Osman Failed As A Father Today for Zain - Page 2

Originally posted by: SunShine_A

I don't think Osman has failed as a father. Yes, he is not an ideal father but not a failure either. Zain's doubt about Osman not trusting him is not out of his lack of trust on Osman but what Suraiyya has sown in Zain's mind.

A Failed father not a failed person, there's a difference. Suraiyyah may had planted a seed, but it's only growing coz of Osman's lack of attention towards his son. Zain believing Aliya comes first for Osman, speaks for itself.

Yep, Osman trusts Aaliya more not coz his son is not worth of his trust but coz Aaliya is one girl on whom Osman can rely completely that wherever he lacked in upbringing of zain Aaliya will fill that part and make Zain what he is capable off and how Osman wants his son or any father would want to see his son as while Suraiyya has sown in Zain's mind that only she is his well wisher n someone who trusts him n supports him when she hides wrong doings of Zain and in process now has made Zain believe that Aaliya has taken place in Osman's life with those few incidents which Zain can do but Suraiyya did in his place to show wrong of Zain in eyes of Osman.

Exactly, and I love the aspect that Osman truly believes Aliya and realizes that she represents to an extent the aspects where he failed in Zain's upbringing. Suraiyyah is conniving and i feel she is enjoying the father-son conflict, as if she always wanted to be closer to Zain and envied Osman for the bond Zain had with him. Now i don't know if that sounds far-fetched 😆 What Suraiyyah does is something Osman also did until Aliya was in the picture, let him off the hook for his mistakes, covered his faults. It's only with Aliya that he reprimands Zain, which is why Zain blames Aliya for having taken his place in his father's heart. And for letting Zain feel that even when he is right, his father wont believe him is where Osman has failed.

Regarding rebuke, I was glad that he didn't say anything infact just askd Zain to believe his decisions coz Zain was not in the state to earn another wrath from his dad, his frustration, anger regarding marriage made him do that and any further discussion would have just taken him farther.

I agree, I am also glad. But the next day? Not necessarily scold him, but atleast tell him it was not acceptable for him to drink. Zain felt guilty and Osman was satisfied with just that. See that's him as a father. This is what he has done all this while now with Zain and it is wrong. Zain has to be told that Drinking is wrong, not just the tamasha he created.

And 5 lakhs, well I found that really realistic coz even in real lives many of us gets reluctant or deny to visit relatives or our native places and Zain had gone there as a kid and since then witnessed n lived a different life about which Osman was well aware so bribed him into along with emotional challenging, which parents of many of us do as well.

Yeah you are right, but just coz we see it happening around us, just coz we see everybody doing it- doesn't make it right. That's my point.

There is understanding between the two and a space given by Osman to Zain where he tells him whats right and wrong and rest leaves on Zain. The freedom where both can share anything to each other. Have not seen marriage epis yet but what saw from pre bhopal epis and post marriage where he requests Zain to believe in his decision indicated same to me.

I like this aspect of Zain's personality. He makes his own decisions, forms his own opinions and acts on them. Bravo to the makers ! And it is something his father has helped him develop, by as you rightly state giving him that freedom. You are missing out on a treat, get to watching the marriage epi's soon ! hehe

It was nice talking to you :) 🤗

Originally posted by: ..DamonCrazy..

Firstly ARandKJ n you have same Avi's I get confused at the first look n this is the third time this has happened! 🤪 😆

Despite the fact that technically its supposed to be Zain above all for Usman, as portrayed by the show...he often falls short when trying to be Aliya's Mamu. It kind of makes me feel a tad bit restless. He got ZaYa married majorly because Zain was the one whom he could gurantee could keep ALIYA happy. Because he was HIS son. What about the other way around. He hadn't spent time with Aliya for ages, how could he take the guarantee that she could kep HIM happy?
Exactly ! I feel restless too, and today I felt like the final blow to write off Osman as a failed father, which is why the post.
I loved the way Usman supported Aliya in the whole shoplifting issue. Absolutely loved it. But I couldn't help thinking...when Aliya told Usman that Zain had locked her out, he didn't even have even that slightest doubt, that maybe, there was some sort of miscommunication, he just straight out believed that Zain did it. And I can't think that even today, had Aliya told Usman about the reporters saying that Zain had gotten the photos printed, he just might have believed her. Despite the fact that the situation would be the same as the shoplifting issue. And if I feel that way, something has made me feel so. The same way as Zain, who despite knowing he is innocent, was apprehensive of his father. Because somewhere he knew/thought that his father wasn't going to believe him.
My thoughts too
I would really love it more if he was there for both Zain & Aliya. Yes, he is Aliya's only support, but honestly speaking...he's the only one who is Zain's too. Every one of those three ladies don't give a damn about Zain, & Rizwan is obviously not someone he can go to for guidance 😆
Rightly pointed out ! I didn't think of this myself 😆

