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Awfulggt

@Awfulggt

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1151

Originally posted by: Missesha
To be completely honest, I did not have a strong objection when Anandi did not file a case against J or Ds or even Gauri. At that point Anandi was going through the lowest point in her life. She was completely fragile and her world had shattered.

At that point it was more important that Anandi regained her confidence and pick up her life , instead of punishing J and Ds. And she picked her life very well with help of available support. No credits denied.

The point is though if A can be understood for her weaknesses and applauded for her strengths in adverse situations why not Mangala, who anyways accepts her limitations?

@bold - That is exactly the point. Whatever A did was perfect and after having lost her child all by herself, she can be a role model . While the other person who recused that child and is continuing to protect her is a grey role?

Like shinya said, that statement mangala said about kamili bearing up with Akhi can be overlooked mainly because the goal was to give protection to Pushkar and this seems to be the only way possible as of now. She was stressing on the protection part .

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rohini55

@rohini55

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#1152

Missesha

"That is why it has already been concluded earlier that Anandi spares criminals who are her own but leaves no stone unturned to punish outsiders.

She is not righteous in her principles. Hence Pooja was spared Nidhi wasn't."

Exactly. well said

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rohini55

@rohini55

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#1153

Alchemist, Missesha, Shinya

Anandi's fragile state -- both after J dumped her and post Shiv's death and the loss of Nandini -- can be understood. No quarrels with that.

It requires superhuman effort to show courage in such circumstances -- and Anandi allowed herself to be persuaded that she was in a weakened state.

I don't think there was a single person on this forum who did not stand with Anandi both these times.

But what is being questioned here is the double standard: the constant holding up of Anandi as a role model and putting down of Mangala as a symbol of cowardice and weakness.

Look at what Mangala went through. Anandi was dumped by her first husband. Family held her in their palms. She lost her second husband and her child. Both families again offered her solace and support. This state of dependence continued for 11 years.

Mangala's husband was killed by his brother and her property seized by force. She is illiterate and lives in a society where widows are treated like dirt.She has NO support at all.

Why is her far more difficult situation not being appreciated? And the fact that despite her own cursed, shattered life she has given nothing but love and good values to the little girl who came in to her life?

Edited by rohini55 - 10 years ago

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anshurg5

@anshurg5

Sparkler

Posted: 10 years ago

#1154

To be completely honest, I did not have a strong objection when Anandi did not file a case against J or Ds or even Gauri. At that point Anandi was going through the lowest point in her life. She was completely fragile and her world had shattered.

At that point it was more important that Anandi regained her confidence and pick up her life , instead of punishing J and Ds. And she picked her life very well with help of available support. No credits denied.

The point is though if A can be understood for her weaknesses and applauded for her strengths in adverse situations why not Mangala, who anyways accepts her limitations?

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Exactly ,why not Mangla get praise where she deserves?

Anandi and Mangla both have a good heart, full of compassion for other, trying to help ppl who are in need of it . With this both of them have weaknesses , Anandi her own , Mangla her own which are mostly because of her marginalized status even in her own house, lack of education which is necessary for widen the vision and also lack of money which is essential to survive in this world.

If we can understand Anandi's weaknesses and do not judge her on the basis those , why we can not do the same with Mangla? Why her good work does not count and why her small faults ( perhaps not according to her own perspective) are blown up to the extent that she is declared a grey lady only fulfilling her selfish motives?

She is doing her best in her limited capacity and means.

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anshurg5

@anshurg5

Sparkler

Posted: 10 years ago

#1155

Y/day Mangla made it clear that she does not want Nandini always serving as maid in Akhiraj's house or sharing Kundan with Urmi of which she is repeatedly accused of .

She wanted a good beend and choka sasra for Nandini. ⭐️

This is the reason that she wanted Nandini's first marriage to became dysfunctional. In villages perhaps they do not know about the laws for annulling a marriage.

Kamli's first husband left her without annulment or divorce and her parents got her married again. Similarly Mangla may want a good person for Nandini when she will be of age.

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At the age of 12 Nandini may be able to fight for herself and find a way for better life but it was not same during the past 11 years. Nandini is alive and is taken care of by Mangla during all these years. She did all she was allowed to do and tried to fill the emotional vacuum as much as she could. So it is not fair to say that M only saved N's life for once , she has continuously done good for the girl from years.

Now Nandini has Kamli and Urmi to support her but it was only Mangla in the past.

New friends can not lessened the value of old faithful friend.

She may get more powerful friends in future but it can not minimize the value of the old weak support she had in the times of her need.

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1156

Nandini herself told how she bears the beatings and all the other punishments.She told Mangala how she is able to minimise the damage that all that beatings starvings and being locked up.Nobody taught her those survival skills.She taught herself all those skills.

If Mangala was around she spoke up otherwise she learnt way to survive. All the girl's achievements and positive points are attributed to Mangala lot of times.

There has been constant harping about how that girl can be so cheerful despite all the harsh punishments and beatings.Did anyone teach her that? She found ways to be happy despite the darkness she is surrounded by. That will not be appreciated.The girl's spirit will not be appreciated.

That girl is rescued by Akheraj's sword once but the rest of the times at times it was Mangala and at times that Chagini and sometimes when Kamili got out of her self absorbed mode and saw what is happening it was Kamili too.

