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Posted: 11 years ago
The argument that VKabra should have privately reprimanded his rapist brother while allowing the destruction of the rape victim is beyond belief and acceptance for me.
to argue that a lawyer portrayed as honest and human -- the reason Sa wanted him to fight her case though he went against her previously-- should have deliberately allowed a rape victim to be destroyed, shakes me to the core.
To say that that would have been realistic baffles me.. Why should TV soaps, that are otherwise rarely realistic, suddenly become realistic only in the matter of showing the destruction of a rape victim? What message would that convey? That even the most honest and humane lawyer, when it comes to a rapist sibling, should turn weak and condone a rape?
In the case of Saanchi, it is being argued that her being raped is not enough punishment for her -- and that she should not even be allowed a chance at redemption. Yet at the same time, sympathy is being expressed for the rapist's mother.

For God's sake, the woman did not even say what Sau did was horrific, she did not for a moment regret his crime; all she wanted was to protect him. I could have felt a measure of sympathy if she cursed her own upbringing of the child, if she quarrelled with him for what he did and then if she had broken down in tears unable to see him being put away. Here the mother expressed no remorse, watched on while her rapist son slandered the rape victim and said he did no mistake in wanting to enjoy her for a bit. How can anyone sympathise with this lady


TV soaps are not always 100 % unrealistic . They are never black and white . They r grey . And strike a chord with viewers coz they identify with the life shown . In the case of Balika Vadhu nothing shown was unreal hence it became a hit . Child marraiges do happen . The abuse by Dadisa in the early stages at BH does very much happen . Children exercising their own choices by outgrowing what is fed to them does happen . Marital rape does happen . And date rape too does happen . So why so much shock if some viewers expect a realistic ending to a realistic issue ?

Anandi never complained to legal authorities about the elders doing a child marraige ...why ? She was not protecting Jagya only but the family as a whole . Especially the elders . One statement from her and they would have all gone behind bars , including her own parents . I have often criticised her double standards , but i understand where she is coming from . It was her FAMILY and thats the way people react . There was realism there . In this very BV there is loads of realism . So ...why should not we expect it in a situation where a family member has done a crime and giving him up or not is in a family member's hands ? What is so shocking about this expectation ?

We see it every where . Every time Shiv's sister is questioned , there is military like deference and respect to her by policemen with Shiv the Collector looking on and Ira complaining that arrests for faking suicide or questioning is an atrocity meted out to her daughter and that it should be waived aside . Why ? Is she special ? Is police questioning done by treading on eggshells and with this fright , with constant apologies and one eye on the Collector fearing their jobs ? It is profuse realism there right , others do not get this treatment . So when BV shows abundant realism in many things , why not in a throbbing realistic current issue and if some expect it whats so terrible .

I don't think anyone in this thread said that being raped is not enough for Saanchi . I think everyone likeminded said that rape should not obliterate her other evil deeds . Neither should her redemption if it indeed comes . Uptill now her redemption has not even been discussed , so don't know where this deduction is coming from . Clearly i have always said that even women murderers do not deserve rape . But should rape cancel out their crimes ? No . Should their redemption lessen their punishments ? No. Why look at it only karmically ? I am not . Just karmic pumishment is not enough for her . She has escaped legal punishment and i strongly object to her being absolved from it coz she is the daughter of a family in the system , the sister of a Collector , the nanand of a social worker who wants to keep her position in her marital life intact . BV protects Saanchi and i as a viewer object .

And why should shock and disbelief be expressed at empathising with Suman Kabra?
Whats so terrible about that ? When shock and disbelief is not expressed at the sympathy shown to a girl planning an infant's death , why this ? What is Suman Kabra's fault that her son tried to be oversmart and go too far ? Is it in her control ? Had she encouraged rape ? Told him its ok to disrespect a woman ? No , she believed that he would NEVER do it , what does this tell of her sanskaars ? That for her it was not even feasible . She was as taken aback as the rest , but being a mother could not bear to see her son being sent to jail and wrecking his LIFE , so she was TORN . And this human dilemma is shocking ?

