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Posted: 14 years ago
I'd say Madhur sign Karisma or Rani... perfect vendetta
While Bachchan Bahu delivers a baby... Madhur delivers a ATBB... hisaab barabar... isko kehtein hain "Kudrat ka Insaaf"...
if a B grade producer wants this title they can PM me!!😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
Real selfish and unproffesional decision of Ash -nothing new though-:P

Madhur should rope in Rani/Tabu and complete the movie,instead of shelving his dream project
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Posted: 14 years ago

Heroine cannot be pulled off by a pregnant

Just a day after Madhur Bhandarkar wrote a detailed blog about the shelving of his ambitious project Heroine following Aishwarya Rai Bachchan's pregnancy, the writer of the film Anuraadha Tewari express her views on the matter which seems to have been blown out of proportion. Here is what she has posted on her social networking profiles.

I think this one has to be the non debate of the century. I mean I can't believe it's become about gender discrimination – my first reaction was huh??

This is the VISUAL medium. Unlike any other profession, this is work where writers and directors 'visualize' things and break their backs trying to make it all real or believable or both. Am not even harping on glamour, am just saying believable. The character in 'Heroine' (since I have written it) CANNOT be pulled off by someone pregnant. It is as SIMPLE as that. Forget the physical strain and emotional stress and all that jazz, we can keep debating that ad nauseum . . . it simply does NOT fit into THIS role. This is a strictly adult film with mature content (no it's not po*n). It's just bold in the visual and mature in what it's depicting.

Of course, people have gone on about it without knowing ANYTHING about the script. But surely knowing the kind of cinema the Director is known for, I can assure you it is NOT nice, even for an informed audience member like me to see a pregnant woman drink and smoke and snort coke and sleep with various people. I would cringe, seriously I would! Much like if I knew Malaika Arora was pregnant while doing Munni Badnaam (not before and after), or Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct . Or Hema Malini in Sholay as Basanti or Kareena Kapoor in We Are Family while the other actress in both the Films (Jaya and Kajol) was pregnant – cause it didn't get in the way of their roles . . . simple.

It is about creative liberty and NOT about desirability in Motherhood that it's suddenly been turned into. OF COURSE Malaika is hot even now, post motherhood. Most Hollywood actresses are! What's sex appeal got to do with Motherhood anyways??? Rani isn't considered hot without being married or a mother, Malaika is hot with both . . . so??? Am just amazed that we have such short attention spans that anything that is said in a high pitch with authority becomes the truth . . . I mean really!!!

As for the contentious pregnancy clause... well, I am personally all for it. Because it's a CLAUSE not a LAW! No one is saying that there should be a law stating that no actress can ever be a Mother. It is a clause that may be needed in a certain Film. I think that should be left to the Producers as well as the actress. Actors include clauses of their own (some of them would really kill you!) so why not one from the makers' side. The actress can REFUSE if she doesn't find it important or applicable or offensive or whatever. She has a Choice. But here is what the clause protects – not just the Producers' money but the hard work of an ENTIRE unit. People seem to be forgetting that altogether! Like in the case of 'Heroine' where because of the actress not fitting into the role anymore, the Film gets plugged and at least a 100 technicians find themselves jobless. All of us employed for the next 6 months (not writers but the others) are suddenly without work and NO MONEY!!! (Even writers are only paid about 50% before shoot). So the situation is not just responsible for the Makers. It is so for the ENTIRE unit – the true victims of the case.

Having said all of this, and in no mood to mud sling and as the only woman on the team I must state that I am quite CONVINCED that the intention of the Actress was NOT to be unfair or dishonest. I personally think (and have said so earlier) she was genuinely warm and receptive and TRULY CARED for the script. However, my sense is that she was caught in a personal situation – a very tricky one at that and perhaps hoped that it would all work out in the end, especially, since I have no doubts on her dedication and sincerity to the Film. My feeling is that it sort of got baldy handled from the announcement onwards. Even after that things could have been sorted from both ends and, knowing the Director, if sorted amicably, there is no DOUBT in my head that he would have waited for her to return.

