Discussion thread - Week of 5/9/2011 - Page 11

Rani, I loved the way you finally expressed you thoughts on Friday's episode. And I can see why your post seems against Guddu.

Hi Rani totally agree wth you about GUddu except that I still live Guddu. I guess al l the blindspots you have brought up with regards to Guddu are true, I believe it is all part of his 'growing up' . I also believe that the CVs will tie everything in once Guddu sort out his feelings for Runjhun.

Originally posted by: rani2007

The way Guddu is acting you would think this is the relationship between Guddu and Runjhun and this is what is going through his head.

"Guddu and Runjhun met and their families decided to get them married. Guddu knew about Runjhun's engagement with Abhigyaan and knew that it had fallen apart. Gunjhun get married and start to like each other. Guddu finds out his wife still thinks about Abhigyaan and is trying to change him into his image. Guddu is disgusted by Runjhun's actions and does not understand how he could have been duped by her. Guddu thinks about how nice he has always been to Runjhun and how well he has always treated her. How he has never bothered her or yelled at her or misunderstood her. Guddu cannot understand how someone would not love him just the way he is. Runjhun did not want to change him to become a better person but rather to become Abhigyaan. And, Runjhun spies on him. Just the icing on this cake."

The above makes no sense as I think Guddu has blocked out parts of his history with Runjhun. I just don't understand where Guddu is coming from. I guess Guddu's ego/pride has been hurt at the thought that Runjhun prefers Abhiugyaan and that is why he lashed out at her. If he actually thinks about... and if he still thinks Runjhun prefers Abhigyaan and is in love with him... shouldn't he think well why would she like him more than me? What has he done that I have not done? Would Guddu then make the connection that 😲 he hasn't treated Runjhun well? Yes, he's been nice to her the last few days but that's all. And, he's lost his temper with her quite a few times in the middle of it. The only time he didn't yell at her was after she found out he paid the kid to buy the cellphone charger.

Would he then consider the fact that maybe he needs to make amends? Not even make amends...but maybe start to give Runjhun the benefit of the doubt? Maybe start to support her especially in this scenario with Jabbo and Mahadevi?

It's like Guddu has forgotten that Runjhun did not agree to marry him. Heck, HE didn't agree to marry HER!! He's forgotten that Runjhun was not supposed to marry Abhigyaan that day but was supposed to marry Shashi (I think that was the name). He's forgotten that he's the reason Runjhun's engagement to Abhigyaan fell apart. He's forgotten that she's the one who begged him to stay the day he left PN after getting the 100k from the Mamas. He's forgotten that he made her beg on her knees and still did not agree to stay. He's forgotten that he tried to shoot her. He's forgotten that Runjhun's always honest with him. He's forgotten WHY Runjhun burned the wedding things that Guddu had touched.. and the fact that she burned them because he tried to auction off her wedding items. I don't think she would have burned anything had the auction not happened and Guddu had just stolen the items. It wasn't just his touch that caused her to burn the items.

A normal guy... would realize how much he has wronged someone... and try to change FOR that person to show them what kind of person he can be. He would change to show that person that he is deserving of their love and affection. Not our Guddu though...accept me for who I am and who are you to not love each and every action of mine even if I have wronged you at every turn. How dare you try to make me into a gentleman like this Abhigyaan? I'm awesome and he's dirt.

Guddu...😡😡😡

Ok, I'm done now.

Yeah, I agree, it seems that Guddu certainly seems to have a sort of selective memory when it comes to his interactions with Runjhun.

I mean, the 2 mamas, Vishnu & Rajju, basically instigated his mother into falling into a coma, and yet he seems to be a lot more forgive and forget about that (yes, i know he's still rude and threatening, but that's also how he behaved with them before they hurt his mother).

Where as while yes, Runjhun did unintentionally send him to jail twice and hurt his "honour" that way, he still seems to go overboard in his previous outright hatred of her, and his anger with her in the past.

