This is sick! *Shocked* - Page 7

Originally posted by: enigmatic_zephy

Originally posted by: Nxt_rockstar

She contradicts herself at times. She tag her and Armaan's friendship with flaws as Loyalty and tag others' as support seeking persons. She is contradictory in fact. 🥱

Originally posted by: Nxt_rockstar

Do you differ between using and depending??? I do! Lemme explain how! Kamya used Armaan's temper at times. In box task, she targeted him knowing the fact how short tempered he is. She used this man here to facilitate the task.

I don't think I would classify that as using or depending. Thats just a plain tactic. IMO, not relevant to this debate.

Kamya doesn't seek his support. how?? Support can be of many kinds. Agree! One is that support which you expects from your group members. When Kamya was in a group of Armaan, she had this huge rift with Gauhar over a issue. I didn't see her going to Armaan or any other man for clearing her point and seeking support.

Other support is when you are non capable of fighting your battles. Kamya's biggest rift ever was with Armaan's only. I didn't see her weak to give it back to him. she very firmly handled her case.

But that's my point, if you are defining the discussion only to the point that whether a woman goes and wants a man to speak for her in an argument, then I would say that neither tanisha nor kamya...neither falls in that category.

But to reiterate myself, being dependent on man for this game has various aspects, which i think you are ignoring..for e.g. having a LS is one facet, using a man to do your bidding by creating tension in another aspect ( refer to initial weeks when kamya was trying to keep armaan by her side..come what may...)

As far as I gather, tanisha's POV is on that...that both gau and kamya need someone to implement their gameplans and she is right about that...only thing is she also is doing similar stuff and should count herself on this dependent women list too.

I wasn't talking about Tanisha's characteristics at all but now lemme illustrate it. She goes to Armaan and tells him how Aijaz is taunting her. She shares her frustration with him. And in return, she expects him to react. Even Armaan stopped her once that don't try to get reactions from me. Stand for yourself.

Here's a thing, you have only one friend whom you are apparently in love with. you are indirectly time and again being referred to as his wife..in a derogatory manner on national tv. Tanisha has never..till date expected armaan to speak for her..she speaks for him because she has lost it in her stupid infatuation but has never expected armaan or demanded from him any kind of sympathy on this.

You forget these two were alone for over 3 weeks. She will but ofcourse talk to him only if she is frustrated, like gau wud do to kushal or kamya to brat.

Armaan's words..what they tell you is..he simply doesn't care..tani never said that with intention of him going and reprimanding aijaaz..many people have said similar stuff to them..she has never said a thing to armaan..so there is no reason to want that out of the blue...it goes against behavioural pattern.

If you have read my post, I said I don't have any problem with bitching at all. It's parcel of the game. I wrote there if this matter had bitching involved in it then I would have laughed on it. Bitching need at least a tit of reality in it to exaggerate. For example, if Kamya really was like any weak women who was playing on skills of a man, and Tanisha was discussing this with Andy using faces, expressions and mirchi to it. It's called bitching. She said something which is totally opposite to Kamya's image. Public has an image of her. She comes across as bitchy and smart player. Many people states her as strong woman. And if I generalize, Kamya have a stand of herself. She doesn't need one. What Tanisha said about her sounded delusional. because it is so against Kamya's image which she lived over the show.

I agree, for kamya to say anything there has to be some base which I did not deny and am not denying. However, its how you use that and with what malicious intent.

What kamya did was ensure tani was isolated. that is targeting..and that is much more than bitching. And that hatred for tani comes from what andy aptly said...kamya couldn't handle someone else getting close to armaan.

You have contestants views on that..and you have people who watch LF..there views on that..Kamya and Armaan ...who knows what it could have turned into if not for tanisha...

for first few weeks...if u have seen LF...if that's not using a man then i do not know what it is..and uptil tani - armaan started bonding well..kamya's over unexplained affection towards armaan is strategic dependency.

I am not saying it had to be a love story like present ones..but kamya did have plans of using armaan as her bidding boy.

Added mirchi in facts which Kamya did according to Tanisha, it is actually raw form of bitching which has element of exaggeration. Like when Tanisha mocked Gauhar's medical condition, it looked she did use her expressions to it. Did it look like how Gauhar fainted?? nope! So form ruins!😳

When did i say tanisha doesn't bitch..😆..btw, that was one bad acting stint

Kamya used the situation well. she needed to change the group dynamics and she had all the explosives for it and she broke the news. She bitched. Big deal! Tanisha in every matter brings Kamya.

lol y wudn't she..kamya is the one to wreak havoc in her life.

