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Posted: 17 years ago
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I understand your point, but this is just my interpretation, which is why I said, in my point of view.
However, that's the point I'm trying to make. Ppl will compare kareena's supposed one movie JWM to Deepika's OSO. If I classify deepz being overrrated coz of oso, doesnt mean kareena's overratted coz of jwm. And that's what I'm trying to say. JWM isnt the only movie that kareena's given a great performance is, so if she's getting her dues now, she shouldnt be given the title of being overrated. However, being touted as number one because of one movie in my opinion is. That's just my view. I understand yours, and hopefull you understand mine.
Ofcourse the title of the interview is workign with a new comer is a challenge. But I just hacked it up and analyzed it further, and tried to come up with an interpretation of his meaning. Not saying its the right one, which is why I put a question mark. Its just a feeling I got while reading this interview.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigal90

I understand your point, but this is just my interpretation, which is why I said, in my point of view.

However, that's the point I'm trying to make. Ppl will compare kareena's supposed one movie JWM to Deepika's OSO. If I classify deepz being overrrated coz of oso, doesnt mean kareena's overratted coz of jwm. And that's what I'm trying to say. JWM isnt the only movie that kareena's given a great performance is, so if she's getting her dues now, she shouldnt be given the title of being overrated. However, being touted as number one because of one movie in my opinion is. That's just my view. I understand yours, and hopefull you understand mine.
Ofcourse the title of the interview is workign with a new comer is a challenge. But I just hacked it up and analyzed it further, and tried to come up with an interpretation of his meaning. Not saying its the right one, which is why I put a question mark. Its just a feeling I got while reading this interview.

That's the problem. Those roles are always overlooked because they were not box office bonanzas. At the end of the day, it's all about hits and flops. Regardless of that, Omkara is one of my favourite films. It was appreciated by critics but did not prove to be a hit. But that does not matter. Success of a film or an artist should not be limited to the box office fate of a film. Omkara may not have been a hit but it showed another side to Kareena the actress. Forget counting her flops....her performances in films such as Dev and Chameli shold be appreciated. Well, I appreciate it....not everyone has to lol 😳
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Hiya Guys!! Just thought i'd remind you that please discuss the article and do NOT start a comparison post between Kareena and Deepika and do NOT bash either of the actresses or any members. Please do feel free to state your opinions but without hurting other members.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

Imtiaz Ali is smart. He can play with words and still convey his message. At the end what it means is Kareena is no doubt a great actor but I still prefer Deepika for this role.

That would be your interpretation of the article, not his message. 😛

Originally posted by: Maya_M

As far as I know Deepika dubbed in her own voice. Farah Khan too confirmed it. So one cannot argue based on rumors. [/quote]
Actually, if you listen to her voice in BAH and then compare it to her voice in OSO, there's more than a slight difference. Her voice in BAH makes it obvious why she was dubbed for OSO. Farah Khan's statements, being the director of said movie, will be extremely subjective and biased - one can't expect her to say anything not in favour of her money-maker.
[quote]Now coming to just ONE movie and being touted as next star, didn't the same happen with Kareena in JWM? She sweeped all awards for best actor whereas Vidya's role in Bhool Bhulaiyya was overlooked. Vidya was far better in her role than Kareena and that is my POV.

Couldn't agree more. Even though I'm not very fond of Vidya, she was very good in Bhool Bhulaiya. As opposed to JWM, I preferred Kareena much more in Omkara but perhaps, that's just me.

Originally posted by: friends_rock

IF BAH sucked ( which it dint...it has done a busines more than 30 crores)

Commercial success does not equate quality.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I think Deepika is getting roles, such as this, purely based on her glamour factor.
No doubt, she definitely works hard in her films and puts effort into her roles, but based on her past two performances, i don't think its very likely that the films she is being offered are based on her acting skills........especially since she needs to work on her dialogue delivery etc (i.e how her voice was not used in OSO, and when used in BAH is wasn't very good).
At the present moment, she's the media dahling, she's a glamour doll and it sells well in bollywood. Whether she will break that mold? time will tell.
Her career is very similar to Katrina Kaif's, in regards to the beauty, glamour and screen presence but with limited dialogue. Both of them sell well........Katrina has proved that she does have talent with Namastey London, and if offered the right roles she will be even more established in the industry. In similar ways, if Deepika is given the chance to display any acting talent she has within her, then she will make her place as well.........that place being more than just a beauty prop.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Aaliya*

So true. You make a valid point. The actual term overrated is definitely overrated lol. As you rightly said, most of the time people use it to put forward their likes and dislikes. Honestly speaking, I'm gulity of that too. 😳
Just wanted to say about Kareena that agreed she made quite a few bad choices early on in her career. Yes she did have many flops but given the right script and good direction....she proves herself. That is why she delivered when it came to Chameli, Dev, Omkara and JWM. I agree that JWM was not a film that changed Bollywood and her character was not complex or difficult as such but she did full justice to it. Providing she is given the right role, Kareena has a lot of potential.
And when it comes to hits and flops, sometimes it doesn't really matter. Rani lately has been part of the flop parade but that doesn't make her any less of an actress. Flops do not mean that an actor is bad or cannot act. But of course an actor/actress does need hits to secure a position in Bollywood.