That is so true, which is why Aliya finds her strength through Osman, and Zain is left in a world of misunderstandings created by the conspiracy queens ! grrr
I do hope CVs fix this & make Usman be there for Zain too, rather than him turn up to only reprimand him on his mistakes. I loved that one scene, after the Walimah, all the tamasha, beizatti, Aliya par ilzam & everything else was ek taraf & his worry for his son was his priority. THAT was the Usman whose 'laal' is Zain.
I want them to fix this too, I want Osman to redeem himself as a father, I dont know if you have seen Humsafar and pardon me for bringing it in here, but Baseerat, Asher's father could never redeem himself, eventhough by then Asher Khirad had accepted each other into their lives, he constantly lived in that grief.
As for being a father, I wouldn't say he's a bad one. Yeah...he's done a fair share of spoilig but he's definitely taught Zain goodness & respect. Zain is lazy & immature & stubborn, but he doesn't flaunt his reaches, he isn't egoistic over them, he doesn't turn up his nose at the 'middle class' like his mother, he valued his Pups' love over maintaining his status & staying at a hotel, & he has never extended his enmity with Aliya to her family.

Osman is not a bad person, he is a good human being. A humble man. And Zain has these values from him definitely. Zain is a good-hearted family guy and I give full credit to Osman for this given how Suraiyyah is 😆

He became overtly drunk thay one time out of frustration, otherwise he seems to be just a party drinker guy, not one steeped in bad habits. Zain not being religious was just giving him the freedom to have his own beliefs. Not to mention that whatever he does is face first.

Even being a party drinker is something I wouldn't pass off as right. It's Haram as Aliya states, If Osman believes Aliya to be perfect, these are the small reasons.

Osman hasn't given Zain that freedom, If Zain grows up to believe another religion as the right one, and asks Osman to let him take this decision, would Osman smile and accept that? No. A father is supposed to instill these religious values, in his son. That's the duty and responsibility of a father. You know how in olden times of the Prophet, the Kid would be called by his father's name and the father would be called by his kids's name. For eg: Osman would be Abu Zain. And Zain would be Zain Ibn Osman. It represents the responsibility one has over the other's actions. If Zain does something wrong given Osman never told his son it was wrong, Osman would also be held accountable.

The wardrobe geela karna, Walimah, the saree...nothing that Zain has done, has he hidden from Aliya. He definitely got all this from his father. What Usman needs to do right now is not forget that TWO of his jigad ke tukres are going through a patch where they need proper guidance & trust. From the RIGHT person.

Absolutely agree with you here ! I hope we see Osman act on the same !

@bold- u stated it perfectly ! 👏

Originally posted by: Yuvika_15

the reason why he called his mum is becos he knows usman believes aliya immensely and will believe her when she says that only zain was aware of her blouse incident and narrates his chat with the photographer (which she didn't hear)... basically she'll narrate her side of the story which from her POV seems right but isn't actually the REAL truth...so he feared that as usual his dad would side his bhanji over his son becos he knows tht his dad feels aliya is perfect while zain has his flaws. I don't think its necessarily to do with being a failed father...if he is a failed father then suraiya is also a failed mother... but I feel on the whole they could have definitely been better parents to their kids... I feel he isn't the perfect father figure but is definitely NOT a failed father...

Originally posted by: MsfairyCindreLa

I did notice that , he as a father should have done so many things..
Fab post

Originally posted by: AnotherAdmirer

The fact that the sense of Right gets stamped by the Sense of Belief Osman has on Aliya, speaks for itself.

Suraiyyah is a failed mother, she has been portrayed such, there are no two ways about it.

I said Osman failed as a father to Zain today, to me he was never a good father. It's not necessary that Zain has to do something morally wrong to have me say Osman Failed as a father, The accusation Aliya hurled at Zain is Severe and Offensive. And Zain's bold denial to not having done such a thing was amazing. Yet when it came to his father his strength stammered, while Aliya had this Strength, that she was not wrong, that she would speak to Osman about it.

They haven't been good parents, and maybe i feel a little more for Zain, which is why I cant be as kind to Osman as you are being :)

Originally posted by: mazkachazka

this i think might be correct ,but zain calling his mum is I think cause of the fact zain thinks he's not in the good eyes of his dad atm,courtesy -his walima act..otherwise I think he is quite close to usman,we could see they bonded over the beach..and had a one to one talk..

