making a mountain out of a molehill.

Originally posted by: IAmLuvBolly

I want to reiterate that the Bachchans and Khans are fully within their rights to keep mum. There is no indications that Karan is whining. It was entirely my opinion and thought process about the Bachchans not taking a stand. I still stand by my views. They don't have to but they should say something.

Bachchans and Aamir Khan's controversies have been of personal nature, as far as I know. I don't know if any of it pertained to something as serious as freedom of expression, or something as serious as women's issues such the open letter or Priety's abuse complaint.

The charity angle is not something to cover up the issues here. Karan announced it at the end of the show before there was any controversy or before it even aired or anything about it got tweeted.

What happened during Drona? What kind of controversy did Jaya cause then?

When Fanaa was banned was it personal controversy?

When press issued a ban on Amitabh Bachchan in 70s was it personal controversy?

When Ash was harassed by Salman, who supported her?

Who supported them then?

SRK doesn't have to prove to his Pathan guts by supporting K Jo. He is not involved in it.

Rather where is Karan Johar's maturity now? Can't handle reactions to his own act?

Funny how you want to impose acceptance of such content as well as support from uninvolved parties!

Originally posted by: atominis

When Fanaa was banned was it personal controversy?

When press issued a ban on Amitabh Bachchan in 70s was it personal controversy?

When Ash was harassed by Salman, who supported her?

Who supported them then?

SRK doesn't have to prove to his Pathan guts by supporting K Jo. He is not involved in it.

Rather where is Karan Johar's maturity now? Can't handle reactions to his own act?

Funny how you want to impose acceptance of such content as well as support from uninvolved parties!

I am not questioning Karan's maturity.

I am questioning maturity experts here who now want others to support Karan Johar.

Why expect others to support him?

If you call it your personal opinion then please understand others have their personal opinion too. And they have as much right to stand by those opinions as you have to stand by yours.BTW even Karan Johar didn't support anyone in their controversies, including Ash.

Originally posted by: atominis

I am not questioning Karan's maturity.

I am questioning maturity experts here who now want others to support Karan Johar.

Why expect others to support him?

If you call it your personal opinion then please understand others have their personal opinion too. And they have as much right to stand by those opinions as you have to stand by yours.BTW even Karan Johar didn't support anyone in their controversies, including Ash.

Originally posted by: blue-ice

@ Red...Kjo...he has exploited and made a career by exploiting the indian culture...and yes the Indian culture is diverse but still there are parts of it that everyone identifies with it...like respecting the elders...family values...believing in the institution of marriage...go to any part of india...these things never change...don't try to get into the technicalities of everything...just to justify whatever happened in AIB...so a joke was not made on Farida Jalal...but Ranveer...yeah technically...but try telling the family of FL that a pervert likes to jerk off FL...but hey don't feel offeneded...because the joke is on the guy..ur wife/mom/grandma has nothing to do with it...Good luck doing that...trying to down play everything by getting into technical details doesn't work every time...

So what?, he is a film maker and he is allowed to make whatever type of cinema he wants, all businesses exploit the market to make money, film business is no different. Just cause he made nauseating NRI-pandering movies in the past, doesn't mean he can't diversify to other genres, if SRK and Lallu want to play safe and churn out the same shit all their lives to keep their fans happy, that's their choice, no-one is obliged to follow them.

Your idea of Indian culture is based on your own perception, you've chosen a few things which you believe is representative of Indian culture and that "everyone" identifies with it, and that these things are immutable, which is just pure fantasy. The institution of marriage is breaking down, divorce rates are going up, more and more young people are delaying marriage or refusing to marry altogether, extended families are pretty much gone, premarital sex is rampant. Today, even girls secretly watch po*n with their girlfriends and laugh and joke about it.

What does having family values even mean?, that is such an ambiguous term, an individual is a part of a family and yet he is an individual, his own person, his own likes, dislikes and interests, and has the right to pursue whatever he wants, has the right to watch whatever kind of entertainment he wants without his family. Even in the west, a family would watch a movie that the whole family can watch together, that doesn't mean that the parents can't enjoy adult entertainment when their kids are not around. Once those kids grow old enough to independently explore things on their own, they will not want to be spoonfed by their parents.

Originally posted by: blue-ice

@ blue...so now the Blockbusters and the huge hits like DDLJ , HAHK...have nothing to do with the Indian audience...they are a hit because of the NRIs?? Seriously this is so ridiculous that i don't even know what to say😆...wait for PRDP and see how much it makes and then we will talk about Indian youth rejecting these movies😆[/quote]

I am talking about the Indian youth of today, not the audience of 20 years ago, today's generation take the piss out of these films, they are quite embarrassing and regressive for modern times, yes the NRIs still love these movies, because they have this flawed perception of Indian culture that doesn't really exist anymore.

He didn't say f**k off, he advised people not to watch it if they're easily offended - "If it's not your cup of tea, don't drink it", perfectly reasonable.

What SRK and Lallu do is entirely their choice, if they did a po*n movie, you wouldn't be obliged to watch it, if you got so hurt that you could no longer be their fan, then don't be. Fans need to realise that they don't own the celebrities they love.

Edited by Heisenberg. - 10 years ago

The way you are constantly pointing out SRK and Bachchans for not supporting K Jo shows how much you respect their freedom to remain silent.

Fact is there is no need to drag unrelated people in one's own matter at all. It is not even a matter of debate. Especially when a guy like K Jo has not supported others in their troubles himself in past. What is he or his sympathiser brigade expecting now?

His freedom of expression is a different issue. Others' freedom to get involved or not is a separate issue.