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@meghumonu. I don't know whether I have ever done anything to offend you but if I have, I apologise for it. This is the third time you have gone on a rant against my views on my own post. I respect your opinions but at the same time, I am entitled to mine. My response is in black while yours are in red.
Are you labelling "fighting for your freedom" as "fighting a senseless war"? You call it pride, I call it freedom. I call it self-respect. Would you rather be a starving free bird or be a well-fed bird in a golden cage? I don't know about you but I would choose the former.
do u ever tried to understand why akbar was so cruel in first place before all of you self made historians criticize him!! he was not born like pratap in some royal palace and given every pleasure a man or woman can think about but not for akbar!! remember that guy was only 5 months old when his parents left him and fled from the camp to save their own lives he was brought up by his own uncle the same uncle who betrayed his father and always wanted to kill him and tried to kill him many times!! he was tied infront of the castle as a child to stop his father from attacking the fort but the bombarding didn't stopped!! even after his father died a 13 year old boy was made emperor and everyone wanted to control him to use the power of an emperor he was surrounded by enemies everywhere looking for a chance to overthrow him and take his throne to kill him!! his most two trusted advisors were not an ounce loyal to him!! and in this situation a human cannot become soft hearted bcoz if u guys read history then u will find that a soft hearted ruler eventually got defeated in an battle and killed or killed by his own army in coup de tat those days swords was the only humanity people understood!! his own brothers tried to kill him numerous times!! so to instill fear in his enemies he had to show his cruel side!! it is for one's own survival!! if i was in his place i would have done the same!! a person had to live first to do good for people!! survival comes first!! and those muslim ulemas who called him heretic i dnt bother them as humans jst as akbar started to curtail those ulema's power in the court they started giving him names!! jst becoz he abolished pilgrimage tax and jaziya he is a heretic!! he started to renovate the age old corrupt ideas of the islam religion which those bas***ds were taking advantage and looting people!! before criticizing him know that the land tax system which is universally used this days were first introduced by him!! the idea of land survey and then fixing the tax came from him!! he was the fist person to introduce coins with two diffearent languages inscribed!! the same type of coins and notes we use today were diffearent languages of india are inscribed!! he also banned sati and started widow remarraige and stopped child marraige!! though not successful but he tried to some extent!!
When I wrote my response to apolloartemis's reply in this post, if you have not read it, let me tell you that I already wrote that " Akbar was cruel in his early life. I repeat, he was cruel in his early life. Yes he did a lot of good things in his later life, starting around mid-forties, but that does not absolve him of his wrongdoings in his youth. He had killed lots of people, humiliated many and, over and above that was a pure-blooded foreigner. Yes, he was the most tolerant and forward thinking monarch of his times, but still he was a womanizer. He was a heretic by Islamic standards of his time. Declaring yourself to be a prophet of some kind is a bit too much by anyone's standards. As for a shitty childhood, every great monarch goes through that. Akbar was no different. Do you think any other great monarch had a good childhood. Name one if you do find one. His tolerance for Hindus was due to his childhood in a Rajput household and later his courtiers and many marriages to Hindu women and of course, living in Hindustan. That was a good thing. But it occurred in his later life. Currently, at the age he is at in the show, he was a ruthless conqueror who cared little for anything other than winning.
Every person has a dark side and a bright side. Akbar was no different. He had his good side and bad side. Unfortunately, this show is about Maharana Pratap where he is the protagonist and Akbar the antagonist. So, there's no helping it. If you want to see the good side of Abar, try a show where he is the protagonist.
the idea of jharokha darshan to hear about his subject's problem early in the morning if this are not a quality of a capable and good ruler then what is capability fighting senseless wars with someone whom u can't defeat only becoz ur pride is hurt and u don't want to accept that u have lost and sacrificing numerous lifes for ur own pride that is very capable!! what bullshit!!
