Why did Shakti join Akbar? - Page 2

@Pari

I am not saying Pratap was jealous or envious. I am only saying they did not share a goody-goody relation as this serial shows if historical records are anything to go by (like only Shakti competed whereas Pratap never had any such rivalry).

Of course there must have been some goodness and attachment as brothers or else Shakti wouldn't have saved him.

Assuming from historical records I think Pratap was a talented, gifted boy and a favourite of his father and nobles thanks to his talents BUT also his obedience. He is clever enough to not to hurt his father's ego.
Even in the show, when he went to appeal to Raawat ji he did not say he was doing it for Shakti but said he was requesting him to prevent death sentence for sake of US as father. Now also, he did not oppose US' decision. He protested when US disowned Shakti. But fell silent when Raawat ji offered to adopt him.

Not that he nurses ambitions to become king. But he is always careful to not to oppose US much and obey him as much as possible.

Or else he could have said even now that he would leave or won't accept to be Yuvraj if Bhai Shakti was disowned like this (as he had threatened before Shakti's death sentence at the vadh sthal).

Shakti exists. Fine. He is not thrown out to wander in deserts. Fine enough. The rest, it's best to cry and stay silent instead of disobeying or arguing with Rana ji further.

Not that I am pointing out fingers at Pratap, I am only talking about history as it is mentioned.

We can't be sure what actually was. Historical records do not mention much about the kind of relation that US and Shakti shared. All they say is that Shakti lost favour with US. And one record says US disowned him right after the astrologer's prediction! Other incidents aren't even mentioned (seems the show is picking up pieces from here and there and trying to weave a proper record).

Better to keep debate more open than restrict it. I think the entire family was twisted. And while I commend the hero for his bravery and sacrifice and the place he occupies in history, I don't buy this narrative of him being flawless either. If history says they were rivals then that also matters apart from what the show is showing.

Very less is written about Shakti. So we do not know how he was. One site said Shakti cut his thumb on his own to check sharpness of a knife. There is no mention of him trying to do so in defiance of his father. It's said US happened to see it and was baffled by the brutality he inflicted on himself so he consulted the astrologer on the boy's future. The astrologer predicted he'd be no good for the kingdom so US decided to throw him!

So how do we conclude what was there and what wasn't? Who knows if Shakti was as insolent as he was shown in the serial? Or Pratap is all goody goody sweetie pie who could not even see a drop of blood?

I have no doubts on fathers playing favourites and mostly favouring the eldest son because it was the norm in old days and even in MB, Dhritrashtra cared only about Duryodhan and in Ramayan Dashrath is always bleeding and crying for eldest son Ram. So I believe US also indulged in favouritism. I would have doubted if he indeed favoured Bhaatiyani as much as this show is showing, but that is evident in how he even chucked his favouritism towards Pratap only to make Jagmal the new king at Bhaatiyani's behest!

Who knows if Shakti saved Pratap out of brotherly love or as an act of defiance to Mughals when he felt insulted and used by them? It was his heart that prompted him to save his brother or again his ego?

We can only assume!

History is barely there, scattered records, lot of hearsay, different accounts by different historians, some say too positive things, some say negative things, there is always a tendency to make someone hero and someone villain. Facts are barely there.

The serial is proceeding as per the norm. Hero is unblemished and divine. They are trying to give a fair chance to enemies within by giving them psycho issues. And painting Islamic invaders as beastly brutes (they may have a heart or psycho issues but that's not to be shown). So be it.

For now, let Shakti rot in humiliation and live on favours and bheek of others. And enjoy temporary happiness of Pratap being made the official heir (only to be robbed of this title later!).

Shakti was indeed better off dead.

@debu: i know he needs to take revenge from uday singh but after rawat ji has adopted him, i find it unjustified to go against rawat ji atleast. Had he left to join akbar then only after fight with US then it would have been justified but now i couldn't corelate it why he would have joined akbar

@nirmita: this bhatiyani should have given death sentence, she has major hand in making mewar prone to mughal attack. Had uday singh been really tactful he would have atleast realized intentions of bhatiyani when he was on his death bed and bhatiyani wz asking for her son jagmal to be crowned as king. Wish i could go back in history and give her a tight slap 😡

i think ..Udai singh will escape when humayu or mughal will attack them...someone wrote in this forum...