What saddened and intensely angered me were the planted stories thereafter (I must congratulate the PR though . . . it's a great job done, seriously!) to try and fudge and confuse the issue and getting gender into it. But am over that now... past the anger and past the frustration of watching 4 months of hard work, sleepless nights and missing life for a script DESIGNED for someone to go down the drain overnight. Knowing that my market value itself will suffer because of a shelved project . . . I am done with that and moved on and let go.

In this business, and otherwise, the only thing one can be is being true to one's craft and retain one's integrity and keep up the passion no matter what. Hopefully we have all done that and now let go knowing the Universe will do the right thing... do the needful. Like it always does :)
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Posted: 14 years ago
hmm

though i still feel sorry for Bhandarkar and the overall crew I prefer the writer's balanced view and expression of her opinions... definitely better than the wallowing in self pity seen in Bhandarkar's blog.
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: kshreya2002



Having said all of this, and in no mood to mud sling and as the only woman on the team I must state that I am quite CONVINCED that the intention of the Actress was NOT to be unfair or dishonest. I personally think (and have said so earlier) she was genuinely warm and receptive and TRULY CARED for the script. However, my sense is that she was caught in a personal situation ' a very tricky one at that and perhaps hoped that it would all work out in the end, especially, since I have no doubts on her dedication and sincerity to the Film. My feeling is that it sort of got baldy handled from the announcement onwards. Even after that things could have been sorted from both ends and, knowing the Director, if sorted amicably, there is no DOUBT in my head that he would have waited for her to return.



A sensible post, however, there is a comment under the article which I agree with as well.


A pregnant woman cannot drink and smoke? Why does the writer forget that the pregnant woman is playing a character, NOT herself! Did she have to drink the ACTUAL alcohol? No, she could've drunk some colored water. There are things like fake-cigarettes which are used for actors who are non-smokers in real life. Why do people tend to forget that she is only playing a character? When a 5-month pregnant Madhuri Dixit danced as the prostitute in Devdas, nobody complained. I'm sort of bummed as to how a writer can be so obnoxious. A pregnant woman is not disabled or handicapped. She can still work. Yes, cinema is a visual medium. Then why can't she work until the baby bump shows? And post-delivery, she could've completed the rest of the part. This is sheer immaturity on the producers part to have shelved the film and jeopardized life for hundreds of crew working on the film. Films get delayed ALL THE TIME. You just have to accomodate for the best results! When Uma Thurman got pregnant in the middle of Kill Bill, they didn't shelve the film. They shot a little and waited for her to get back. As simple as that. Why can't a similar method be applied in this case? Because all these people want publicity. And we the audience are fools to buy whatever you people say? Huhh?


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Posted: 14 years ago
Anuraadha Tewari knows what is uppp. So why is Madhur the one bitching and moaning? As this drama comes to a close, i hope they find a new actress. All this talk about the thousands of lives that will be made jobless is only chitchat if their going to pull the plug without consideration. A few thousand girls probably want the part of heroine in Heroine. I'm sure one of them will be the real deal.
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: VanityGirl



A sensible post, however, there is a comment under the article which I agree with as well.


What about second- hand smoke? Second-hand smoke can be as dangerous as smoking or even more dangerous than smoking.
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Posted: 14 years ago

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But it's not like Bhandarkar can't find another female to enact this role. This issue here is Mountain. Molehill. What's with this National debate and betting on Bachchan bahu's pregnancy? There have been situations like untimely deaths, actors' imprisonment when 80% completed films were cancelled, films reshot, scripts changed so on and so forth. Filmmaking is a risk. Other than the integrity issue, I really don't think it's that big a deal. 5 crores is not that big an amount. UTV-Bhandarkar should start filming with another actor but I think they also fear a lawsuit for firing a pregnant lady so all this hungama.
Also, Aishwarya made a monkey out of Bhandarkar and he's embarrassed about that fact.

