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Posted: 11 years ago
#31
wat happened, happened for the good... asif came out hugely popular.
im not a fan of his bt even i admit tht his conduct ws v gentlemanly... although he shud hve given it back to arman


but there r no anti-asif groups... he mst b laughing his ass of at home
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Marybarton


Did you actually read my post. Because the overt FACT that I was not blaming all Indians was put in writing in the very first paragraph. If I had to blame all Indians, I would not call the Bigg Boss Inmates Anglophiliacs in the subject heading. I did not ask Indians to apologize, I wrote this posts addressing the people in the show and people who supported their bullying. Read before you lash out.

The person who apologized was a kindly person who thoughts SOME of the people who supported this bullying was wrong. They did nothing wrong. They were showing the decency of Indian people by representing the good. I know very well that not all Indians are like this.

And I am no stranger to the idea that Indian accents are mocked. I ALSO acknowledged that in the post. Which is why I said it was surprising that this kind of bullying against another will be supported.


I read your entire post and it seemed like the exact thing I have been reading since Asif entered the house. You keep saying that you are not blaming all Indians but all you have to do is look at the tone in your post. Any one can decipher what you are actually trying to get at.

You said that you " felt embarrassed for Indian nationals" over what happened. Pray tell me why you would even say such a thing based on what happened on a third rate show like this which is known for this kind of behavior ? Bullying happens in every season of bigg boss.

Then you say this:

These so-called celebrities depicted Indians in a very bad light and a very unfair one. Indians should have been outraged. I

Why should Indians be outraged over something that's common place in a show like this.

There is absolutely no reason to bring up nationalities to explain why asif was treated in a bad way. As far as I know, no explicit racist thing was said to him and there is nothing to suggest that it was a india vs bangladesh thing. Your entire post is full of "Indians this Indians that" and then you are saying you are not generalizing.

Let me remind you from a foreigner's perspective, it may be a smaller, poorer, and more politically corrupt country, but it is a great one too. The same BENGALI Tagore who wrote India's National Anthem also penned Bangladesh's National Anthem. Nazrul made his home there. Yunus brought you micro-credit. The very YOUTUBE you are watching Bigg Boss repeats in...is a German-Bangladeshi boy's idea and creation (yes, his alone. The other two helped design it).

^^ Once again why are you telling us about Bangladeshi achievements ? Is anyone here bragging about Indian achievements or has anyone denied or said anything derogatory about Bangladesh ? Did some one say anything negative about Bangladesh on the show ? You are the one who is making it seem like a India vs Bangladesh thing.

BTW Tagore was from undivided India.


Originally posted by: Marybarton

As for Veena Mallik, she's not from a "lesser country" in many people's perspective. She is from a rival country. That's a difference. She is not greatly successful, she's just a controversy queen.


What do you mean by a 'lesser country' ? She does come from a country where the entertainment industry isn't as established as it is in India.

She may not be very successful but she has certainly established herself to some degree. If you want another more successful example, there's Ali Zafar too.


Originally posted by: Marybarton

Bollywood has an Anglo-complex. Most actresses welcomes to Bollywood are half-white these days, yet none are half-Black for example.The sooner you face it, the less deluded everything will be. Most stories there are taken from Hollywood movies. If some Hollywood actors visit, Bollywood people go nuts. If one of them can get a smallest recognition from Hollywood, they are putting it all over the news. It is a case of the small looking at the big. It's happens.


Dude you are not telling us anything new.Everyone knows Bollywood is Anglo Centric but what place on this earth does not have an Anglo complex ? Everything in this world is measured by the western/anglo yardstick thanks to modern day imperialism, right down to the currency we use. White skin isn't just adored in India like you are incessantly trying to convince us, this inferiority complex runs down across many third world countries that have been and still are victims of western imperialism.

Your Hollywood itself is responsible for promoting this Anglo complex as well. You can find tons of Hollywood movies where minorities and foreigners are portrayed badly and Anglos are promoted as heroes/saviors/messiahs/whatever. Anglos and White Jews are the face of Hollywood, not Blacks, Hispanics and certainly not Asians. How many Indian actors are given roles other than stereotypical apu/711 cashier/terrorist/Harrold and Kumar type roles ?

Edited by silverbug - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Beautifully put! I could not have said it better myself. It was quite uncomfortable to watch Salman Khan himself crawling on the stage as Asif spoke to the housemates. As the "moderator" (and I use this term lightly) of the show, he should have realized his actions will not be taken lightly, and it wasn't. The housemates were laughing as Asif tried to speak to the members with full sincerity. It was even more sad to see that as Asif spoke to the housemates, they were still disrespecting as if he just committed some crime and cannot be respected. I mean, he is already out of the house, what's their to compete with? If anything you now have the opportunity listen for once and show the audience that they are capable of having patience and actually listening when someone else speaks. It also saddens me to say that so many things were not shown on the show, that was broadcasted as unseen footage; ie not allowing Asif to drink coffee have fruits etc.
I think all the housemates and BB in general had the opputunity to show diversity and how to behave when those who may not be exactly like you are interacting and sharing the same space. It's their lose. If anything BB showed that Indians too can be intolerant of diversity.