What i find disturbing is that a mother's upbringing is naturally cited as the cause for a grown up child's crime . While upbringing IS a part of the child's mental make up , the child's genetic framework sometimes overrides the upbringing . This same Suman Kabra brought up Vivek too who is honesty personified . And there was no other lady like CM in the house to claim the credit . Vivek Kabra clearly told that whatever good values i learnt i learnt from u to both his parents . And Suman Kabra is not worth sympathy coz she is bad Saurabh's mother and Saanchi is worth sympathy coz she is Shiv's sister and recently she was raped ?

Suman Kabra did not plan an infant's death and brought up a wonderful son like Vivek Kabra . Her private thoughts on this issue r not known as she too had barely time to digest all that happened and in a jiffy before she could even swallow it , her son was taken away .

I always feel for the criminal's family who do their best but are shamed in society forever for the child's genetic make up , for no fault of their own . Jeffrey Dahmer is a classic case , his father was a good man who had a doctorate in studies but his son was a genetic mutant . The sufferings of these parents is beyond comprehension .

So if that is disturbing to some , so be it . Suman Kabra is as much a victim in all of this as dear not at fault Saanchi who is now all set for redemption .


Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Jagya's superfast redemption with too little punishment

Disagree . Too little punishment ? He was flogged till there was no life left in him .



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Posted: 11 years ago
@kools
I can understand Suman Kabra believing her son can't ever commit rape. If she had cried saying I don't believe you did this, I would have empathised.
But she watched without saying a word when the son himself confessed to doing it and followed it up by angrily asking what was so wrong if he "enjoyed" himself a little with her.
The horror of what he said shocked the elder brother but it had zilch effect on the mother and father who looked on as if it was junior's right to do as he pleased with any girl. Their anger was at the elder son for not letting the younger brother get away with "enjoying" himself. The plain meaning of their anger was: So what if he raped a girl? So what if he thought he was enjoying himself? You should have protected him.
If you think such a mother deserves sympathy, it is fine by me.
By the same token, let us not blame Ira for the way Sa has turned out. Let us not say Sa's parents spoilt her rotten. Because the same parents brought up Shiv too. The Shiv-Sa equation is exactly the exactly the same as golden boy VK and satanic Sau.
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Posted: 11 years ago


rohini


i clearly , very clearly said , the way a child turns out is partly upbringing and partly genes that are in no one's control . I simply knew it that Ira 's spoiling of Saanchi will be justified .

We don't really know the Kabra story so we don't know anything of Suman's upbringing . But plenty has been shown in BV about the faulty upbringing of the Shekhars especially Ira . Saanchi is a case of natural sociopathic tendencies AND faulty upbringing , there is enough proof for that .

I don't think any of his parents relished his deeds at all . They r trying to save face thats it . Their turmoil is very real .

Shiv Saanchi equation cannot be compared at all to VK and Saurabh . VK punished him in a jiffy and Shiv's wife sits on all nanand's deeds while Shiv stands chup chaap in front of Ira . Neither has he left his family and moved out but preferred to stay there and be the ostrich who buries his head in the sand .

Saurabh may be satanic but Saanchi was EQUALLY satanic . Its a sad story of a sociopath being raped . Yet i refuse to use the karmic argument .



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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: rohini55

@kools

I can understand Suman Kabra believing her son can't ever commit rape. If she had cried saying I don't believe you did this, I would have empathised.


But she watched without saying a word when the son himself confessed to doing it and followed it up by angrily asking what was so wrongif he "enjoyed" himself a little with her.


The horror of what he said shocked the elder brother but it had zilch effect on the mother and father wholooked on as if it was junior's right to do as he pleasedwith any girl. Their anger was at the elder son for not lettingthe younger brother get away with "enjoying" himself. The plain meaning of their anger was: So what if he raped a girl? So what if he thought he was enjoying himself? You should have protected him.


If you think such a mother deserves sympathy,it is fine by me.


By the same token, let us not blame Ira for the way Sa has turned out. Let us not say Sa's parents spoilt her rotten. Because the same parents brought up Shiv too. The Shiv-Sa equation is exactly the exactly the same as golden boy VK and satanic Sau.



