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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi



@Fernandes nobody expected Arjun to be a husband in the morgue. But yes it was expected to be a husband from him when he ran to dusky in the restaurant and drank with her, because his wife didnt allow him to drink. Yes it was expected him to be a husband when his wife burned her hands protecting his special friend and he hugged his friend, didnt look once at the burned hand of his wife. Yes it was expected him to be a father when after Maya's godhbarai instead of taking his so called special friend's hand he should have gone with his wife to protect his own child. Yes a pregnant woman needs her husband than his so called special friend. It is her right. Many times Arjun had denied Maya her right as her husband. I had told it many times. Any sane woman would have demanded divorce or walked out of the relation asking her husband to marry his so called special friend taking the blame of the broken relation on herself as obviously Duffer and Dusky will put it on the wife only telling she mis understood them.
Maya behaved in the extreme ways giving pain to them as that is her way as she believes in absolute control.

As a wife I can clearly say Duffer-Dusky friendship is toxic. A wife will not, cannot tolerate that interference. And if it is reverse a husband also will not tolerate that.


For once I agree with TM. Yes arjun has been at fault. He did lot of mistakes but in the ArYa relationship arjun share of faults at the most twenty percent and maya has eighty percent faults with addition of crimes. So TM is more focused on the 20 percent faults of arjun and holding arjun responsible for eight percent disaster that maya did. Isn't it unfair because arjun is also a human being. Every human being is accountable for their own actions so as maya.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@sandi in all critical moments in arjun mind only Maya come.when injected it was ayan and Maya. As I said ayan is light of duffer life and he admires Maya for her intellect, fighting spirit which attracted him to her. Dusky is his madness. In critical moments ur madness doesn't come to ur thoughts.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@sandi in all critical moments in arjun mind only Maya come.when injected it was ayan and Maya. As I said ayan is light of duffer life and he admires Maya for her intellect, fighting spirit which attracted him to her. Dusky is his madness. In critical moments ur madness doesn't come to ur thoughts.

thank is very true u are right.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: tanvismile


For once I agree with TM. Yes arjun has been at fault. He did lot of mistakes but in the ArYa relationship arjun share of faults at the most twenty percent and maya has eighty percent faults with addition of crimes. So TM is more focused on the 20 percent faults of arjun and holding arjun responsible for eight percent disaster that maya did. Isn't it unfair because arjun is also a human being. Every human being is accountable for their own actions so as maya.

atleast we are holding arjun 20 percent liable here on the show duffer is an innocent baby who never did any harm to no one.

not saying maya is right but we unlike others also want to see each character come down their pedestal and be shown the mirror as to their true reflection.

I thoroughly enjoy it when maya's haters on the show make mincemeat of her. its nice to see her being challenged and harassed. we want to see Maya seeing her true self, we want the same for saanhj and arjun. whats wrong with that?





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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sandiab

atleast we are holding arjun 20 percent liable here on the show duffer is an innocent baby who never did any harm to no one.


not saying maya is right but we unlike others also want to see each character come down their pedestal and be shown the mirror as to their true reflection.

I thoroughly enjoy it when maya's haters on the show make mincemeat of her. its nice to see her being challenged and harassed. we want to see Maya seeing her true self, we want the same for saanhj and arjun. whats wrong with that?





Ofcourse who denies that? But don't u think for the twenty percent of mistakes arjun and Saanjh have paid a bigger price. What else u want? The reason why people want maya s downfall is because she is committing crimes after crimes. Maya s crimes overshadow the mistakes of arjun saanjh. That's how they become innocent.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@tanvismile off course they have suffered a lot. no one denies that. they both have lost a parent each. Arjuns life has been ruined since he met Maya he lost his family, his child. i cant speak for any other fan bt i think that saanjh and arjun should be shown to be made aware that they have not been blameless and have contributed to making maya more mad then she already was.


quite frankly whether maya is depressed, a psychopath she is not a sane person and cant be judged by the normal rules that we would judge a normal person by.

and saanhj and arjun are not innocent in my eyes if anything the more crimes maya does the more i hold them responsible for not doing more to help her especially her initial crimes.

bt then i do think that saanhj should be the most sane of them all coz arjun is limited intellectually. bt she ended up being more crazy and stupid then he is.

Edited by sandiab - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
@sandi my point is also that. Maya was an emotionally disturbed person. She had lot of insecurities, yes you can call her mad, bad whatever you want. But duffer-dusky friendship did play a major role in instigating Maya towards the later crimes she committed. So for me also they are not innocent. They also needs to be shown the mirror.
There was scope for correcting Maya in season 1. Yes there was, but then that moment was lost. So what they have lost, they are also to some degree responsible for it.

Coming to the baby I will say Arjun is responsible for losing it to great extend than any woman whether Maya, dusky or VM. Maya had told him protect the child from my madness. So he knew Maya's madness, badness whatever you want to call it can harm child. She had to be kept happy. It was def not the time to make her understand his relation with his madness called Dusky. To understand that relation what you first need is a secure Maya who doesnt have a husband who runs at the beck and call of a special friend.
It was def not the time to send Maya with Ayan both of whom had a strained relation. He completely failed as a father in that instance.

If Jhanvi as a mother failed protecting the child Maya from Ashwin, Arjun as a father failed from protecting his unborn child from the madness of his wife.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sandiab

@tanvismile off course they have suffered a lot. no one denies that. they both have lost a parent each. Arjuns life has been ruined since he met Maya he lost his family, his child. i cant speak for any other fan bt i think that saanjh and arjun should be shown to be made aware that they have not been blameless and have contributed to making maya more mad then she already was.


quite frankly whether maya is depressed, a psychopath she is not a sane person and cant be judged by the normal rules that we would judge a normal person by.

and saanhj and arjun are not innocent in my eyes if anything the more crimes maya does the more i hold them responsible for not doing more to help her especially her initial crimes.

bt then i do think that saanhj should be the most sane of them all coz arjun is limited intellectually. bt she ended up being more crazy and stupid then he is.