it is very tragic of us indian people to call a worthless man like pratap a hero and villianize and criticize a man like akbar who actually did something for this country though with political intentions or good intentions no one know that but what important is he did and people benifitted from it!! we call pratap a freedom fighter if he really was a freedom fighter he should not have made aim to recapture only his kingdom of mewar from the mughlas but he would have aimed to kick the mughals out of india!! did he try to instigate other rajput chiefs like him to instigate a big rebellion in rajpitana to recapture it and then form a coalition against the mughals to defeat and throw them out he never tried his own selfish ambition of recapturing chittor was just for his own gain he never thought about the independence of india from muslims he only thought about recapturing his old kingdom of mewar from the mughals which his father lost!! he was the world's worst tactican and strategist his idea of abondoning guirella warfare and facing mughals in pitched battle caused the loss of numerous life of his soldier and he was defeated badly and fled
So, according to you, Pratap was a spoilt rich prince born with a silver spoon in his mouth while Akbar had some kind of rags-to-riches story? Whoa. From what I have read, Pratap had a shitty childhood as well. His father, US, was a man of amorous nature. He favoured his beautiful third wife, DB and her offsprings, and neglected Pratap and his mother, US's first wife, JB, like anything, despite the fact he was his first child and JB was a wise queen. He also neglected SB and her sons. This gave courage to US's other wives to plan to kill Pratap though they failed. JB, fearing for her son's life, sent him to her father, Akhey Raj Songara, a simple samant, to be brought up. So, from a very early age, Pratap grew up amongst the samants of Mewar and the commoners rather than the riches of palace of Chittorgarh. When the time came for him for have his birthright at last, he finds out that his father had made his younger brother the successor. He let it go and fulfilled his duty of being his son by doing his last rites rather than staying back in the palace like Jagmal to prepare for coronation. He could have turned out to be a really screwed up person like Shakti or Sagar but he did not.
Do you remember the Delhi rape case? Do you know why it became such a huge issue? There have been thousands or lakhs of rape cases before that, and yet only that case stood out. You know why? Let me recount it. The first day it was reported in TOI. It was just a two-sentence report, in the left hand column of the front page. You know those quickies. The second day, it was a visible article on the right hand top corner of the front page, detailing how she was shifted to AIIMS and what kind of injuries she had. There was a sentence in that article. "Please save me. I want to live." This is what that girl wrote out on a notepad when she regained consciousness. She couldn't even speak. She wrote those words. "Please save me. I want to live."
"I want to live."
The next day, the country exploded. There was news everywhere, protests, marches, fasts, candlelight vigils and what not. My mom's childhood friends' son and his friends were organisers of the Park Street Kolkata candlelight vigil. It was an all night long vigil. In freezing December cold of Kolkata. Everyone stayed there the entire night. Everybody was hungry and thirsty but nobody went back. We were angry. We were vindictive. We wanted justice.
Most of the rape victims become silent. They never report. They fear the society. Worse, they are made to believe that they brought this on themselves. Some are bolder. They speak out. In return, they are scorned, called names, and have mud thrown on them. If a girl goes to a pub, she is inviting rape. If a girl wears short clothes, she is inviting rape. If a girl has had pre-marital sex, she definitely won't object to rape. If a girl has slept with several men, then she definitely deserves to be raped. Right? Nirbhaya went to watch a movie with a male friend. Mind you, not a boyfriend. Just a male friend. And she was raped. Brutally raped. Her friend tried to protect her. He was beaten up, got several bones broken, was gagged and was made to watch and hear her being raped. The condition she was left in is unmentionable. She was as good as dead. And yet that one girl. Just that one girl. She wanted to live. She had not demanded for justice at that time. She just asked to be saved. So to she can eat again. So that she can walk again. So that she can talk again. So that she can live again.
She just wanted to live again.
And that was enough for us. For a country of 2 billion people's sleeping conscience. That was enough.
She became our hope. She became our light,. She became the person we fought for. The person for whom we demanded justice for. The person we felt proud of. The person who left us crying our hearts out when she lost her battle of life. Still today somewhere we remember her. And she becomes our hope again. Giving us strength to be a better society, a better country.
Pratap.
Pratap was the Nirbhaya of his age. When all of the subcontinent was bowing down its head to a foreigner, he was the only man who said "No, I won't." He was the man who did not sell his self-respect, his freedom, his motherland to a foreigner. When all of the Rajput kingdoms, even powerful ones like Marwar, had given up, he did not. He stood tall. He was brave. And he became the hope of his people. He became Nirbhaya.
