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Posted: 8 years ago
Arjun is one confusing character 😆 I really wonder what was it that he wanted out of life. I guess Maya has been the center of every discussion that happened here but for once it would be nice to decode Arjun as well. I guess Maya's enigmatic persona overshadowed everyone else and maybe that left little scope to decipher other characters.
Arjun was an easy going happy lad. Well typically someone in his position would have stood before his family and friends fighting for them. But it was the other way round. He had never really done anything that deserved the extra attention lavished upon him by his step mom, younger brother, best friend or wife. Infact they stood as a shield for Arjun. He never shouldered any real responsibility in his life which is strange. Being the oldest son and man of the house, what did Arjun ever do for his family? As for Maya, I still wonder what did Maya see in him 😕 Agreed he stepped in while she was being harassed by Ashwin but wouldn't any decent guy do that? Was there anything extraordinary in what he did? Did he risk his life to protect Maya? Err NO. Infact Maya risked her life to rescue this guy. Despite not knowing how to swim she set out all alone when the tides were high to rescue him when he got stranded on an island. He never pursued Maya but it was the other way round. I wouldn't say he married Maya for her money as that wouldn't be true but like any other average guy he was floored when a beautiful, successful and enigmatic woman like Maya fell in love with him. He had everyone at his beck n call which led him to believe he was special when fact remained that he was just another ordinary guy who had it easy in life. He never struggled to get a job though the responsibility of running his family came down to him. Infact Saanjh would look out for him all the time and she seemed more concerned about his job than him 😆 Losing a job meant little to him. After his father died, he should have been a father figure to his younger brother who hero worshipped him for no good reason. His step mother loved him more than her own son.

In my post yesterday, I had mentioned how Arjun had been less of a ma da ladla, Ayaan ka bhai or Dusky's Duffer when compared to Maya's Arjun. The reason I felt so was bcoz Arjun could never sort out his priorities. When he had to give his family or bestie preference he chose to stay with his wife and vice versa. He kept on swaying like a pendulum but he could never find his ground. As for leaving Maya, he had tons and tons of valid reasons:
1. Isolating him from his own family
2. Torturing his mother
3. Keeping him a prisoner in her home
4. Letting the world believe he subjected her to domestic violence while she inflicted the wounds on her by self
5. When he realised in the course of 3 years their love had died
6. Implicating his brother falsely
7. Maya and Samay's truth (the real one which was Samay's truth that only Saanjh knows now)
(This list would go on but here we are talking about situations that came to light and not the ones that remain hidden like Ashwin's murder and Jhanvi's accident though they are valid.) But instead he left her bcoz his love had died the moment he got to know about Samay. Really Arjun? You only know Maya's version of the truth where Maya had a relationship with Samay in the past and Maya assuming he had changed for good and found love in Saanjh felt there was nothing to worry about him coming back. You would leave your wife just bcoz you got to know she had a past? How hypocritical can this get?

About Saanjh coming in between them deliberately I strongly disagree. Circumstances brought Saanjh between them. It may have taken time for Saanjh to accept that Arjun loved another woman but she did eventually. I donno why this girl is being held responsible for tearing Arjun and Maya apart. She is certainly dumb and over reactive but by no means is she a bad friend. She never wanted Arjun after he moved on but it was Arjun who held her back when she decided to move out of his life for good. She tried to befriend Maya and she even blamed Vandana for not treating Maya well post the wedding. Ever since her childhood she had harbored feelings for Arjun and the fact that her own family (barring Prem) and Vandana had unofficially proclaimed her to be Arjun's bride encouraged her to nourish those feelings even without confirming if Arjun also felt the same way. The only mistake on her part (besides acting dumb and impulsive) was to not give space to Arjun and Maya and not realise that after marriage the wife may not really like that. Had she done that deliberately to separate Arjun and Maya? NO. She just assumed that her friendship with Arjun will not change, no matter what. They were kids who had grown up together. It was obvious they wouldn't feel awkward to share a hug, a laugh or even a platonic kiss. She just remained the way she was before Arjun got married. I still remember the scene when her dupatta caught fire and Arjun fussed over her instead of checking with Maya as well if she was all right too since she had burnt her hands to save Saanjh. Who was responsible for Maya's insecurity? Was it not Arjun himself?