Asif, my good man, from what I've observed in the show, hats off. You are as classy as your nation is. You have done Bangladesh proud not only with your career but also in the Bigg Boss house. SALUTE!
Edited by fa.star - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I'm a foreign Indian... I have been born, raised and brought up in Canada... We see it all because North America is a very diverse and multicultural place... Although rascism happens everywhere, I do believe we are 10 times better than what we get to see in Bollywood and India... We are more accepting... India is a highly racsist and prejudiced country.. And I'm saying this as an Indian...
I have Bengali friends and trust me, they are both kind and intelligent... And I do not think one needs to know Hindi to be intelligent,

The way Asif was treated, I feel ashamed... And I don't understand what they are so proud of in the house.. What is Kushal compared to Asif..?? What is Gauhar??? What is Armaan?? NOTHING... They struggle to make a name in India and then use controversy to get camera attention but Asif doesn't need it.. They all suck...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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well said, agree partly.. Asif really had harsh experience in bb, most of them ill treated him n some1 ignored his presence itself.. his only confident who truly understood was heaven, it ws a heartfelt moment to see heaven miss him the most.. salman crawling on floor, laughing rolling on floor while hez singing, mocking asking who else r u close to other than heaven ws plain rude.. his language barrier ws humilated in name of entertainment making him sing as hez not comfortable.. arman n andy made fun of him more thn couple of times about his speech,. every task he ws made weak link.. ts not jst a nationality thing to what I see its a whole big bullying thing coz thts wht is happening in bb7.. manytimes few throwing bolly status weight everywhere from few contestants to host too.. sickeningly loaded with discrimination season!!

something I dnt agree on r foreign issues mentioned, its always vice versa!!
Edited by .lovelylotus. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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One of the reason the contestants did not take Asif's advice seriously was mainly bcoz Salman was crawling on the floor and acting as if Asif was wasting everyone's time. He should have allowed Asif to speak what he wanted without any gimmicks.
Anyway Mary - a very good post and I agree completely to your viewpoint.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I would like to say Indians are generally very accepting and warm hearted... Although America is a more diverse country compared to India, the Bollywood industry is more accepting and diverse... We see people from everywhere in Bollywood... Although the Hollywood industry is more diversely known, it is mostly ruled by White and Black.. There is no colors in between.. No Asians, Browns, etc... The most well payed and well known actors are White or Black...
Even though people from Bollywood can be a little harsh and they are racsist, prejudiced, and anglophilic ... But there is work for everyone in the Bollywood industry who wants to be involved... In Hollywood , that's not the case... Let's take Harry Potter as an example.. A very popular movie and book ... The main characters are all white.. There is 2 sisters who are Indian, 1 Asian, and 1 black guy, .. The rest are all white.. From the senior cast to the junior...


I agree that I feel ashamed as an Indian to see Indians treat other cultured people with disrespect...

But if you compare Hollywood and Bollywood, there are better chances of one to get work in Bollywood compared to Hollywood... No matter how much they claim to be accepting, they only employ MOSTLY whites or blacks... Therest are in the minority... And they aren't even top actors...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: silverbug


I read your entire post and it seemed like the exact thing I have been reading since Asif entered the house. You keep saying that you are not blaming all Indians but all you have to do is look at the tone in your post. Any one can decipher what you are actually trying to get at.

You said that you " felt embarrassed for Indian nationals" over what happened. Pray tell me why you would even say such a thing based on what happened on a third rate show like this which is known for this kind of behavior ? Bullying happens in every season of bigg boss.

Then you say this:

These so-called celebrities depicted Indians in a very bad light and a very unfair one. Indians should have been outraged. I

Why should Indians be outraged over something that's common place in a show like this.

There is absolutely no reason to bring up nationalities to explain why asif was treated in a bad way. As far as I know, no explicit racist thing was said to him and there is nothing to suggest that it was a india vs bangladesh thing. Your entire post is full of "Indians this Indians that" and then you are saying you are not generalizing.

Let me remind you from a foreigner's perspective, it may be a smaller, poorer, and more politically corrupt country, but it is a great one too. The same BENGALI Tagore who wrote India's National Anthem also penned Bangladesh's National Anthem. Nazrul made his home there. Yunus brought you micro-credit. The very YOUTUBE you are watching Bigg Boss repeats in...is a German-Bangladeshi boy's idea and creation (yes, his alone. The other two helped design it).