Also the fact that Akheraj and Harki didn't want anything to do with that girl and didn't want to accept that girl as their bahu has protected from Kundan.

Did Mangala's Devi avatar do anything good on a permanent basis? Most of the time Akheraj and his wife quiver and tremble for a while and they go back to what they are doing. Kundan is not even scared of that Devi act except that he finds it weird.

Her Devi act and Akheraj's need to find a bride for that Kundan together saved that little girl.

The girl is alive not just because of Mangala but Akheraj and Harki's beliefs about dosh in Kundan's horoscope.

Everyone has wronged that little girl.

Her mother's mistake was respnobsible for Akheraj's sword falling on that baby

Mangala herself along with Akheraj and Harki are responsible for the kind of life that girl is leading.

Even if we disregard those punishments since everyone in that household get punished in the same way the psychological unseen wounds that girl bears because of feeling abandonment the three of them are responsible.

Akheraj and Harki for snatching that baby from her mother and Mangala to a lesser extent allowing her to think that she is dumped in the garbage bin.

It is not just Anandi who has to pay the price but the three of them from Kundan's family also have to pay the price for this.

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Awfulggt

@Awfulggt

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#1157

"Apart from Anandi , Akhi and harki, Mangala too paying a price for the mistakes she did towards the girl " -- is a joke!

Anyway let mangala get paid for the good things she did right from saving the orphan to protecting her throughout. Then she can pay for that lie she told. It seems to me that the good things she did weighs much much more than that lie .

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

Trailblazer

+ 4

Posted: 10 years ago

#1158

Pooja was spared Nidhi is not spared

Pooja comes from socially and economically disadvantaged family a child of a single mother who has been abandoned by her husband and his family.

Nidhi comes from a socially and economically privileged family. If Anandi kicks her out her parents can find any posh school for her unlike Pooja's mother.

That should be a valid enough reason.

She took back Nidhi after she saw her mother's reaction to her consuming alcohol. She told Anandi that she is making a big fuss just because Nidhi took a peg or two.Her daughter boozing is no big deal for her. That is the reason why Anandi took her back.

Nidhi if she is sent back with her mother she will sink deeper into alcholism and if Pooja is punished for both Mannu and Pooja did what message will be there in that?

As for Anandi playing with dolls from the time period between 13-18 blame it on Dsa who extracted a promise from that girl that she will never think of education and will never ever touch books again. She stuck to that promise.

If Anandi's wings are clipped in the name of tradition and because of misplaced beliefs of women's place in society and at home why is she being ridiculed for that?

What Dsa did to Anandi during childhood in the name of tradition and what Dsa and Daddu did to Anandi in their concern for her post Nandini's kidnap and what Mangala did to Kamili in the name safety of Pushkar are no different.

They all clipped the wings.

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Same Anandi who spares outsiders stood up in the court and spoke against Sanchi and in Panchayat stood up for that worker's family against Basant

Same Anandi made sure that Anop got punished for his unlwaful activities.

As for Jagya's case she never gave cleanchit for her firts husband when the lawyer questioned her about all the things that Jagya had done to her she said he has done all that.

Edited by aparnauma - 10 years ago

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Missesha

@Missesha

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 10 years ago

#1159

Originally posted by: The_Alchemist.
"Apart from Anandi , Akhi and harki, Mangala too paying a price for the mistakes she did towards the girl " -- is a joke!

Anyway let mangala get paid for the good things she did right from saving the orphan to protecting her throughout. Then she can pay for that lie she told. It seems to me that the good things she did weighs much much more than that lie .

Upon knowing the reality, if Nandini gets in a position to understand her mother, then Mangala is far from even being questioned.

What will she question Mangala anyway - 'Why did you keep me alive?'

Edited by Missesha - 10 years ago

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anshurg5

@anshurg5

Sparkler

Posted: 10 years ago

#1160

Dadisa clipped Anandi's wings in the childhood is understandable but if DSa and Daddu could clip wings of an empowered woman who was working for the empowerment of other women, was telling them to stand up against their own family when they were wrong then it is not understandable.

Mangla advising kamli to return Jhalra for the safety of Pushker and her own was not clipping Kamli's wings . She advised that because threat for Kamli and Pushker's life was real. She wanted them safe and alive . For spreading her wings Kamli needs to be alive. A dead Kamli can never do that.

To forward one's motive , sometimes one has to take few steps back.

And Mangla did not force Kamli to do as she said. She explained her POV and Kamli saw her welfare in that thus was ready to return with her.

When Anandi returned Jaitser there was no threat to her or Shivam's life . There were many ppl including DC and her own Bhaili teams member who were more than willing to help her but she chose to fulfill DSa and Daddu's wish instead of asking them to have faith in her.

By the time of Shiv's death Anandi was well established in Udaipur and had developed her own network.

But when JataShankar died Kamli has no knowledge of working of his network , neither she knew any of his ppl. JataShanker died due to conspiracy of his own brother and driver. Toh how can Kamli know to whom she can trust or with whom she should be alert.

For now Jhalra looks a better place for her and her husband. Let us see what is in store for her in future. Will she become docile or will get strength by Gopal' memories and stand up against Akhiraj. Only then we can decide that Mangla advise clipped her wings or gave her new wings.

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