The real Akbar

The real Akbar was so bad that-

1. After 300 years of oppressive Islamic rule, for the first time the Hindu was given equal rights

2. So bad that he removed Jaziya and the Pilgrim tax, taxes which contributed hugely to the revenue of the state but still he gave it up. Why did none of the Muslim kings before do that? Simple, because Akbar is so bad.

3. Akbar is so fundamentalist in his opinions that a fatwa was declared against him by many clerics and they declared a holy Islamic war against him

4. He is so bad that he introduced Din-i-Ilahi. The only attempt to fuse the disparate religions of India

5. When he married a number of Rajput princesses, Rajput pride is tarnished but when Uday Singh marries 20 Rajput princesses, it is O.K. Why, because Akbar is so bad.

6. He gave his hindu wife the freedom to pursue her own religion. Why, because he was so bad.

7. Akbar gave a chance to the most deserving in his court, irrespective of religion like Todar Mal,Birbal and Man Singh. Why because Akbar was so bad.

8. Asoka and Chandragupta Maurya too wanted to conquer the whole of India, but when Akbar does it, it is bad.

9. Akbar visits the Sikh gurus and gives them land to build the Golden Temple. Why, because he was bad.

10. The Kashmiri pandits were groaning against the excesses of fundamentalist Chak rule. When Akbar conquers Kashmir, he gives the pandits full rights. There are historical records of Brahmins being presented with cows laden with gold. There are also records of Akbar participating in Hindu festivals. Why, because Akbar was bad.

11. Akbar orders the end of cow slaughter. Why, because Akbar was bad

12. For the first time after 300 years of Islamic rule, at Akbar's reign, Hindu temples were constructed. 4 in Vrindavan, 2 in Varansi and many others. The great Somnath temple is repaired after 400 years of looting. The great Tirupathi Balaji temple is given protection by Todarmal.

There are so many others reasons why Akbar is bad. The people in Pakistan hate Akbar because he is regarded as being too lenient to Hindus. I think India should start hating him too. This program makes a good start.

This serial could have done great numbers. Instead it is languishing in the 30th position because people don't like what they see. Maharana Pratap, A great warrior and patriot's name is being used in vain.

Originally posted by: Donjas

The real Akbar was so bad that-

1. After 300 years of oppressive Islamic rule, for the first time the Hindu was given equal rights

2. So bad that he removed Jaziya and the Pilgrim tax, taxes which contributed hugely to the revenue of the state but still he gave it up. Why did none of the Muslim kings before do that? Simple, because Akbar is so bad.

3. Akbar is so fundamentalist in his opinions that a fatwa was declared against him by many clerics and they declared a holy Islamic war against him

4. He is so bad that he introduced Din-i-Ilahi. The only attempt to fuse the disparate religions of India

5. When he married a number of Rajput princesses, Rajput pride is tarnished but when Uday Singh marries 20 Rajput princesses, it is O.K. Why, because Akbar is so bad.

6. He gave his hindu wife the freedom to pursue her own religion. Why, because he was so bad.

7. Akbar gave a chance to the most deserving in his court, irrespective of religion like Todar Mal,Birbal and Man Singh. Why because Akbar was so bad.

8. Asoka and Chandragupta Maurya too wanted to conquer the whole of India, but when Akbar does it, it is bad.

9. Akbar visits the Sikh gurus and gives them land to build the Golden Temple. Why, because he was bad.

10. The Kashmiri pandits were groaning against the excesses of fundamentalist Chak rule. When Akbar conquers Kashmir, he gives the pandits full rights. There are historical records of Brahmins being presented with cows laden with gold. There are also records of Akbar participating in Hindu festivals. Why, because Akbar was bad.

11. Akbar orders the end of cow slaughter. Why, because Akbar was bad

12. For the first time after 300 years of Islamic rule, at Akbar's reign, Hindu temples were constructed. 4 in Vrindavan, 2 in Varansi and many others. The great Somnath temple is repaired after 400 years of looting. The great Tirupathi Balaji temple is given protection by Todarmal.