Contribution to making maya more mad

There were instances of saanjh meeting arjun at the restaurant, the holi incident.In S1 it did look like maya got instigated by these acts and ended in breaking arjun saanjh relationship. But in S3 they revealed that the pregnancy was fake. The moment maya started fake pregnancy act which was right after she separated arjun from ayaan and vandana. Why did she do fake pregnancy? It's obvious that now she wanted to throw saanjh out of their lives. What did saanjh do? Nothing infact she was the one who stood by maya against vandana. She was even resigning the job but maya stooped her only to throw her out. The point here is maya doesn't do anything on instigation. Even saanjh was nice she had already decided to throw her out.

So obviously saanjh and arjun cannot be blamed to instigating maya.


Let's go overall arjun saanjh moments, in S1 there were few moments like restaurant one or holi one, maya threw saanjh out of their lives. For three years there was no saanjh. In S2 the only moment when arjun turned up to saanjh in moments of crisis. When samay killed prem and when samay wanted to kill shubh and saanjh so there he came for dusky. Then in S3 he went to meet saanjh so is it anything wrong? If he spends ten hours with maya and one hour to saanjh is it wrong? He went to saanjh because he knows somewhere saanjh went through this because of him and maya and since maya has taken treatment and recovered he wanted to lead a normal life.

So where is the friendship toxic? There were few instances in S1 other then that there is nothing they did which can be called toxic. Coming to hugging in certain communities hugging is common while in some it doesn't happen so commonly. If u saw pic of KT with theejay karanvir bohra s wife. She is hugging him so tight in the pic. That only if u watch tarak mehta ka ooltah chashma people in that community don't hug I mean female male. There is nothing wrong with that especially saanjh and arjun are childhood friends.


The reason for maya s pain is already her Obsession. When a normal person says I love u. It means I love u. When an obsessed person says I love u it means I own u. So maya wanted to own arjun and wanted to break saanjh arjun relationship which she couldn't do. That is reason for insecurity.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@shruthiravi, I don't think that Ayan has anything behind him, except that he is not normal not sane and not good. Suman played an excellent card - she shifted the focus. With Duffer's revenge and the thirst for retribution to VM's death in a completely different vein, VM constantly fought and saved Duffer, she died in this unequal battle, and now that everyone knows everything, Ayan leaves Duffer and allows Maya to win what will make death and war VM in vain. And Ayan in a flash of an offended avenger turns into Duffer's savior and even sacrifices himself in the name of Duffer, his salvation, his victory or Maya's defeat, which again leaves the opportunity thus to get revenge even to Maya
About the child, then in his death, primarily two are to blame - the first is Duffer, the second is Ayan
Maya in the hospital said she thinks she doesn't need to leave the hospital, that world will not understand her, but Duffer assures her that everything will be fine and drags her back to that so-called normal sane good world
And literally right away, the first person who doesn't understand is neither someone else, but Duffer himself, as always. And then Duffer only aggravates and aggravates the situation
The second main participant and the srarter of the whole process - Ayan. He is Duffer's life, if so, why did Ayan put Duffer's life at risk, and ultimately killed Duffer's life?
Obviously, if you frighten a pregnant girl, nothing good will happen. It is obvious that if you frighten a pregnant girl, it will end either badly or very badly or in general tragically, as in this case
Duffer in the hospital said that only their love can save the child. Duffer didn't love her, he knew it perfectly, he only pretended that he loved for the sake of the child, and his fake love was very bad, and he didn't have enough to pretend once a week that it was a little bit believable. So why the hell did he bring Maya back? It was much safer for her abd baby to stay in the psychiatric hospital, if Duffer hadn't brought Maya back, the child would have been alive. So maybe Duffer really didn't want a baby? He told this to Ganesha too. Dragging Maya home, Duffer exponentially increased the risk to the child and the likelihood that a tragedy will occur

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Posted: 8 years ago
Maya losing her child was an accident in my opinion
Ayaan threatened her - Yes but did he threaten her to an extent that could have been dangerous to the baby - No

Ayaan was trying to seek justice from a woman who had destroyed his life by blaming him for a crime he never committed

A woman who took away his brother from him

Then after Vandana got to know about Ayaan's accident , she wanted to go to the hospital but Maya stopped her and from there started the whole tussle and thus the accident happened

Arjun took Maya home from the mental hospital thinking that she has become fine now unaware of the fact that she never took a single medicine and never wanted to get well in the first place

These people are victims of Maya and not the other way round

Maya never really had genuine intentions to begin with

She devised a back up plan of ruining Arjun's life even before the wedding even happened and then continued with her plan of making Arjun look like a wife beater, a greedy man in the eyes' of the world and then gave her plan final touches while she was in the mental asylum

She went to the asylum not to get well but to give final touches to her master plan...She wrote the diary and even the doctor said that 'he has never seen such an intelligent woman in his life'

She always wanted to 'Control' Arjun...Her thinking was and still is 'control Love and when love starts controlling you then you destroy it'

Her love is not true love but has become an obsession in the wake of which she is destroying everyone

Arjun and Saanjh should have stayed in limits but this doesn't give Maya the right to murder people left , right and center.

It is the same case the a person A abuses B , so B slaps A and A in return stabs B to death...A's actions can't be justified in any manner whatsoever in my opinion

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