As for bandar, yes if its alive it will surely be an obstacle between Arjun and Saanjh, just the way Arjun might have been between his father and Vandana. But only time will tell. Coz babies can be moulded easily unlike grown up children. In Arjun's case he was mature enough to realise his mother's place was taken. But if bandar is taken in by Arjun and Saanjh when he/she was a baby and never got to know about Maya how will it even matter? Its another matter if Maya manipulates matters but if the kid were to grow up with Arjun and Saanjh and never know Maya's version of Maya but got to know the truth and if bandar was mature and old enough when he/she got to know this, its possible he/she will not feel bitter about Saanjh. I guess if Arjun and Saanjh secure bandar's future and get rid of Maya before its too late, there is still a tiny probability that bandar will grow up to be a good human being, Bcoz despite all her flaws Saanjh will be a good mother and love bandar like it were her own child. But it all boils down to one critical factor - Circumstances.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Fernandes43

The Doctor declared that bandar didn't survive! He has no reason to falsify such a critical information to an anxious waiting family, without a strong motive! If Maya is not involved in this manipulation of hiding the existence of her child, there is no way hospital doctors would do such things, staking their own future! Moreover, police got involved in this matter, at the behest of Maya's complaint!
So, theory of existence of bandar without the knowledge of the parents involvement is absurd & far-fatched, even for illogical Beyhadh story-tellers!
Maya is mad or not, but certainly is not a fool! She won't hide the child & then call the police to arrest Vandana! If her prime motive is to keep arjun, then why would she do the opposite to irritate him?


We are not talking about practicality but Indian TV shows where even the P of practicality doesn't exist 😆 I have seen even dumber and improbable things being shown in other shows that this doesn't really count for me 🤣

As for Maya's motive, only Maya knows but keeping the bandar alive and faking its death would have bought her sympathy had it not backfired on her when Arjun declared he was staying with her just for the sake of bandar.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Beyondhorizon exactly Arjun left Maya because Maya bought Samay between them. Look at the dialogue Samay between them. Not that she didnt tell about Samay in advance so that Saanjh life is not ruined nor she implicated Ayan in a false rape case. Samay came between Arjun and Maya. What kind of a reason is it out of all to leave your wife. Because she had a pre marital relation. 😕😕. Crimes ok, but not pre marital. I was confused.
Then again I was angry why he put all the blame on 3 women as if he didnt do anything. It was not correct.

Coming to Saanjh, didnt you get it till now the perception. Saanjh is Arjun's madness, his pagalpan. So as you said effect is Saanjh, cause is Arjun. I had said in season 1, Saanjh is Arjun's power, the power he uses the way he wants, bends the way he wants. The thing is power is an individual not a robot, why the individual is not taking action. The day Saanjh thinks as an individual not as a robot or madness of Arjun that day his ego will bite dust.

That first scene where Saanjh sees Maya's tears, the scene where Saanjh finds 2 birth dates and tell Maya can win the case, I had hoped it is Saanjh who will get Maya justice. But then Saanjh sitting mute for wedding telling Arjun come literally dashed the hopes for me.

But when Arjun called Saanjh his madness the hopes are revived. Will the madness break free from the clutches of a man called Arjun. Arjun's power is Saanjh, Maya's power Ganesha/her bandar. It is a power game.

At this point game looked poised for Arjun to get Maya's wealth and Saanjh for wife and live a luxurious life the way he wanted.

The way Arjun drives Maya's madness had always made me believe in this angle, whether he has such a motive. he had also told he is phd in telling lies to Ayan before wedding.

That's why i said if Arjun's arc is anyways in this direction he is worse than Ashwin or Rajiv. Because both of them didnt hide their motives.

Lesson has to be for Arjun, not Saanjh. Saanjh is only a medium.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Beyondhorizon exactly Arjun left Maya because Maya bought Samay between them. Look at the dialogue Samay between them. Not that she didnt tell about Samay in advance so that Saanjh life is not ruined nor she implicated Ayan in a false rape case. Samay came between Arjun and Maya. What kind of a reason is it out of all to leave your wife. Because she had a pre marital relation. 😕😕. Crimes ok, but not pre marital. I was confused.