There are so many others reasons why Akbar is bad. The people in Pakistan hate Akbar because he is regarded as being too lenient to Hindus. I think India should start hating him too. This program makes a good start.

This serial could have done great numbers. Instead it is languishing in the 30th position because people don't like what they see. Maharana Pratap, A great warrior and patriot's name is being used in vain.

Originally posted by: roopshas1

I love you and respect you for the above post.

Originally posted by: Donjas

The real Akbar was so bad that-

1. After 300 years of oppressive Islamic rule, for the first time the Hindu was given equal rights

Yes but Akbar did that to make his empire strong. Still he faced many troubles for that. That's why he is called great, for his astute diplomacy and his knowledge of condition of India.

2. So bad that he removed Jaziya and the Pilgrim tax, taxes which contributed hugely to the revenue of the state but still he gave it up. Why did none of the Muslim kings before do that? Simple, because Akbar is so bad.

That was definitely a virtue. It was influenced by his Chief Sultana Maryam Uz Zamani. Yes it is true.

3. Akbar is so fundamentalist in his opinions that a fatwa was declared against him by many clerics and they declared a holy Islamic war against him

They wanted to declare war against akbar and found a good excuse for that.

4. He is so bad that he introduced Din-i-Ilahi. The only attempt to fuse the disparate religions of India

He wanted to make peace. His thought was innovative and he did not force anyone to accept it.

5. When he married a number of Rajput princesses, Rajput pride is tarnished but when Uday Singh marries 20 Rajput princesses, it is O.K. Why, because Akbar is so bad.

Well on that part, Those princesses were not happy obviously.

6. He gave his hindu wife the freedom to pursue her own religion. Why, because he was so bad.

A big thumbs up and great respect for him on that part.

7. Akbar gave a chance to the most deserving in his court, irrespective of religion like Todar Mal,Birbal and Man Singh. Why because Akbar was so bad.

It was because rajputs were morally higher than muslim subedars.

8. Asoka and Chandragupta Maurya too wanted to conquer the whole of India, but when Akbar does it, it is bad.

Please don't compare them with Akbar, Akbar if was not a muslim could come closer to them but he could not. And for a commentor, Durdhara was NOT IN love with Chandragupta for heaven's sake.

9. Akbar visits the Sikh gurus and gives them land to build the Golden Temple. Why, because he was bad.

aGain a big thumbs up

10. The Kashmiri pandits were groaning against the excesses of fundamentalist Chak rule. When Akbar conquers Kashmir, he gives the pandits full rights. There are historical records of Brahmins being presented with cows laden with gold. There are also records of Akbar participating in Hindu festivals. Why, because Akbar was bad.

Yup he was kind.

11. Akbar orders the end of cow slaughter. Why, because Akbar was bad

again that's why he is called GREAT.

12. For the first time after 300 years of Islamic rule, at Akbar's reign, Hindu temples were constructed. 4 in Vrindavan, 2 in Varansi and many others. The great Somnath temple is repaired after 400 years of looting. The great Tirupathi Balaji temple is given protection by Todarmal.

There are so many others reasons why Akbar is bad. The people in Pakistan hate Akbar because he is regarded as being too lenient to Hindus. I think India should start hating him too. This program makes a good start.

This serial could have done great numbers. Instead it is languishing in the 30th position because people don't like what they see. Maharana Pratap, A great warrior and patriot's name is being used in vain.

Originally posted by: roopshas1

Originally posted by: HaremSultan

Whatever i will write is strictly from history and not influence by stupid historical serials.

Conclusion:

The Akbar they are showing is absolutely right because in that age he was short tempered and cruel but that was because he was under bad influence of Bairam Khan and Maham Anga. Also, Akbar did not have power, yup not much power till Bairam was alive, only after his and maham's death he could pursue his policy freely. Akbar so far is shown correct but when maham dies and he gets married to Maryam he surely will change himself. And many punishments in period of 1556-1604 were given by bairam khan and after his death maham anga.