Exactly thats what i am saying deepika is a newcomer yet to prove her talent so why she been put down when kareena being a kapoor as well had so many years to prove herself ...now finally like her not saying flops mean she was not a good actor but first few yeears she did over act. That aside vidya is a fabulous actor given hit after hit since shes come and from tv as well and never gets any recognition why its because of the hype media surrounded kareena after just one film...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: friends_rock

IF BAH sucked ( which it dint...it has done a busines more than 30 crores)...his acting dint. he was appricaited by critics as well as audience (but there are some expcetions)..why did she do that role?go ask her.dont put BAH sucking and deepika dint look convincing in that role on ranbir...

I like BAH and movie was good...also ranvir and deepika was good she did what her role required 😛
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: ShadowKisses

Commercial success does not equate quality.

Why do u think it did 30 crores business....becuz audience liked it and watched. it....it wastn the best movie of 2008 but it wasnt bad either!😃
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I didn't interpret the article wrongly after all. *Cough* * Cough*😛. I am glad there are good directors who want Deepika in their films.

Imtiaz had once before too approached Deepika. After all who doesn't want the most promising debutant in their film.
The Z to A of romance
In town to shoot Saif's production no. 1, director Imtiaz Ali on why Calcutta featured in the story and why Deepika scored over Kareena
Imtiaz Ali directing Shahid Kapur and Kareena Kapoor on the sets of Jab We Met; Saif Ali Khan

You were shooting with Saif and Deepika in the UK and the US and suddenly you are here. Was Calcutta always on the cards?

Calcutta was always part of the story. I knew that I would come here. Even before going for our first schedule to London, I came to Calcutta for a recce. I tried to keep it as silent as possible… I didn't want too much attention before I myself knew what I wanted to do with Calcutta. After that we went to the UK and shot there and then went to the US and shot there and now all the overseas shooting is over. The India shooting we are starting with Calcutta. It's not a long schedule… it's a small arm of the story which comes to this city.

What are you calling the film? What is it about?

We don't have a title. We are calling it Production No. 1 because it is the first production of Illuminati Films, Saif's company. The world of the story is that in a love relationship of the past, there was a procedure. There was an A to Z of romance. In the present day it has become a Z to A. Things that used to happen in the early section of romance now happen in the last section. And things which used to be the culmination point earlier, now happen first. Now, sex happens first. Four days later you realise, wow, I spoke to her… we bonded! In the good ol' days, all the bonding used to get over before you touched each other. But the basic journey… the paths that are taken… remain the same actually. You do bond, you do connect, you do miss…

Are you showing both the types of romance?

Haan… It's essentially a contemporary love story of the present times but there is a counterpoint of the past that keeps appearing in flakes. Calcutta is part of that past. We are showing Calcutta of the 1960s. Loosely, without any subtitle giving the year. There is a visual connection in terms of the Howrah bridge and the Golden Gate of San Francisco.

The Namesake has already tried to visually connect the Howrah bridge with the George Washington Bridge across the Hudson River…

I haven't seen The Namesake. I am glad that you pointed it out. I will now see the film and make sure I don't do the same sequence. But that's not the critical point. What is important is the journey. There comes a time in your life when you make that 1,000 mile journey. There is no option… you have to take that journey. It becomes a compulsion. Maybe you will just see somebody's face and return but you do take that journey. That journey brings the character to Calcutta.

Why Calcutta of all places? Is it because you are from Jamshedpur and you used to visit the city often?

Usually the audience believes that there is too much technique in writing. But for most parts, writing always remains an instinctive and impulsive thing to do. It tends to work with the information that the storywriter has. And I know Calcutta… I am aware of it. So it features in the stories that I write. I know the smell of the land, I know the streets, I know how it works. Also, Calcutta geographically worked as a distant place from Delhi, which is an important location in the film. Besides there is enough material in today's Calcutta which can be shown as '60s Calcutta. It has retained its old-world charm.

Any particular essence of the city you are trying to highlight?