Wonderfully articulated. Too add to it, Anandi's not jailing the Singhs cannot be compared with shielding a rape. The Singhs did something (child marriage) which fitted into the context of their society, and not with the intention of wronging somebody or ruining their life. Plus, "deserting a wife" can be forgiven, but "rape" cannot. The two can't be compared in any Universe, by any standards.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tellygeek

Sidra - I don't mean to say that Sanchi deserves a chance because Jagya did, also I don't intend to compare Jagya and Sanchi, it was just my response to many comparisons being already made between them. They are two different individuals with their own share of unique mistakes.


i did not mean to you i am responding to all those who sitting punching him to give a chance to Sanchi I don't understand why their comparison is done and why she deserves a chance on basis of him ?This is very confusing to me thats why i wrote
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Posted: 11 years ago
ha ha! J is flogged to death and what does he do? Gets up and gets married for the third time!
The same bhabhi, who is accused of standing by Sa, testified against her in Jagya-Sa case, thereby saving J --a man who committed awful sins towards her and who wanted to destroy her. She went to the extent of saying J can never be disrespectful towards women -- after all that he had done to her.
And shiv brought Payal as soon as he figured out the truth. This act wasn't quite as dramatic as A's testimony in favour of J or VK's turning into a prosecution lawyer, but Shiv has always stood by the truth -- though lately being reduced to a cardboard cutout.
Edited by rohini55 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
LOL if Anandi supported him she also knew she is alive because of him so no need to laugh because same man did awesome good deeds to Anandi madam too 😆
and here we go again he is being punched he married third time Murder him to satisfy the vendetta He got too little punishment Wow remove his skin , sprinkle salt on it for not accepting my Balika Vadhu is my goddess I should be with her forever or Gauri did so noble act should do her aarti The logics are giving me good laugh🤣How far we will go in vendetta

and Jagya was never inhuman Amenisa drama and railway ghotala are not equal to killing unborn child mercilessly His redemption was not abrupt Abrupt was his butchering to show mahanta of Anandi and Shiv😆Redemption is far more acceptable than that
Edited by sidra08 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000



r<font color="#0000ff">ohini</font>


<font color="#0000ff">i clearly , very clearly said , the way a child turns out is partly upbringing and partly genes that are in no one's control . I simply knew it that Ira 's spoiling of Saanchi will be justified .</font>

<font color="#0000ff">We don't really know the Kabra story so we don't know anything of Suman's upbringing . But plenty has been shown in BV about the faulty upbringing of the Shekhars especially Ira . Saanchi is a case of natural sociopathic tendencies AND faulty upbringing , there is enough proof for that .</font>

<font color="#0000ff">I don't think any of his parents relished his deeds at all . They r trying to save face thats it . Their turmoil is very real .</font>

<font color="#0000ff">Shiv Saanchi equation cannot be compared at all to VK and Saurabh . VK punished him in a jiffy and Shiv's wife sits on all nanand's deeds while Shiv stands chup chaap in front of Ira . Neither has he left his family and moved out but preferred to stay there and be the ostrich who buries his head in the sand .</font>

<font color="#0000ff">Saurabh may be satanic but Saanchi was EQUALLY satanic . Its a sad story of a sociopath being raped . Yet i refuse to use the karmic argument .</font>





Why should he have moved out? Didn't get that part. And he did go against Sanchi when he got the hint that she was lying. He was the one who got Payal in the court.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Umm ...he would have to move out if he enraged dear Ira . He hides from Ira all his sister's black deeds including that she brings guys to her bedroom and gives Ira exactly the answers she wants to hear . Not once did he stand up for his wife who was forbidden to meet her family and say ENOUGH , i am moving out , i will support Saanchi as a brother but the atrocity to my wife i will not bear .

This hiding process is going on for quite some time .

And why does Anandi hiding child marraige be justified coz it was in the 'context of their society ' . Rajasthan police swiftly arrest those indulging in that practice . Even dowry was a part of hindu tradition in marraige . There are LAWS against it too . All that rules in India is what is legally acceptable , not what can be conveniently construed as falling in the context of society .

Anandi kept quiet

not bcoz she was afraid

not coz she did not know that child marraige was wrong

but simply as she was attached emotionally to both families . And emotional attachment is universal and independent of any issue .

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