Akbar is currently 13-14 years and as such at that age he did not even attend council meeting/durbars. He would be busy hawking and playing with his friends like Adham Khan etc not running after women/girls. His lust for women started after early 20s till mid 40s where he married many princesses especially Rajput ones and they were majorly political ploys. At 13-14 the age he is now Akbar must be busy playing with friends or disgusing and going off to markets/melas or going to war field with Bairam Khan. Akbar's 5th wife was Hira Kunwari aka Mariam -uz-zamani. I would be fine if Akbar is showing falling for a girl after age of 21-22 but this is very young age and a child cannot behave so as decipted for love of a girl. And Bairam Khan his regent and foster father shall never allow him to do so in first place. Akbar started marrying a lot of girls only after BK's death. That shows somewhere BK influence on him even after 4-5 years after his death.

Secondly regarding withdrawing of Tirath Yatra tax - this was done by Akbar initially on request of Ram Singh Rewa King and his childhood friend. Akbar stayed in Rewa in childhood in palace of Rewa king while his parents were away in exile for few years. And Ram Singh was the prince of Rewa. When Ram Singh requested Akbar to withdraw Tirath Yatra tax for his citizens of Rewa. That time he withdrew for all citizens of empire. So the credit is Ram Singh's not Hira Kunwari's. Akbar is known to have gone with Ram Singh to Allahabad-Kashi on visit too.

Originally posted by: roopshas1

While it is incredibly tough to be not sarcastic and immature, especially when you are heavily coffee laden because you are trying to stay awake, reading some 10 volumes of Indian History each of which have nearly 450 pages, preparing for history exams, I will try to be not be narrow minded and will accept your views about CGM and Durdhara. Unfortunately, it is written in my history book that they fell in love with each other at first sight after CGM defeated DN and since this marriage would give CGM the legitimate right to Magadha throne, Chanakya made sure they got married by the rite of swayamvara. No other wife is known except Seleucus's daughter whom he married at the age of 39. Since Chanakya often used vishkanya in assassinations, he was wary of women and since Durdhara had already given them a heir to throne, it is safe to presume CGM did not have any other queens. However, certain texts do mention him marrying his maternal uncle's daughter though these scriptures come up around some 800 years after his death so their authenticity is often contested. Sorry, this is not not me speaking but my history books. And for the matter I don't know history, let's see

Really????? Because as far as I have read, his chief consort was Ruqaiya Sutan Begum. Oh yeah right, Mariam was one of his three chief queens. Mariam had importance only because she gave them Jahangir, she was given the title and all those powers only because she gave Jahangir. Whereas Ruqaiya and Salima held power in their own right. As for influencing, she couldn't even beg for own son's life when he rebelled. It was Ruqaiya and Salima who did the job. As for his Hindu tolerance, he was born in a Rajput household and grew up there for most of his childhood. He had Birbal, Tansen, Todarmal, Maan Singh, etc. in his court. They have more credit for this than Mariam ever did. Not saying that she didn't have a role but she wasn't as important as some people make her out to be.

I find it incredibly foolish when someone insults another without any provocation. Yes, before you point out, let me tell you that when you say that I don't know history without even confirming your own historical facts, I hate it. I feel offended by it. And don't you use wikipedia or something as unreliable to prove your point. I am really welcoming towards people pointing out my mistakes. If you don't believe me, ask Jyoti or apolloartemis. They will show that when I had my historical facts about Ajabde's death wrong, I accepted it and immediately corrected it. And yes, thank you very much, I know where history ends and historical serials start. And when you and the commentor on the same page or even the same topic, its polite to use his/her name/username.

