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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I could call Hephaestus horrendously ugly, Aphrodite a wh**e, Apollo a self-obsessed narcissist and Zeus a fickle dictator and no one would give a damn. However, I couldn't get away saying anything against the Hindu pantheon.

Thats because unlike Greeks, Indians do base their religion around mythology. His questions were very basic and even the normal google clicks would have shown , Knocking at the wrong door perhaps, Hadey?

Which gives us a thought to reflect on - The Gods themselves have no power or divinity. They are ideas that exist solely on the basis that people believe in them.

Well, I would know what Mr K. Universe would say on this 😆 , probably this is for Debate Mansion. But religion is one of those few constraints which bound humans in communities. Hence followers have the power and they want it to stay united and together. Survival of the fittest .

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades


Which gives us a thought to reflect on - The Gods themselves have no power or divinity. They are ideas that exist solely on the basis that people believe in them.

If there r no ppl, there r no ideas, if there r no ideas, there r no God.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SIR.MEOWINGTON

Just reacting to his statements is also like giving validation to what he is saying.

Just ignore and move on.


Probably the wisest thing, difficult to follow though.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: AllBlacks1


What r u talking abt? U can say anything abt Hindusim.. no1 will ask for Fatwa on ur head! 😆

Say something abt islam.. if u dare? 😆 Like a simple question.. mosque is Allah's place.. why r women not invited? 😆

😛 y so hatred
u have misconception dude they are allowed in mosques 😛


Why are women not allowed in the mosque?

Answer:

1. There is not a single verse in the Qur'an, which prohibits ladies from entering mosques. There is not a single authentic Hadith which I am aware of which states that the Prophet (pbuh) prevented or forbade women from going to mosques.

There is only one Hadith, which perhaps could have been misunderstood to mean that women should not go to the mosque. That Hadith is as follows:

Abdullah Bin Mas'ud reported the Prophet (pbuh) as saying: It is more excellent for a woman to pray in her house than in her courtyard, and more excellent for her to pray in her private chamber than in her house. [Sunan Abu Dawood Vol.1 Chapter 204 Hadith No.570]

If you base your conclusion only on this single Hadith, then you may wrongly conclude that it is not advisable or preferable for women to go to the mosque. However, your conclusion cannot be based only on one Hadith neglecting or ignoring all the other Ahadith. The context of the Hadith is also very important.

The Prophet (pbuh) said that if a person prays in the mosque he gets 27 times more blessings (Sawab). Some women argued that they had infants at home and other household work and therefore could not go to the mosque. Thus, the men would have a greater advantage than women for receiving such blessings. It is then that the Prophet (pbuh) said the above Hadith.

Hence, the conclusion is that in situations where women have infants and household work, which too is an important duty that cannot be neglected, women would not be deprived of the sawaab (blessings) if they pray in their own homes.

2. There are several Ahadith which prove that both men and women used to go to the mosques during the life of the prophet (pbuh):

(i) The Prophet (pbuh) said, Do not prevent the female servants of Allah from going to the mosque of Allah.' [Sahih Muslim Vol.1 Chapter 177 Hadith No.886]

(ii) And husbands were specifically told by him, "If the wife of any one of you asks permission (to go to the mosque) do not forbid her." (Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book of Salaah, Chapter 80, Hadith No. 832)

(iii) From the time the Prophet (pbuh) entered Madinah, after Hijra, till his demise, he never prevented women from entering the mosque.

(iv) During the time of the Prophet (pbuh), women not only went to the mosques for prayer but also for religious education and literary discussions as the mosque was the centre of community. Several Ahadith tell us that the Prophet (pbuh) addressed people in the mosque, and the audience consisted of both Muslim men and women. Women many a times asked questions to the Prophet (pbuh) in the mosque.

(v) During the Prophet's (pbuh) time, mosques had separate entrances for ladies. Women filled the mosques from behind while men had separate entrances and filled the mosques from the front. In between the two sections were children.

(vi) It is reported by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet (Pbuh) said: "The best rows for men are the first rows, and the worst ones are the last. The best rows for women are the last ones, and the worst ones for them are the first." [Sahih Muslim Vol.1 Chapter 175 Hadith No.881)

3. Islam permits women to pray in mosques. Ladies should have separate and equal facilities. Islam does not permit the intermingling of sexes. Otherwise, there will be a similar scene in mosques like other places of worship where some people even come for bird-watching' and eve teasing.

4. In recent times, women are not allowed in mosques in a few countries especially in India and its neighbouring countries. Otherwise, in most of the other countries, women are allowed in mosques. Women are allowed in mosques in Saudi Arabia, in U.A.E; in Egypt, in U.S.A; in the U.K and in Singapore. Women are also allowed in the sacred mosques, Masjid-e-Haram in Makkah and in Masjid-e-Nabawi in Madinah.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie


Probably the wisest thing, difficult to follow though.


True, but not impossible.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: blue-ice


How are u so sure?? If a celebrity says that...this topic would burn up all the channels on TV...



Because it has been said and done in Xena and Hercules. I would bet my eternal soul no one cares.

@Genie - Even ancient Europeans based their religion around myths. The pantheon was sacred to the ancients. Inquisitions, conversions and crusades ensured that the ancient beliefs were wiped out and only myths remain. The point was to show that religion has any standing only when people believe. Even today aboriginal and fringe religions are marginalized.


Edited by return_to_hades - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Oh dear, women only have infants... damn. I wud have thot women with new born blessings of God shu visit god's place more often.
But thats ammm.. some Hindu sects also dont give women the equal power. The place in haridwar I have been, women r priests.. and the equality is so amzing. In fact, our choice of God is Shakti... Maa Gayatri. Gayatri Mantra being the maha mantra.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AllBlacks1

What r u talking abt? U can say anything abt Hindusim.. no1 will ask for Fatwa on ur head! 😆

Say something abt islam.. if u dare? 😆 Like a simple question.. mosque is Allah's place.. why r women not invited? 😆



All humans propagating rigid doctrinal organized belief systems are crazy. They are all just crazy in different ways.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#29

Originally posted by: return_to_hades



All humans propagating rigid doctrinal organized belief systems are crazy. They are all just crazy in different ways.



And where do u stand? After analysis, U gotta have some path of ur choice.. or no choice?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: MaNeBhiPyarKiya

😛 y so hatred

u have misconception dude they are allowed in mosques 😛



Thanks for the explanations. I hope you wouldn't mind me asking some further clarification. Why doesn't Islam allow intermingling of the sexes? Isn't all humanity created equal - both men and women? Secondly, if Islam does not explicitly forbid women from entering mosques why are women not allowed to go to mosques even today when we know better about equality? Can a woman become a cleric?


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