So, think thrice before calling him fake, coward or worthless.
Are you labelling "fighting for your freedom" as "fighting a senseless war"? You call it pride, I call it freedom. I call it self-respect. Would you rather be a starving free bird or be a well-fed bird in a golden cage? I don't know about you but I would choose the former.
You say he made people sacrifice their lives for his personal pride. In senseless battles. I say that people sacrificed them willingly. They loved him and their motherland. They were willing to lay down their lives without hesitation.
You say that Akbar was good ruler because he gave darshans, right? Akbar lived in lavish palaces. Pratap lived with his family in forests and mountains, with tribals and commoners. Akbar lived in luxury. Pratap and his family slept on earth. Akbar ate from gold plates. Pratap ate from leaf plates. Akbar is credited with Mughlai cuisine. Pratap's children ate rotis made out of grass. Akbar had an empire stretching from Kashmir in north to Deccan in south, Bengal in east to Gujarat in west. Pratap had just Mewar, an inhospitable, infertile, arid, landlocked desert kingdom, whose traditional capital was captured by the Mughals. Despite all this, Pratap never gave up. Even if he had no chance of ever defeating them, he still didn't give up.
You say Pratap was selfish because he tried to regain his ancestral capital? I say that was good strategy. Chittor is located at a place which gives a direct access to Malwa, Gujarat and Marwar. Regaining it, other than all the nostalgia, makes political and geographical sense to me. You say that he was selfish because he wanted to regain Mewar. I say that was good strategy. Pehle ghar seva, phir samaj seva. If he was unable to regain his own kingdom, how the hell was he supposed to unite all of Rajputana, let alone kick out the Mughals? You say he never thought of freeing India. I say he tried his best. He just did not have enough resources. He at least tried to unite them. He had an Afghan general and tribals like Bhils under him. His own fellow Rajput rulers were Akbar's slaves. How the hell was he supposed to do anything? He kept deflecting back attacks after attacks. His people did not have enough to eat. They suffered. And when he saw that, he thought of giving up. He wrote to Akbar. And what happened? Akbar's own courtier discouraged him from giving up and inspired him to carry on. Even Akbar himself respected him. He did not have money at all. His own minister came forward and forced him to take the money. His family, his wives, his children, his mother, everyone, led a life of commoner rather than that of royals. They supported him and loved him.
You say he is the worst tactician in the world? Maybe. Rajputs were never known for tactics anyway. Mostly reckless bravery. You say that he fled? Yeah he did. You imply that he was a coward because of it? I disagree. He didn't want to. His generals forced him to flee, so that they can fight another day. Not a bad idea in my book. You say he is worthless? I think Chetak would have gone berserk on you. It is said that animals understand intentions more than humans. And if a horse trusted Pratap and was more than willing to die for him, I trust Pratap.
he was not shivaji, shivaji is the man who really deserves respect bcoz he was really a ruler who thought about indian independence from muslims!! he was a true freedom fighter not like fake pratap!!
No he was not Shivaji. Yes, I agree with the fact that Shivaji deserves respect. But comparing him with Pratap is wrong. Despite the fact that they belong to the same lineage (Bhonsales are descended from Sisodiyas), there is a vast difference between them.
Pratap was a Rajput. Shivaji was a Maratha. Rajputs are known for their reckless bravery. Marathas are known for their strategic fighting. There is a vast difference. Rajputs had a lot of disunity while Marathas were united. Shivaji had access to sea and a navy while Pratap had a desert land. Pratap was more of a straightforward man to man fighter while Shivaji was a guerilla and tactical fighter. You just can't compare them. Aurangzeb had already instigated a lot of people by being a Muslim fanatic while Akbar was respectful of different cultures. Even within the same family its different. So no comparisons.
I frankly don't agree with your view of Pratap. I have read your comments on several posts and usually, they are anti-Pratap. Which is pretty stupid considering the fact that this is Maharana Pratap forums. I suggest you get your priorities straight. Insulting MP on his own forums won't get you too far. Also, if you want to be anti-Pratap, please do it in a manner which is level headed and does not sound like a rant. And please put proper punctuations . Its difficult to read long posts without them.
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