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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tantal

I still get my head arounf the fact that a plane can fly for 4-5 hours undetected over multiple countries. Once a plane goes off the radar, wouldn't the Ground control office immediately alert all the satellite stations and radar controls to search for it? It's not like a Boeing jet is like a small puppy which can get lost in the bushes in the park.


Tantal,
That is the sheer coincidence here! It did not fly over multiple countries...it flew for most part over the Indian Ocean...and Radar signals over water are at their weakest.
Yet, it doesn't make any sense, that no one noticed such a huge plane flying off-course for not one or two, but 4 hours!😕
Why do I have this feeling that India is being unusually quiet about this?🤔 India has an active satellite (I think its called Rukmini) over the Andaman Sea...unless it was malfunctioning, no reason why it did not pick up anything!!!
Plus, there is a massive Indian airforce base on Port Blair and it covers every inch of the Andaman Sea...there is no way that the plane could happily fly past the area with our people having no clue about it!
Either someone, somewhere is hiding information or something genuinly baffling and inexplicable has happened!
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Posted: 11 years ago
if not mid - air explosion, then it had a dive deep deep down the ocean, straight down.
feel sorry for the families. what they must be going thru..
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Posted: 11 years ago
@Poppy- I have read that switching of transponders is a complicated thing...it is not at all easy. I mean it's not a one switch on/ off thing! How can a disoriented person(due to the lack of oxygen) manage that?
I think you must have read this mumbling thing in this-


A pilot claims to have made contact with Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 shortly before it went missing - but all he heard was interference, static and mumbling

In an interview with a Malaysian newspaper, the man said he got in touch with the plane via his emergency frequency at the request of Vietnamese aviation authorities, who had been unable to reach it as expected.

Vietnam does not believe the flight entered its airspace.

The unnamed man said his Japan-bound plane was deep into Vietnamese airspace when officials asked him to relay to MH370 to establish its position, and that he succeeded at about 1.30am local time.

He told the New Straits Times: "The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie [Ahmad Shah, 53,] or Fariq [Abdul Hamid, 27], but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

"There were a lot of interference ... static ... but I heard mumbling from the other end.

"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection."

He said he did not think any more of it at the time, as losing connections was common.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-interference-3222529#ixzz2viRIYT4t
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Edited by SG200 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

MH370 search: India sends 4 warships, 6 aircraft

March 13, 2014 21:37 IST

Joining global efforts to locate the Malaysian plane, India has deployed four warships along with six aircraft, including the latest special surveillance P-8I plane and three helicopters, under the 'Operation Searchlight'.

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India pressed its assets into service after a formal request from Indian High Commissioner in Kuala Lumpur as the search expanded to cover an area stretching from South China Sea to Andaman Sea.

Four warships have been despatched from Andaman and Nicobar Command including INS Kumbhir, INS Kesari and INS Saryu from Navy and Coast Guard Ship Kanaklata Baruah to the areas specified by the Malaysian government, Navy officials said.

The Indian assets also include two Dornier aircraft from the Coast Guard and the Navy along with the P-8I maritime surveillance aircraft from INS Rajali in Tamil Nadu, they said.

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The IAF has also deployed two of its latest C-130J Super Hercules transport aircraft from Hindan air base and it is expected to reach Port Blair very soon.

The Indian warships and planes were expected to join the effort late tonight in the 35,000 square km area identified by the Malaysian authorities for search operations, they said.

The Indian operations in the task are being handled by the Navy and instructions are being passed to the officials on ground from the Naval headquarters in New Delhi, they said.

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The tri-service Andaman and Nicobar Command is providing the assets for the search operations.

The area indicated by Malaysia lies in the SouthAndamanSea and is West of Great Nicobar Island, the Defence Ministry said in a statement here.

The Defence Crisis Management Group is also being activated from Thursday to monitor the progress of the search operations at Headquarter Integrated Defence Staff, it added.

"With a request for help from the government of Malaysia in tracing the missing Malaysian Airline aircraft, the focus of the search has shifted westward towards Andaman Sea. A formal request in this regard was received from Indian High Commissioner in Kuala Lumpur," the statement said.

"With the search expanded to cover an area stretching from South China Sea to AndamanSea, the Indian Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard have been pressed into service for the search of the missing aircraft," it added.

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The statement said the air effort for searching the area extensively will include two C-130 planes, one Mi-17 V5 helicopter of Indian Air Force and Dornier and P8i, maritime reconnaissance aircraft of Indian Navy.

In addition, ships of Indian Navy and Coast Guard will be combing the area to locate the possible crash site.

"Both Navy and Air Force are also ready to reinforce their assets on short notice," it said.

The Commander-in-Chief Andaman and Nicobar Command has been nominated as the Overall Force Commander and Headquarter Integrated Defence Staff is coordinating the entire effort between MoD and Services.