Then again I was angry why he put all the blame on 3 women as if he didnt do anything. It was not correct. True, that angered me too. Had he known how Maya made Rajiv aka Samay self immolate and how she used him to do her bidding I still get it. But not for the reason he believes is right.

Coming to Saanjh, didnt you get it till now the perception. Saanjh is Arjun's madness, his pagalpan. So as you said effect is Saanjh, cause is Arjun. I had said in season 1, Saanjh is Arjun's power, the power he uses the way he wants, bends the way he wants. The thing is power is an individual not a robot, why the individual is not taking action. The day Saanjh thinks as an individual not as a robot or madness of Arjun that day his ego will bite dust. Sorry I looked at it from a diff angle. Yes, Saanjh is his power and I so wish Saanjh would realise how Arjun has used her all this while. She should realise that Arjun's whims and fancies cant control her life. For once she should make Arjun realise his folly.

That first scene where Saanjh sees Maya's tears, the scene where Saanjh finds 2 birth dates and tell Maya can win the case, I had hoped it is Saanjh who will get Maya justice. But then Saanjh sitting mute for wedding telling Arjun come literally dashed the hopes for me. Me too. I hoped Saanjh would understand Maya and uncover her past. Even when came to the right conclusion her theories had been baseless.

But when Arjun called Saanjh his madness the hopes are revived. Will the madness break free from the clutches of a man called Arjun. Arjun's power is Saanjh, Maya's power Ganesha/her bandar. It is a power game. I really feel sorry for Saanjh. She always carries the burden of setting things right for her duffer without even comprehending her own actions. Which makes her take hasty decisions.

At this point game looked poised for Arjun to get Maya's wealth and Saanjh for wife and live a luxurious life the way he wanted. I hope he doesn't get Maya's wealth or he doesn't accept it. I would appreciate it if he took care of Jhanvi post Maya's death drama. Lets see what he does.

The way Arjun drives Maya's madness had always made me believe in this angle, whether he has such a motive. he had also told he is phd in telling lies to Ayan before wedding. That he surely does 😆

That's why i said if Arjun's arc is anyways in this direction he is worse than Ashwin or Rajiv. Because both of them didnt hide their motives. Arjun is probably not a criminal but he is a very, very confused guy who wants what he asks for but he doesn't want the responsibilities that come with it.

Lesson has to be for Arjun, not Saanjh. Saanjh is only a medium.


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Posted: 8 years ago
@Mandy Arjun cannot be a criminal, that I am sure of. But he has a big inflated ego. Also like Jhanvi, Maya's choice cannot be wrong.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Guys Cinevistaas much acclaimed show Ek Hasina thi or EHT as it was fondly called is retelecasting in Star Utsav at 9 pm from Jul 3rd. I had always wanted to watch it once again. But now it clashes with Beyhadh 😭😭 and at this point I want to watch Beyhadh.
But if any one of you interested can check out that show. It was one hell of a thriller.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Mandy Arjun cannot be a criminal, that I am sure of. But he has a big inflated ego. Also like Jhanvi, Maya's choice cannot be wrong.


@Bold - couldn't have put it across better 👍🏼 About Jhanvi-Maya, as the saying goes 'like mother like daughter'. The only difference lies in the attitude. While Jhanvi gave her all to Ashwin expecting nothing inreturn, Maya expected Arjun to give his all to her like she did.
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@mandy Jhanvi gave her everything to a man who exploited her and the child. Maya was trying to control a man who didnt wanted to be controlled by a woman. Maya's need to control and Arjun not wanting control both stem from their childhood experiences, that template which they are unknowingly following rather than cutting their own template. I guess I had put this part in one of the early analysis. A man who doesnt want to be controlled a woman and woman who wants to control a man end up together. What else can be expected other than destruction
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Posted: 8 years ago
Arjun convicted for Maya's murder... expected.. [like GG]. Let's see now what new games Maya will play. Now Maya will destroy Arjun...
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Maya from where did you study the game of dice. Who taught you this game. Vandana gave Dusky blessing that she get Arjun's love. And you asked Maa Lakshmi not to leave Arjun. What a check mate Maya. Yes Vandana's blessing will come true, so does your request. Even if Arjun and Dusky wants, Maa Lakshmi Arjun ka peecha nahi chodengi. Even if Arjun tells Maa Lakshmi please I dont want wealth, Maa Lakshmi will give him wealth. Even if Saanjh tries all her tricks in the world to remove Arjun from the Maya of wealth or from Maa Lakshmi, Maa Lakshmi wont budge. Game is not with Maya the woman any more. Game is with Maa Lakshmi.
Vandana told God doesnt support bad people. Maya didnt ask support for her, she asked support for Arjun who accodring to Vandana is the world's best boy available.