Though I guess, one could argue, that the very fact that he gets so emotionally involved/invested/incensed and is unable to think clearly and logically when it comes to Runjhun, is because he does seem to have a connection and unique relationship with her, and that right now it is all so complicated, but when it finally gets resolved, he'll find it to be the most fulfilling relationship of his life.

Edit: formatting

Guys, misunderstandings happen when you are invested emotionally in a relationship, e.g. in friendships, with your spouse, parents, siblings. A slight miscommunication takes on a life of its own.

Originally posted by: gardes

Guys, misunderstandings happen when you are invested emotionally in a relationship, e.g. in friendships, with your spouse, parents, siblings. A slight miscommunication takes on a life of its own.

Ever since the 2 got married, I have been calling daily episodes since then as an anatomy of a (mis)-arranged marriage. It takes a lot of effort and energy to build and maintain a relationship and with many ups and downs, you get to know the person better and you are on your way to build a solid foundation.

With each change in status (employment, illnesses, kids, in-laws), you revisit and reset your priorities, but if there is a solid foundation on which the relationship is initially based, the transition gets smoother.

Communication at each step is the key element.

Gardes, et al

This is what exactly makes this show so great. More than any show, Guddu and RJ have actually had calm/funny conversations about how differently they see the world. Guddu has pushed RJ to talk to him repeatedly in the show and discuss their differences. The CV's have been great in not letting mis-understandings stay too long with this couple in the past. I am curious how long this one will. Guddu was in no mood to listen in this last episode, but hopefully something may change.

But there is no misunderstanding about the actual issue which is Guddu does not want to change on RJ's terms and wants acceptance. He also has a lot to accept and atone for. His treatment of her was wrong. These are real issues that this couple has.

So watching that scene with Guddu and the bar dancer on tv right now...it doesn't seem like he actually touched her. Like his hand/palm/fingers were not on the woman... rather she was hanging on to his arms and his arms were around her. Wonder if this was purposeful..

Funny how much nicer it is on a regular sized TV. 😆

Ok, so I watched again...

Hi gardes,

Originally posted by: gardes

Ok, so I watched again...

There was one thing that I had overlooked (maybe forgotten in all the drama) that caught my attention today...

Guddu is upset when Runjhun says "ghin aati hai". He tells her that yes, I am a gunda and I am badmaash, but what about you? You work without any self-respect (do kaudi ka kaam) for your family and you are telling me about respect.

He is lashing out at her on many fronts - being Abhigyan, her interaction with her family, the change chunauti...

He has a very strange reaction when she mentions Nillu. Nillu may be an idolized ex-wife who gave him dhokha (betrayal)...? I am sure I am grasping at straws, but I remember Runjhun, around the time he washes up after saving he child, mentions when he was touched by her defense of him, that "shaadi bhi to pehli baar ki hai, sukh na sahi, dukh to baant sakte hain" (This is a first time marriage for you, maybe not in happiness, but I can always share your pain). He gives her a look at the time. I thought that was an odd interjection at the time but maybe Nillu may resurface as an explanation of that statement.

Yes, that was interesting. I watched it and thought it was quite interesting that Guddu mentioned RJ's self-respect so many times. To me it was weird the spying connection. I mean where did that come from? Guddu has hardly left the house except to go across the street to his Carom/IM/CD Galleria. Maybe how she showed up at the bar and the hospital the other day? Also the theme that she is a poor unfortunate worker. I remember he said something to her in an early episode that she works thanklessly for her aunts and uncles. He told Jabbu to look at her. Interesting of course is when she worked all night for the mobile center and he did not bother to thank her then.

Just some random thoughts... Okay sleep is the only way to get to Monday's episode

hey...you guys are great...you think so deeply...believe me I came to forum just because to read updates which are restricted by author for members and in this forum there is nothing like that ...thats good...If the updates get restricted ...how people will come to know about the show...