I accept BS from most people. I accept sarcastic comments. I accept mistakes and goof-ups. But what I do NOT accept is insults. I hope you will be graceful the next time you interact with me, comment on my posts or point out my mistakes.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Akbar is currently 13-14 years and as such at that age he did not even attend council meeting/durbars. He would be busy hawking and playing with his friends like Adham Khan etc not running after women/girls. His lust for women started after early 20s till mid 40s where he married many princesses especially Rajput ones and they were majorly political ploys. At 13-14 the age he is now Akbar must be busy playing with friends or disgusing and going off to markets/melas or going to war field with Bairam Khan. Akbar's 5th wife was Hira Kunwari aka Mariam -uz-zamani. I would be fine if Akbar is showing falling for a girl after age of 21-22 but this is very young age and a child cannot behave so as decipted for love of a girl. And Bairam Khan his regent and foster father shall never allow him to do so in first place. Akbar started marrying a lot of girls only after BK's death. That shows somewhere BK influence on him even after 4-5 years after his death.

The first 4 wives of Akbar were his cousins or his close family friend girls most probabbly arranged by his mother/aunty/relatives etc. Its only once Akbar married Amer princess that he realized that he can politically benefit by marrying Rajput princess and married many. His lust for women also started only after 20s not before that. Hence the serial confuses viewer because till his 20s he was not known as a womanizer.

Secondly regarding withdrawing of Tirath Yatra tax - this was done by Akbar initially on request of Ram Singh Rewa King and his childhood friend. Akbar stayed in Rewa in childhood in palace of Rewa king while his parents were away in exile for few years. And Ram Singh was the prince of Rewa. When Ram Singh requested Akbar to withdraw Tirath Yatra tax for his citizens of Rewa. That time he withdrew for all citizens of empire. So the credit is Ram Singh's not Hira Kunwari's. Akbar is known to have gone with Ram Singh to Allahabad-Kashi on visit too.

Another fact Hira Kunwari got prominence in Mughal court only after she gave birth to Salim not before that. She stayed in harem with other wives till then. Fatekpur Sikri was built by Akbar for Salim his son because he was born there not Hira Kunwari as many think. Only Ruqaiah and Salima had their own palaces in agra fort before Salim was born because they were Akbar's first cousins. Only after Salim was born Hira Kunwari moved to a newly built palace Jehangir mahal named after Salim. But only she did not stay there all Rajput wives/cocubbiness of Akbar stayed there. Hira Kunwari may have become powerful later on but that was because she gave Akbar an heir. Also when she went to amer(very few times) rajput princess who married Akbar/mulim rulers were not allowed to stay in main palace with family. They had seperate wings outside main palaces as they were considered outcasts by their own family although their own father/brother married them to Akbar or muslim rulers to save their kingdoms they could not eat with family etc. This was done to also pacify their citizens and because these women converted to islam once they married Akbar or once they had a son(like Hira Kunwari did). That is very reason why Rajputh kings refused to marry mughal princesses as they wanted their son lineage to remain purely rajpuths only. Daughters were scarificial lambs married out to whoever was more powerdful than them or where they could gain some benefits monetary/political.

Do you think mughal nobels would accept Salim as their emperor if his mother would not have converted to islam after his birth?? never. Once when Salim was sent with his mother to amer only mughal court was up in arms about a mughal crown prince going to rajputhana.Akbar never ater with his Rajputh relatives even Man Singh etc. Its mentioned in akbarnama too why? Because Akbar may be emperor but his being another religin made him outcast among rajputh relatives. Just like in 21st century inter religion marriage faces terrible discrimination by society/family it would be even more worse in those days. So all these dreamy sequences shown in movie/serials are not correct about love story about equal family bonding etc. There are private diaries letters written by mughals that are not available in books format nor sold. There are like personal diaries they would maintain about day today family happenings and many things said above are recorded there. Because all mughal official documents, books are more administrative nothing personal.

Another fact that not many know Tansen, Birbal both worked for Ram Singh before moving to Akbar's durbar. Akbar requested Ram Sinh to send them to his durbar. If you read Madhya Pradesh chronicles or about Rewa all these facts are available. There are lots of such facts but not available in online. Once must take efforts to read all these books, letters to know real history. Else we shall assume things shown in serials/internet etc as real history.

In olden days serials historical ones were accurate to 70% atleast but now its like BK told 20% truth 80% imagination not real history.