Originally posted by: SunShine_A

@AnotherAdmirer: I meant failure as a father only and not as a person :) We were analysing his responsibilities as a father only... Lol We all are missing a point here, we talk about Osman believing Aaliya over Zain but he has reason, he has seen growing both of them. He was in constant touch with Aaliya what we saw in 1st few epis, he knows what kind of nature and temperament both posesses and Zain is capable of doing all that he was wrongly accused, he didn't do was another thing and Usman knows this while Aaliya is simple, shy person who would try her best to adjust so I guess thats the reason why Aaliya has Usman's trust even more than Zain but that doesn't mean Usman don't trust Zain coz had that been then he would hv receivd a huge thrashing for waleema scene but Usman understood and his faith in Zain made him just discuss the marriage than discussing the mess done by Zain coz he trusts that it won't be repeated by Zain again and Zain is missing this point like many of us coz he only see Usman beliving Aaliya but gradually he would understand the reason behind.

Ohh I think I messed up coz some pointed that Zain is a good-hearted family fellow, but we are speaking about responsibilities as you rightly state 😛

You are right and it Hit me now !! You know being a father and a mamu are two very different things. But If Osman has been chatting weekly with Aliya, what else has he been doing with Zain? 7 years in london !

@Bold: Do you really believe that Zain would let such pics of Aliya be publicized? Remember him standing up for Aliya, telling Zeeshan family that they made her cry. That was like they had done a crime. If Zain had been a person who would do such a thing, he would have never bothered to save Aliya's respect. I don't think Zain is capable of doing such a thing. I feel Osman sees that hope which he has for ZaYa.. in Aliya. Ofcourse at the end of the day ZaYa are made for each other :)

I think your are right about Osman showing that faith in Zain about not repeating the same again. But Zain didn't feel it. If he had felt it, he would trust his father to not believe he would do such a thing. That he had not broken his father's faith. Why does Zain believe his father won't keep firm the faith he showered on him in the talk at the beach? Certainly Osman has failed somewhere.

Zain was ashamed, but that's our conscience which tells us when we are wrong, if we are not reprimanded for the same, how do we grasp what we have done in it's entirety. That's something that has happened in the past, in the past he was off the hook, which is what led him to do certain things now, from which he doesn't get to walk off.

Zain might have married for Usman but he doesn't want to keep relations with Aaliya while Aaliya too married for family but she wants her marriage to work coz of her family n Usman and this difference is well known by Usman so I feel its really wrong to equate places of both since both have different actions. Earlier Zain was just an individual with no responsibilities but now he has Aaliya and his every action has a reaction on them, both have to face the brunt of Zain's action, hence Usman has got stern with his mistakes now. Transformation was bound to come but Zain don't want to acknowledge coz marriage was against his will and he doesn't like these changes around now as he is not prepared hence blames Aaliya for having taken his place. Wasn't making child realise the mistake the only thing parents aim by scolding or talking? And Zain was already guilt striken which means he knew what he did is wrong and it means that it wouldn't be repeated so what more Usman would have done??

And besides Zain looks like a ocassional drinker which is his way of living under the freedom given by Usman. Yea, its haram as per Islam but I guess as kids grow up they form a different opinion and outlook about everything they were taught as kid and Zain too is one of the same bunch but that doesn't make Usman a failure as a father. Zain basically represents youth of today with their own flaws and qualities and yes Usman is somewhere responsible in making Zain what he is but we cannot term Usman as someone who failed to fulfill his duties as a father.

I think a lot matters. It is the parent's job to show the right path to their kids, then it's on the child whether he listens or not as he grows up but Osman never bothered to reprimand Zain, only with Aliya he does..which is now. And in a way it makes Zain feel less important. He feels Aliya is more important to his father, which only fuels his hate towards her.

Alot depends on how and what a child grasps. As we grow our ideologies change and parents cannot force kids into following what they were taught in tender age. Some people don't believe in religion and its teachings but thats an individual's own prespective. It doesn't mean child was not inculcated with them.

Abdullah family, forget Zain look at Fahad, look at Suraiyyah, look at the daughter-in-laws. I don't see a family that has been raised in Islam Or A family that is raising their grandkids with those religious values.

And bribing, I don't know coz I don't find it wrong, his reluctance was coz he had gone as a kid and knows noone now and how would adjust and he had opportunity of going on foreign tour with his friends so it was natural for Zain to opt for latter, human tendency, all these makes Zain human and real. If Zain had lived in hotel as instructed by his mom or would have moved out giving the money then that would have been defeat of Usman in bringing up Zain but he lived with people there like one of them. Not for a second flaunted his status or thought them to be less. Once he was in Bhopal, he was Bhopal person.
He loves his father, and respects his father. Zain is a good son. I am questioning Osman. He had to give his son a monetary incentive to attend a family wedding. To me no matter how today's world that maybe it is the mark of a father who failed to imbibe certain values in his son.

I know and I'm planning to catch soon just waiting for my hectic schedule to losen up a bit. Same here :D its good to see smart n debatable posts...

It was fun interacting with you and you have left me with a lot to think about and revisit Zain and Osman :) Thank You ! 😳