exactly... but when the actor is at fault, nobody really cares about the people involved with the movie... funny, how everyone remembers that NOW... 🤔
i do think ash is at fault here too for hiding the fact, but people making it out to be a national issue is ridiculous... where are people's sense of morality, when the actors delay shootings or put certain projects on the backburner to suit their own needs... where's the talk of the so-called professional courtesy then...??
though, i don't think they are fearing lawsuit of firing a pregnant lady, because they can defend their point in court (if they are not at fault; if the case ever takes off, i.e...)... however, if they also made changes later on, then they are also liable... so there is no way they would be able to win the case...!
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Posted: 14 years ago
Fist thing Aish should have told Madhur personally than have him find out from them media post her FIL's tweets. Second when a film revolves around her she still should have confided with Madhur about the pregnancy and told him she's waiting to finish her first trimester to see how the pregnancy is going to go. In that case Madhur could have planned in a way where the "best" phases of heroine could have been done first and the "down" phases be done later.
True there would have been second hand smoke etc that would not be good for Aish so why would she subject her baby to that by signing this film? I'm pretty sure Aish knew she was pregnant and by signing this film which revolves around her would have been like Umrao Jaan for Rekha and recently Fashion for Priyanka so she didn't want to miss the opportunity. She committed herself and shot a bit but then optimistically thought that the movie would have been put on the back burner until she came back to complete it. This is not right to the producer, director, writer and the 100 technicians as they have committed themselves to this film and were counting on it to complete for their profit (makers) or their daily living (workers) . When a worker is committed to a project they are needed for a set period of time so it's not like they have other projects running at the same time to work on. How can a camera man who was going to film this movie all of a sudden say now that it's canned that btw I have another film right now to work on as well as I always have a back up movie to go work for. These people if they are lucky might be able to get an immediate project to work on if not then they'll have to wait until their next scheudled work starts which could be weeks from now.
Yeah Madhur is hurting as it was his dream project and obvioulsy he would want the best. If confided he could have worked it out but how would that be right for the welfare of the baby if they still kept filming is beyond my imagination. A few weeks from now if Aish got sick or weak due to exhausion then imagine the backlash Madhur would get for not being compassionate and how bad of him to strain a pregnant lady when he knows being the main character he can't work around it. Good for him to shelve this project but it would have been better to get a differnt actress but it would add more to the costs so he maybe he's cutting his losses by scrapping it. Also being it jinxed by first not getting it done by Kareena and then this with Aish he probably doubts the luck of this venture.

The workers on this film are ouf of a livelihood and the prestige of worknigg on a good film that could have made waves of big headlines. It still is but all for the wrong reasons. Hope every technician is able to get back to work right away with other projects than having to wait for their next scheudled project which could be weeks from now. In the meantime what are they going to do without their paycheck they hoped to get for this?

Aish you should have told Madhur personally and second being a senior actress who has a string of movies to her credit you should be a professional and be upfront from the begining not wait to see if the pieces fall into place according to the way you wanted it to work out for your own benefit. This is a mockery of professionalism and work ethics.
Madhur if he changed the scrpt after knowing she's pregnant in order to make it difficult for her to portray the lead role then he's at fault and shame on him but if he changed the script to enhance or sharpen the role then that is his creative right. It's a fineline so a call can't be made about Madhur until we know what those changes were and if they coincide with the overall look of the role or did he just try to overdue it after finding out the news. Hope we found out details later as I'm sad for Madhur right now but if he deliberately changed his script to oust Aish then I won't sympathise with him.
To the monetary loss a loss is a loss and no matter what amount it still hurts. Once a movie is made you have the risk or it making money or loosing money but the move had just started and it already has lost money in the inial phase.
Movies have been shelved due to actors facing imprisionment when 80% filmed but that was the risk the makers knew upfront as the courts could either free or imprision the actor so no one was in the dark. That was a gamble the makers took and it was their right as it was a 50/50' chance there woud be no sentence. This scenario is totally differnent as the actress knew but kept everyone in the dark instead of confiding in the director cuz obviously until she passes the first trimester not everyone is going to be told but confide the director when the film revolves around you.
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: babloo_mka

Fist thing Aish should have told Madhur personally than have him find out from them media post her FIL's tweets. Second when a film revolves around her she still should have confided with Madhur about the pregnancy and told him she's waiting to finish her first trimester to see how the pregnancy is going to go. In that case Madhur could have planned in a way where the "best" phases of heroine could have been done first and the "down" phases be done later.

