Dance of Time and Illusion ( Episode Analysis)Part 30updated DTNTPg131 - Page 99

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Darciny I hate hypocrisy and I make no bones out of it. For me Saanjh and Vandana are hypocrites. Maya is bad, I accept that. She needs to be punished I also accept that. But whatever Maya did doesnt lighten the wrongs these two women are doing in the name of we know it all.

You have to feel life, you have to feel pain to understand why certain people do certain things. Atleast one chance needs to be given to the person to explain themselves before making judgement. Even our judiciary gives that to the worst criminal. But VM didnt give it to Maya. She showed zero empathy to a girl who fell on her feet. Saanjh told she is Maya's friend, but didnt have the courtesy to tell a thank you to her when she protected her from fire, instead hugged her husband.

These 2 women say one thing and do another thing. They didnt get what they wanted, so they can also go beyhadh to get what they want. That is Arjun for Saanjh.

Maya is a criminal, but I am unable to hate her. I am simply unable to. I want her to be punished and I want that to happen at the earliest because she is a risk, a serious threat to herself and others. But she is a woman of situations, a child who lost her innocence at 9.

Once again I tell what Maya did if we get proofs can be punished under IPC. Indian Penal Code has provisions to punish her. But Vandana and Saanjh are doing, IPC cannot see, IPC cannot punish because that crime can only be felt not seen.

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Darciny I hate hypocrisy and I make no bones out of it. For me Saanjh and Vandana are hypocrites. Maya is bad, I accept that. She needs to be punished I also accept that. But whatever Maya did doesnt lighten the wrongs these two women are doing in the name of we know it all.

You have to feel life, you have to feel pain to understand why certain people do certain things. Atleast one chance needs to be given to the person to explain themselves before making judgement. Even our judiciary gives that to the worst criminal. But VM didnt give it to Maya. She showed zero empathy to a girl who fell on her feet. Saanjh told she is Maya's friend, but didnt have the courtesy to tell a thank you to her when she protected her from fire, instead hugged her husband.

These 2 women say one thing and do another thing. They didnt get what they wanted, so they can also go beyhadh to get what they want. That is Arjun for Saanjh.

Maya is a criminal, but I am unable to hate her. I am simply unable to. I want her to be punished and I want that to happen at the earliest because she is a risk, a serious threat to herself and others. But she is a woman of situations, a child who lost her innocence at 9.

Once again I tell what Maya did if we get proofs can be punished under IPC. Indian Penal Code has provisions to punish her. But Vandana and Saanjh are doing, IPC cannot see, IPC cannot punish because that crime can only be felt not seen.

Shruti, I used to comment on your threads a long while back, and then somewhere your views went on a completely different track, one I couldn't quite bring myself to identify with.

Nevertheless, you're entitled to your opinions, and I believe in "live and let live", so simply stopped responding on your threads.

Just responding this once because Darciny's question was something that I had too, but never bothered to ask, because the analysis you did reflected your lines of thought (the same what you've replied above)

I simply believe, you're holding Maya to a lesser standard because you've accepted her for what she is, and that makes you to see her actions in a more justifiable light.

On the contrary, you hold Vandana and Saanjh to far, far higher standards, and do not allow them the benefit of normal human mistakes. To feel the temptation of a mistake is human, but to not act on it, requires strength and mental fortitude, and that's where Saanjh's been reasonably good.

You believe that Maya would've changed if Vandana had accepted her begging at her feet- I'm not so sure, given her previous dialogues of "How does it matter" and Arjun has to live at my house only" when asked by Jhanvi about whether Arjun loved her. Maya's brain is wired in a way that sooner or later, she would've found VM and Ayaan troublesome (remember her reaction when Arjun said Ayaan is his "jaan"?), and would've found a way to separate Arjun from his family.

You mention Saanjh not thanking her for saving her, but didn't think about what Maya did to get Saanjh out of the way for the wedding, and Saanjh's actions after that (including buying honeymoon tickets out of her own money, and decorating the house for their arrival).

And they say, a first impression is a last impression- Vandana's first impression of Maya was the girl who broke the glass on seeing Arjun and Saanjh together.

There is no harm in empathising with that 9 year old little girl...but as @Darciny has pointed out why so much hate for Saanjh and Vandana..Although we all are allowed to have our own opinions.

@Darciny I dont keep Vandana and Saanjh at high standards, they themselves keep them at higher standard. So I judge them from the perspective of God. Saanjh goes and questions God. Why you did this to me, give orders to God, what is written for me give it to Maya. Now Vandana she tells Maya is bad and mad. On what basis, horoscope, what Ashwin told. What are the proofs she had when she made judgement and then did her actions. So when you behave I know all, you will be judged with the standard of judging God. Your actions has to be impeccable. You are not allowed human mistakes. To allow human mistakes you have to behave like humans. That's my take.

Originally posted by: anshvi

There is no harm in empathising with that 9 year old little girl...but as @Darciny has pointed out why so much hate for Saanjh and Vandana..Although we all are allowed to have our own opinions.

I just feel that Saanjh doesn't want to separate Maya and Arjun and want Arjun for herself...she thinks that Maya is a threat and wants to help Arjun out and she is going to the house to get proof of Ayaan's innocence.