For starters, it's not about Bengalis. It's about a Sikh family, which has moved from Delhi and settled down here in Calcutta and opened a spare-parts shop. Apart from the Howrah bridge, there will be the ghat… I used to get off from the train and cross the Hooghly on the jetty to Babughat, not taking the Howrah bridge. There will be the tram… Then, the Calcutta streets with their distinct look. I feel the city is more grounded and earthy than a Delhi or Mumbai and there is an artfulness to everything. A touch of class and aesthetics will always be there. I want to capture that. Logistically it has been difficult because the city has changed also. But we have to emphasise the aesthetics. If there are five benches on the streets, they should be at certain angles. We have to apply ourselves a little more.

Socha Na Tha, Jab We Met and now Production No. 1… Why is it always about a journey in your film?

God knows man (laughs)! I can't even say it's a sub-conscious call of the soul. Because I have always loved journeys. Even though I haven't been able to do it as much as I want to, but I have always loved travelling. Not only reaching, just travelling. When I am writing, I don't think it will be about journeys. Jab We Met started with the image of two strangers meeting on a train, which is a very boring idea. All I knew is that he is receding… going away, while she is going to her life. And when they meet again, they have interchanged their roles.

How did this project with Saif materialise? Did he ask you to make something for him and with him after watching Jab We Met?

Saif and I had met a long, long time back. He just wanted to meet me. I love such meetings. Because unless I meet someone, no matter how many films of his I watch, I don't know what to do with him. We very loosely kept in touch with each other. This story has started forming in my head while we were making Jab We Met. And I had thought the actor best suited to play this is Saif. Then we met again. He said can we do something together… And I said I have something with you in mind. He heard it, he loved it. He, of course, saw Jab We Met also.

Saif the producer, does he play a role?

No, the producer really is Dinesh Vijan. He does all the production-related activities. I had told Saif that as far as this film is concerned you would have enough to do as an actor. Don't take on any hardcore production activity. And he was very happy to hear that.

Everyone felt that Saif would definitely have Kareena in his home production but it is clearly the director who casts…

It is the director who casts (laughs)! Saif is a very cool guy, a very non-interfering person. He knows he has to play his part and he does that well. He is not the kind of guy who would come and tell me something as ridiculous as: "Please cast my girlfriend!"

All of you must have had a laugh about this…

All the time. In fact, even between Kareena and Deepika, there is always this joke. And with Saif, all the time. It's not like a pitched battle as it was projected to be. Saif, I guess, would have been happy if Kareena was working in the movie. But that was not to be. He never challenged my decision. He never turned around and said that 'Kareena the bigger star should be in the movie and I want to be with my girlfriend'.

Why did Deepika suit the role and not Kareena?

I had met her before Om Shanti Om. I was planning a film with her which did not take off. And after I finished writing this movie and I was thinking of Saif, I was thinking of who the girl could be. I thought it should be Deepika because her silence is very interesting. Just like Kareena's chatter is interesting, Deepika's silence is interesting. She is a perceptive person, who can look at you and keep thinking and she would look interesting doing so.

Kareena is always travelling with Saif. Does it make life difficult on the sets?

Not at all! Kareena is a sweetheart and I am very happy to have her on the sets. And even when she is on the sets, she tries not to look at the monitor but I insist that she does. As a viewpoint… Also we have worked together, so we understand each other. I always look forward to have her on the sets.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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As of now, Deepika is a star. Let us not be pretentious and call her an 'actress'. She is yet to display her acting chops.
Is she overrated? When her fans go to great lengths to ram it down other people's/detractors' throats that she has shown great promise as an 'actress', that her directors/producers/co-actors speak highly of her (of course they would! What producer would chastise their own actress?), then I daresay she is certainly overrated... by her fanbase 😛. Such an arrantly simple point: fans never brook criticism against their favourite, do they? But what isn't Bollywood in overrated? All stars are overrated, everyone successful is overrated be it Aishwarya or SRK or Salman.
That, however, does not discount the fact that Deepika is star in her own right: the quintessential Bollywood heroine who looks pretty, can dance and run around trees and can play the damsel in distress to the hilt. Awards further corroborate her star status, because in India, awards do not necessarily tantamount to excellence. Why otherwise would a horribly melodramatic and rubbishy film like OSO be even nominated for the awards? Indian award ceremonies are all about playing to the gallery and pleasing the stars. So I wouldn't consider these awards to be a yardstick of her mettle in acting.
Imtiaz Ali's words shouldn't be taken as read; he's the director of the yet to be released film, it's painfully obvious he wouldn't talk ill of his actors. Like how Farah Khan defended Deepika in all her pre-OSO interviews, and then now reports say that Farah is upset as Deepika didn't 'keep in touch' with her. The joke, eventually, is on the rabid fans who are stupid enough to wage a war on behalf of these stars on internet forums😛
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