^^ Once again why are you telling us about Bangladeshi achievements ? Is anyone here bragging about Indian achievements or has anyone denied or said anything derogatory about Bangladesh ? Did some one say anything negative about Bangladesh on the show ? You are the one who is making it seem like a India vs Bangladesh thing.

BTW Tagore was from undivided India.



What do you mean by a 'lesser country' ? She does come from a country where the entertainment industry isn't as established as it is in India.

She may not be very successful but she has certainly established herself to some degree. If you want another more successful example, there's Ali Zafar too.



Dude you are not telling us anything new.Everyone knows Bollywood is Anglo Centric but what place on this earth does not have an Anglo complex ? Everything in this world is measured by the western/anglo yardstick thanks to modern day imperialism, right down to the currency we use. White skin isn't just adored in India like you are incessantly trying to convince us, this inferiority complex runs down across many third world countries that have been and still are victims of western imperialism.

Your Hollywood itself is responsible for promoting this Anglo complex as well. You can find tons of Hollywood movies where minorities and foreigners are portrayed badly and Anglos are promoted as heroes/saviors/messiahs/whatever. Anglos and White Jews are the face of Hollywood, not Blacks, Hispanics and certainly not Asians. How many Indian actors are given roles other than stereotypical apu/711 cashier/terrorist/Harrold and Kumar type roles ?



If you bothered to quote and respond in a way where your writing could be easily read, that would be helpful for all of us. In your comments about other countries here and in the way you are making it about other countries clearly hint that you did not read my post well. I am clearly talking to a nationalist who is offended because I pointed out a wrong. God forbid I say anything against your beloved Bollywood.

Ya, welcome the real world. Prejudice happens in Hollywood too, but it's not okay just because it happens here. If Hollywood jumps off a bridge, would you think that's a smart move for everyone? I am not going to even go down to the level of discussing how Hollywood belongs to "Jews." Clearly I am talking to the wrong person about prejudice. Hollywood has the task of representing numerous races from numerous counties. Let's not forget Ben Kingsley too. He turned out pretty ok. This is not a post that defends Hollywood. When Hollywood is in the wrong, I write it too, as I did for Shipa. But I will also call out Salman when the Indian industry gets it wrong through non-entities like Armaan and Andy.

As to why I highlighted Bangladeshi achievements...

The ignorant inmates of Bigg Boss clearly don't have the knowledge. They needed to know. Tagore was born into a per-partition India, so you can claim him, is that what you are saying? So be it if it soothes you. Did you notice that I called him BENGALI rather than BANGLADESHI? Know the difference? I knew this little fact. When I mentioned him, I wanted to show how he was the source of both country's anthem. There's a mutual history there, it should inspire brotherly love, not a superiority complex from Bigg Boss inmates and the like.

If you want to talk "West" and how Hollywood acts in terms of creating Anglophiles, this is not the forum for it. Pretending to be victims of that teaching is not helping anyone either. Learn and fix as the damage as been done. Saying someone else taught us the value of white skin that's why we are doing this is called victim play. Anglophilia is not a product of Hollywood, it is a product of Colonial Oreintalism. I am a student of Edward Said. If you want to talk Oreintalism and our current day issues, this is not the appropriate forum to discuss that in. You can go to a Said and the Orientalist talk. I will be happy to discuss it with you in that forum. This is a mere Bigg Boss forum and if there is something batantly prejudiced here, I will say it. Cause I have as much voice as you do.

Edited by Marybarton - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree. It made me really sad for Asif.
What annoyed me the most, was the hypocrisy the contestants had the audacity to claim.

For example, when Asif crowned Gauher co-devil and she asked him about they 7 years of history, I was outraged! This girl had been a bitch to Asif the entire time in the house, and how the hell did she have the audacity to claim their 7 year history as a basis for not getting the devil name? Hypocritical!

And when Andy's sexuality was made fun off, he got really pissy. But then he went ahead and did the same to Asif! W*F!

And Armaan is just a gone case. Cannot stand him.

Great post tho! Really well written and I agree with your points! Especially about colorism!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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good post.
i agree asif was treated badly and i felt for him.
but i dont think it was because he wasnt indian. i wouldnt believe it even for a minute.
he was ridiculed and bullied because of his personality of not standing up for himself and not speaking clearly. its not about hindi or bengali.
in delhi, there r so many people from diff places in india, and believe me everyone speaks hindi in an extremely different way and people make fun of their speaking all the time. thats being racist? no its not,

i dont believe that the contestants on the show ever made fun of him because he's a bangladeshi. people r just being offended for no reason.

yes he was bullied a lot which was very very wrong but not because of his origin.

vivek was also bullied and had he stayed longer, i'm sure it would have been worse for him than even asif. now what kindof racism is that?

these allegations of racism are absolutely wrong.

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