She herself admitted to Samay that she can never forget Arjun but is TRYING to move on.

She never once has said that Arjun doesn't matter anymore or she had forgotten him.

Vandana also wants to save Ayaan and she thinks and has seen that Maya is dangerous and thus wants to take Arjun away from her.

Vandana's behaviour with Maya was shameful and no one can defend that.

But she openly admitted that she disliked Maya and didn't want her as her daughter in law.

Both Vandana and Saanjh have been pretty direct when it comes to confronting Maya...in my opinion they are not hypocrites.

Now they are playing a game with Maya and trying to beat her in her own game which is not going to be easy.

Maya also plays games...she becomes a victim in front of Arjun while behind him she plays her games.

One can also say that Maya is also hypocrite then in that case.

One should think from their prespective as well

Both have already suffered and paid for their mistakes...Vandana has lost his sons and Saanjh is engaged to an obsessed guy whom Maya had sent to keep Saanjh away from Arjun.

The show hasn't shown that Saanjh wants to destroy a married couple's life...she wants to save Ayaan and what everything she has seen so far she knows that Maya is dangerous.

Also I read that u had compared Maa Kali with Maya...I just feel that Maa Kali was the destroyer of evil forced and not sure how can she be compared with Maya coz Maya herself is commiting crimes.

I didn't get ur comparison at all.

It is great that u deeply analyise the show.

In my opinion analysis are always better if they include all perspectives rather than a single character's perspective.

In my opinion Maya is going to get more dark and her obsession for Arjun will increase and she is going to cross all limits.

Saanjh and Vandana will try to bring out the truth that Maya is ill and needs help and was responsible for Ashwin's death and for framing Ayaan.

Arjun is going to go away from her.

Samay coz of his recklessness will prove to be a hurdle for Maya...he is an obsessed man and his recklessness will pose a threat for Maya as he might try to harm Arjun...he will die at some point of the story.

And in the end it will be proven that excess of everythign is harmful even LOVE.

@sumz we only see the reactions, not the actions that leads to those reactions. That's why it is said act in any situation than react. When Arjun is touched Maya reacts and that is her Achilles heel. Act when he is touched. Just leave him and go. Which this woman cannot do as she is so insecure.

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Darciny I dont keep Vandana and Saanjh at high standards, they themselves keep them at higher standard. So I judge them from the perspective of God. Saanjh goes and questions God. Why you did this to me, give orders to God, what is written for me give it to Maya. Now Vandana she tells Maya is bad and mad. On what basis, horoscope, what Ashwin told. What are the proofs she had when she made judgement and then did her actions. So when you behave I know all, you will be judged with the standard of judging God. Your actions has to be impeccable. You are not allowed human mistakes. To allow human mistakes you have to behave like humans. That's my take.

Originally posted by: sumz_d

Maya killed Ashwin who was an angel?

Maya framed Ayaan who was doing aarti of Maya?

The thing is Maya only harms those who are not innocent. However in the future episodes Maya might as well go darker.

After the holi incident Saanjh shamelessly and openly confronts Maya and asked what was wrong that she danced with her husband. Not once Saanjh saw her own fault or felt anything wrong by doing that tamasha with Arjun who is Married man for crying out loud!

Not only that she had also called Arjun in a hotel to meet and made Arjun lie to Maya. Wasn't this also wrong?

Vandana mata had no empathy for Maya since the beginning even after all that good things that Maya did for her family. Instead to chose to believe a person like Ashwin.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This is karma's law.

What matters is who starts the action. Its both Saanjh and Vandana who had unnecessarily started doing "Wrong" actions out of which Maya reacted "Wrong"

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@sumz we only see the reactions, not the actions that leads to those reactions. That's why it is said act in any situation than react. When Arjun is touched Maya reacts and that is her Achilles heel. Act when he is touched. Just leave him and go. Which this woman cannot do as she is so insecure.

Originally posted by: anshvi

Completely disagree wid ur post !

The thing that Maya harm's those who are not innocent is absolutely not true !

Again as I said all perspectives should be considered

Maya tied drugged Arjun that was right ? Ayaan saw his brother in that state and Maya manipulated his vice...instigated him..Ayaan was wrong to use abusive words...but so was Maya infact she was more wrong in this situation...she framed Ayaan for a crime he did not commit and used Samay in the process...so saying that Ayaan was not innocent doesn't justify Maya's actions at all!

What she did is a punishable crime!

Also killing someone is a crime and cannot be justified.

Ashwin was a monster and there is no doubt about it...but I do not justify Maya killing him.

If it was self defence it could have been understood.

If we all think this way and start talking about karma then in that case we can all go on a killing spree...but it is the not the case...no one has the right to take anyone's life in my opinion...there is court for that matter and above there is God.

Also no one is saying that Vandana and Saanjh are white characters or Goddesses...they are human and they have paid for their mistakes too . I do not justify their wrong actions and same goes for Maya

I in not any case can justify her wrong actions !

And if every action has an equal reaction then what should happen to Maya?

Should Ayaan now frame her in a false case

Or Vandana should torture her

Or Jhanvi should kill Arjun coz she killed Ashwin.

Only one positive step was all that demanded in the past.