@jastoronto: i too find that upbringing of shakti wz full of flaws. No child can develop such bitter feelings for his father by birth. First he was barred from all the facilities of palace, he was taken by rawat ji... I feel something might have happened which forced shakti to join akbar. yes, it was common that kings signed treaty for collaboration as they were afraid of being thrown out by mughals 🤢 i dun know why did shakti join him, but good deeds of pratap forced him to come back to him!! Shakti was brave enough to take pratap side and admit before jahangir that he was with pratap. I feel that shakti was really very brave. Alas! Such a brave warrior had to leave mewar to join akbar.

It depends on Shakti what he wants. Why should it be contingent upon Shakti to stay "loyal" to Mewar for Raawat ji?! Raawat ji himself took Shakti. Shakti did not beg him to take him as a son! Ajeeb hai!

Why should Shakti feel he owes anything to Raawat ji?

Shakti didn't even want life. He had no qualms in getting death and getting rid of such a life.

People kept doing whatever they wanted to do with him. He didn't ask or expect anyone to do anything for him. So there is no way he "must" respect everyone or return the favour (those favours that he did not even ask for!).

If he felt insulted and rotten in a land he had all the right to not give a damn to it.

I am glad his descendants are known by his name and not the biased father's clan!

Though if he was really worth it and man enough then he should have found his own kingdom or something instead of joining Mughals (which was a bigger shame and more hurt to ego than bowing to his father).

Originally posted by: Pari117

@jastoronto: i too find that upbringing of shakti wz full of flaws. No child can develop such bitter feelings for his father by birth. First he was barred from all the facilities of palace, he was taken by rawat ji... I feel something might have happened which forced shakti to join akbar. yes, it was common that kings signed treaty for collaboration as they were afraid of being thrown out by mughals 🤢 i dun know why did shakti join him, but good deeds of pratap forced him to come back to him!! Shakti was brave enough to take pratap side and admit before jahangir that he was with pratap. I feel that shakti was really very brave. Alas! Such a brave warrior had to leave mewar to join akbar.

Originally posted by: JasToronto

You see Pari ji, it is really very difficult to pin point the reason behind Shakti's revolt. He was a prince and he knew the Rajput traditions and monarchy rules that the eldest son had to be the successor to throne. Perhaps in this track, creative are adding some spice to story line to make it interesting. For example, history says that Prince Jagmal was only a couple years younger than Pratap but they are showing as Jagmal was 13-14 years younger. Shakti might have been a stubborn kid with numerous flaws but certainly he didn't want to give pain to his mother. After all Rajput blood was flowing in his arteries and veins.

Somebody wrote that creative and historians are showing Pratap as a man with perfect moral character and goody goody all the time. I think Pratap was an ideal character in Indian History books. That's why people of Rajasthan respect him like God till today. The other worriers who gave tough fight to Mughals in later years were Chatrapatti Shivaji in South India and Guru Gobind Singh in North India.

In 1567, Rana Udai Singh left the fort of Chittorgarh. Pratap and Shakti was 27 years old that time. Nine years later the haldigati battle was fought in 1576. It seems that Pratap was crowned as prince of Mewar somewhere around 1555 and Shakti was adopted by Rawat ji that time.

Since Pratap was succeeded to throne in 1572 while they were in an exile government in the foothills of Udaipur (this city was developed by Rana udai Singh), Shakti might have not seen any interest in it because he wanted power. By joining Akbar he became a member of winning Emperor who gave him a little kingdom of his own. Plus there was no danger to his life and his family was secure. Had he been with Pratap, he had to live in jungles and feed his children bread made up of grass and leaves. Thus he was not a patriot and had no feelings for his nation, mother or people of Mewar.