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Indian Navy has been designated the lead Service.

The Headquarters Andaman and Nicobar Command, being the nodal agency, will assist Malaysia in all possible manner for the search in the area of AndamanSea.

The Navy is understood to be using its Rukmini surveillance satellite for locating the missing plane.

The Beijing-bound Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 plane, with 239 people including five Indians on board, vanished over the South China Sea on Friday an hour after taking off from Kuala Lumpur.

Search and rescue operations which had been mobilised since early Saturday morning have failed to find the jetliner in the South China Sea and authorities have expanded the area of search into the Andaman Sea, Malaysian officials said.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan

Exactly! If you've watched Air Crash Investigation on NatGeo, pilots rely a tad too much on those indicators. A lot of accidents have happened because of faulty indicators. It is not like they are going on a road that they will realize as soon as they go off the path... it's in air.. 40k feet high in the sky.. at 1:30 AM in the night.. pitch dark.. they wouldn't realize. What would start as a one degree shift could potentially land up in a completely different place.
There have been no confirmed reports about it flying for another 6 hours. The Rolce Royce guys said it flew for another four hours but it was immediately shot down as false by the Malay govt.
Even if it did fly 4 hours, they wouldn't realize because the indicator could be showing that they're on the right path... when in reality they're flying over the Indian Ocean..

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SG200

@Poppy- Lack of oxygen does make sense but the switching off the transponders is what makes it unlikely. Transponders can be switched off only manually. Why would a pilot do that unless he was forced to do so! I think only recovery of black box can throw some light on this mystery but it's going to be a long & tedious process. Hopefully the black box will be recovered before 30 days otherwise the battery will run out.



You make a good point. There's no reason why the transponders would be switched off. But then, no terror links have been established to anybody on the plane.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SG200

@Poppy- I have read that switching of transponders is a complicated thing...it is not at all easy. I mean it's not a one switch on/ off thing! How can a disoriented person(due to the lack of oxygen) manage that?

Turning off the transponder is apparently as simple as turn off a bulb.. from an Avionics forum...

"The device you are talking about is called a transponder. This is a device that listens for a signal (an interrogation) and responds with information about the airplane including an ATC assigned code, altitude information and additional aircraft info for certain equipment.

There are 2 ways ATC watches airplanes:

  • Primary Radar
  • Secondary Surveillance Radar

The transponder is interrogated by the Secondary radar and the response is listened for. Even with no transponder, the aircraft can still be tracked by primary radar. This is just a normal radar that is good at seeing airplane sized objects and not so great at seeing weather and can occasionally spot a large flock of birds. The primary radar is what provides the "blip" on radar and tracks the airplane. The datablock ATC has on the airplane comes from the secondary, so what ATC will see is a blip with no information. Turning off the transponder is as simple as setting it to OFF or pulling a circuit breaker and yes, it can be selected OFF in flight, it is just a switch.

The problem with radar is that it only works so far from a radar transmitter and the further away you are the higher you must be to be seen by the radar. Over the ocean away from land, you are going to be on the fringe of radar or out of radar contact completely and thus unable to be tracked directly by ATC (at this point, non-radar procedures such as position reporting and ETAs can be used to track positions).

The flight in question was apparently visible by a military radar before it disappeared from the scopes (it allegedly observed what appeared to be a turn back toward its origin)."

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Posted: 11 years ago
Too many questions, summed up as follows:

1. Why did Rukmini or the Naval base radar not pick up anything?

2. What did the Civil Aviation Chief of Malayasia mean and what "undisclosed location" did the minister go off to?

3. Why were the transponders switched off?



4. Why did the ground control not notify when the plane went off-route?

5. If it was a hijack attempt, then how come no leads on that front?
Edited by krystal_watz - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Another issue I personally have is now US/Malayasia ( or whoever, don't even know anymore) are now saying that the plane was making "ping" attempts of communication 4-5 hours after it disappeared off the radar.

Am I the only one who finds that ridiculous? It took 6 days for them to get that information? This is a crisis! I would've expected them to have that information within 24-48 hours based on the urgency of this situation. How could they not look into that before?

The plane flying for 4-5 hours is STILL odd. Like I said before, the oceans are watched by Air Force the Navy Army. If it had crashed into the ocean, water or anywhere, how could no satellite, navy officer or anyone pick that up? If they find that plane in the Indian Ocean, India is going to be criticized BADLY for this.

I wont be surprised if in a couple of hours, this "plane flew for several hours" thing gets denied. They always retract everything they say.

And...if the plane infact DID fly for 4-5 hours more, then that's for sure a terrorist hijack, because they would mean they had plenty of time to contact someone about the situation.
Edited by Shaitan-Haiwan - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
The terror angle that got rejected in the beginning now seems probable actually. But why isn't there anything on that front? (barring Chinese rumours of Uyghur militants being behind it)

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