I loved what Maya said at last. That was the truth she told. SHe didnt come to take revenge for her child, she came there to tell her pain. She killed Vandana in a box, suffocating her. The dark room where child Maya was suffocated. The woman who didnt understand the cries of that child who was left unattended in a dark room almost suffocated, experienced that suffocation. Yes Maya was in a dark room where no light came. She tried to bring light, but again people pushed her to darkness. Her mother didnt support her, she hoped her mother in law will be her mother. But then it didnt happen. Yes she shouldnt have responded to Ayan, for the sake of the child maybe Vandana would have tolerated her. But then the darkness inside her was too much. SHe was right. She wont get happiness. Happiness is a myth for her. Her problem has no medicine other than death. She was truthful in telling in killing Vandana she got peace of mind. It was ironic of her lighting the lamp of Lakshmi actually. She had wanted to come to that home as Lakshmi, she really wanted to. But she ended up the destroyer of the house, but as she goes, she asks Maa Lakshmi to be with Arjun. Doesnt matter Maa Lakshmi left her hand. It reminded me of Saanjh shouting at Maa Lakshmi. How did you leave my hand when she felt Arjun loves Maya. Then when vm goes to Maya's place Maya plays with people's brain. Show to the world you exist. Yes Maa Lakshmi will show to the world she exist but may not be the way Saanjh expected.

I also liked one of her other dialogues. You are God, why didnt you show your greatness. It is a truth that someone become God not by mouthing dialogues, it is by being emphatheic, it is by being able to forgive with all heart at the most appropriate time. Vandana lacked empathy and there are no two sides for that. And that lack of empathy killed her today. Maya leaves the photo of Ayan and Arjun together. She gathers all the pebbles in the bottle, emptying the kachara in it. It reminded me of the water jar she held without breaking. Arjun had place for everyone but not my love. She doesnt understand even after filling all the pebbles the bottle still has much space. Love is accomodative. It will make space for itself Maya. She is going with pebbles and empty space. Telling Arjun's life wont have Maya, she will be a memory.

Coming to Arjun.Yes a dog came to him. A similar cute puppy showing whom Maya took him to the skies and proposed him. Today he was asking whether Maya trained him. He says he is also trained by Maya. He has left his wife, his best friend and his mother. Arrey Arjun own up something man. Drinking and shouting. Aasman ka ride over. Neeche aa ja. Maa Lakshmi is waiting for you.

Well Ayan becomes the victim and eye witness. So Maya can be trapped. Ayan is much intelligent than Dusky. Go to Maa. Arrey is she a criminal lawyer to leave Vandana alone in that house. Does she need Ayan to tell, Maya lost her baby due to VM and VM is at risk. Whatever Dusky is going to be late. Just like she was late for Arya wedding. That day Ayan caused that delay which started the chain of events with shouting vm, today also Ayan became the cause of the delay as Dusky had to be in hospital for him.

Maya asked Ganesha a chance, Maya asked Maa Lakshmi to be with Arjun and what connects these two is what will change the story and will take Arjun's madness.

I am happy for one thing. CVs clarified one thing. Maya was not preggy first time. It looked so unrealistic for that sudden miscarriage and Maya lifting that idol. Is Arjun that much a duffer he doesnt know a woman who suffered miscarriage cannot lift an idol.

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