True there would have been second hand smoke etc that would not be good for Aish so why would she subject her baby to that by signing this film? I'm pretty sure Aish knew she was pregnant and by signing this film which revolves around her would have been like Umrao Jaan for Rekha and recently Fashion for Priyanka so she didn't want to miss the opportunity. She committed herself and shot a bit but then optimistically thought that the movie would have been put on the back burner until she came back to complete it. This is not right to the producer, director, writer and the 100 technicians as they have committed themselves to this film and were counting on it to complete for their profit (makers) or their daily living (workers) . When a worker is committed to a project they are needed for a set period of time so it's not like they have other projects running at the same time to work on. How can a camera man who was going to film this movie all of a sudden say now that it's canned that btw I have another film right now to work on as well as I always have a back up movie to go work for. These people if they are lucky might be able to get an immediate project to work on if not then they'll have to wait until their next scheudled work starts which could be weeks from now.
Yeah Madhur is hurting as it was his dream project and obvioulsy he would want the best. If confided he could have worked it out but how would that be right for the welfare of the baby if they still kept filming is beyond my imagination. A few weeks from now if Aish got sick or weak due to exhausion then imagine the backlash Madhur would get for not being compassionate and how bad of him to strain a pregnant lady when he knows being the main character he can't work around it. Good for him to shelve this project but it would have been better to get a differnt actress but it would add more to the costs so he maybe he's cutting his losses by scrapping it. Also being it jinxed by first not getting it done by Kareena and then this with Aish he probably doubts the luck of this venture.

The workers on this film are ouf of a livelihood and the prestige of worknigg on a good film that could have made waves of big headlines. It still is but all for the wrong reasons. Hope every technician is able to get back to work right away with other projects than having to wait for their next scheudled project which could be weeks from now. In the meantime what are they going to do without their paycheck they hoped to get for this?

Aish you should have told Madhur personally and second being a senior actress who has a string of movies to her credit you should be a professional and be upfront from the begining not wait to see if the pieces fall into place according to the way you wanted it to work out for your own benefit. This is a mockery of professionalism and work ethics.
Madhur if he changed the scrpt after knowing she's pregnant in order to make it difficult for her to portray the lead role then he's at fault and shame on him but if he changed the script to enhance or sharpen the role then that is his creative right. It's a fineline so a call can't be made about Madhur until we know what those changes were and if they coincide with the overall look of the role or did he just try to overdue it after finding out the news. Hope we found out details later as I'm sad for Madhur right now but if he deliberately changed his script to oust Aish then I won't sympathise with him.
To the monetary loss a loss is a loss and no matter what amount it still hurts. Once a movie is made you have the risk or it making money or loosing money but the move had just started and it already has lost money in the inial phase.
Movies have been shelved due to actors facing imprisionment when 80% filmed but that was the risk the makers knew upfront as the courts could either free or imprision the actor so no one was in the dark. That was a gamble the makers took and it was their right as it was a 50/50' chance there woud be no sentence. This scenario is totally differnent as the actress knew but kept everyone in the dark instead of confiding in the director cuz obviously until she passes the first trimester not everyone is going to be told but confide the director when the film revolves around you.

boils down to the same thing, doesn't it... it's okay to take risks and delay shootings and put projects on backburner for an ACTOR, but not for actresses... yes, it was unprofessional of ash to hide something like this, but that does not take away the fact that they could have resolved this... it's the call the producers made... blowing things out of proportion was certainly not the best way to deal with the situation...!
though, i have to tell you... all this talk about the workers and their rights, etc. NOW is extremely amusing... everyone remembers that now, when it concerns the least favourite family of bollywood... doesn't surprise me at all, though...!
besides imprisonment, actors have also DELAYED the projects many times, after committing to it... i doubt that is what the filmmakers 'expect' their actors to do, but they still put up with it, don't they...?
p.s. i am not an ash fan, btw... nor am i implying that she is not at fault... however, the double standards are way too obvious for me to not point them out...!

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