She says everybody knows who is the master mind! She bitches! Big deal! Nope! Tanisha is entitled to play it like Kamya! Use it, cash it and proceed! But talking about seeking support from a man, it sounds disrespect to the women who actually stand firm. She never runs after a man and takes flawed offerings of the same. She can't tolerate something, she quits!

I have never seen her take a solid stand. Till date she has evaded every single direct question that comes to her. Confidence of being a firm , strong woman who believes in herself..is more apt for gauhar .. she doesn't hide behind coy smiles..she is the one who has the gut to explain what she meant or said..

kamya her entire first 7-8 weeks...so much of chelaram panti she has done..

her whole demeanour around andy-wishing well episode - fake fake fake..and super excitement for armaan..😆

her acting when gauhar moved to heaven

I just gotta say..go by first few week sof LF...and you will realize that its not as black and white as you think it is.

Beyond this i think we can only agree to disagree.

But kamya is no urvashi in terms of the strong, upfront, independent woman image that she has.

(whether urvashi truly is or not..is another debate..but highlighting the perception point)

Tanisha seeks Armaan empathy and support. Let it be an expectation from their friendship or game strategy! But she seeks his support. Does it make her dependent??? I don't think so! I didn't say her dependent even! Gauhar has this big ego and Kamya is actually hanging around with her. Actually whole issue of this man-woman power is out of my understanding. Two strong characters can play along. How come seeking support from man comes in scenario!!!!

I think both of us are debating on different POVs with respect to how to define dependent on man. You have considered it to mean love stories and derogatory stuff...I on the other hand am taking it from the view of the game. To me ( hell with tanisha), it is not all derogatory..

my view is just this, to stay in this game kamya is a more dependent player that gau or tanisha. She (& sangram) can't stand independently because she can never ( hasn't shown till now) deal a direct blow. Is this worng? no..to each his own..but she is definitely not an independent player.

And one never depends on weak players..hence the need ( as tanisha perceives) of having a man in their group who can be effective.

( fr kamya maybe gau-kushal were that in between)

Did you ever seen her backing off from an argument which involved her??? When it comes to her alone, she is there to argue. And dear, Sangram and Kamya are hell lot different. She never backs off from her words. Bola toh bola! And Sangram is the one who argues first, and then go say sorry, and says I didn't mean it and blah blah! Did Kamya ever do that?? no. I never found her regretting her words.

You are back to focusing on the singular point of fighting.

Kamya-snagram: my point is they are not independent players. Have you ever seen kamya not avoiding nay direct plotting question? or pOV question? she changes her stand very well..be it palti maarna or how she reacted in kushal's eviction case..and myriad other cases.

On fights: yes if she is involved in an argument, she does not meekly give up...but neither do tanisha or gauhar. In fact let me also say this, kamya has many a times tried to exaggerate hers or others fights because that brings footage.

Frankly her drama over being called divorcee was so fake!

She does look hesitant in commenting over others' issues( Specially in weekend episodes) but she always stands over her words. Remember Ellie's language issue, when Salman confronted her, she said on face that yeah! Elli does that.

And why should she supposed to butt in others' matter and take stands there??? Who does that!😆

Didn't she super sugar coat it?

Andy wishing well- total palti

tanisha and ands - total palti..she is the one who suggested..

and salman was right on both occassions:

when he asked her

1. fights ruk sakti hain, but wo rukne nahi deti...

2. gauhar ko jo pucha tha..."Who is creating all these issues"😆

With kushal...her stand changes only when i am guessing her contract was reminded of..

and also note the change in behavior post BB telling her "humne aapse umeedein hain"

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jo thodi bahut independence tumhe dikh rahi hai..post us comment ke hi dikh rahi hai!😆

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Dear! You know I didn't think about a definition! I just wrote what I feel with reasoning of mine. I am not judging you! You sounded a judge to me though! 😳 I afraid your two cases about using the word neutral may not fit. With my replies, I didn't judge you as bias or a fan or anything. I could have done that. You perceived too vaguely!

😆 suit yourself...if that makes you comfortable.

If you are talking about my current assessment, I have my reasons and logic. (even after giving a thought to your reasoning) So I stand firm and unchanged. 😊

And you shall!..as long as you are convinced of your logics and reasoning..