Was Collectorsaab correct to throw the 1st punch?

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AnjanaYYZ

@AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 13 years ago

Shivraj Shekar is a man of principles... he even parks the jeep to take calls. He carries his resignation letter in his pocket, so nobody can improperly pressurize him. He is not only principled, he strong and intelligent. He saw through Heth Singh's ploys on his own and was smart enough to call the police before going to stop Jyoti's bal vivah.

1. But, was it correct for him to throw those extra punches in the name of Anandi's family honor and the kids to the grooms dad?

2. And was it proper for him to throw the first punch at Jug's taunts?

Yes there mitigating facts in both circumstances. The groom's father tried to blow out Anandi's brains, had his men beat Shiv, and was clearly engaged in illegal conduct. But, prior to the slaps - Shiv clearly had things under control and police were on route. As for the brawl with Jug - J was clearly going to hit the sabziwala, he taunted Shiv, was holding his collar, and outright drunk.

And yet both these incidents trouble me because Shiv represents the law, but he himself is not above the law! That's the job of the police (to arrest) and courts (to determine guilt and punish wrongdoer). Drama and viewer satisfaction in seeing him defend Anandi and Jug's beating aside...did the Creatives diminish Shiv's character through these acts?

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Payal

@payalibm

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Posted: 13 years ago

as per law...indian law...it gives you right to protect yourself ... even with arms if necessary and you have the lisence and is all legal and evn after using arms one ahs to imediately inform the near by police ke arms ahs been used... so that while the case start it can be a big point in a favour...

nwo shiv punching pighead...this thing was in mind since the 1st day they shoed promo...i was like why so rash sudenly...not good...how can he jsut punch him...like that...butt hen i saw the entire scene...so confusion went by...

for me yes shiv holds law...and respect but 1st he respect himself...and as a man if soem one do this then it cant be bear...and speacially man like shiv who are quit one and holds respect for evry one and even after warning yet not listning and then he is about to being insulted...i dont think it would have done good for him as he would then be never able to respect himself...for me the man who cant protect his respect can never protect other respect as well...so 1st he is a man...and no man will tolerate what pighead did and that too publicly and that too in drunkerd stage...

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dixie123

@dixie123

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Posted: 13 years ago

I don't think Shiv's character has got diminished bcos of these two incidents.I agree there was no need for him to slap the groom's dad. That was just a filmy drama created to make the whole scene more powerful. Also, maybe he was angry that 'his' Anandi was hurt ! I think with Jags, I think it was ok bcos he is a Govt officer and Jag was talking disrespectfully to him and also held his collar first before Shiv punched him.

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AnjanaYYZ

@AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 13 years ago

Dixie - one fact that bothers me in both instances is that he didn't even introduce himself... How was the groom's dad and jag supposed to know he is govt representative? As I think Shiv himself told Anandi, its not like its written on his forehead?

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madhubala.fan

@madhubala.fan

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ
Shivraj Shekar is a man of principles... he even parks the jeep to take calls. He carries his resignation letter in his pocket, so nobody can improperly pressurize him. He is not only principled, he strong and intelligent. He saw through Heth Singh's ploys on his own and was smart enough to call the police before going to stop Jyoti's bal vivah.

1. But, was it correct for him to throw those extra punches in the name of Anandi's family honor and the kids to the grooms dad?

2. And was it proper for him to throw the first punch at Jug's taunts?

Yes there mitigating facts in both circumstances. The groom's father tried to blow out Anandi's brains, had his men beat Shiv, and was clearly engaged in illegal conduct. But, prior to the slaps - Shiv clearly had things under control and police were on route. As for the brawl with Jug - J was clearly going to hit the sabziwala, he taunted Shiv, was holding his collar, and outright drunk.

And yet both these incidents trouble me because Shiv represents the law, but he himself is not above the law! That's the job of the police (to arrest) and courts (to determine guilt and punish wrongdoer). Drama and viewer satisfaction in seeing him defend Anandi and Jug's beating aside...did the Creatives diminish Shiv's character through these acts?

yes and no. i think shiv was justified to beat teh goons up. teh police had yet not arrieved and meanwhile those thugs cud have doen soem real damage.

also shiv is a human , a male with raging testosterons. jagiya help his collar and started berating him. its ok if it was only ONE punch but beyond that i won agree to it.

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Rumjhum Laha

@Patrarekha

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Posted: 13 years ago

after police reached shiv punched that groom's dad becoz he humiliated anandi and her family an they means a lot for him

and jagiya insulted shiv and shiv knew that jagiya is drunk and not in sense..and understood that latho k bhoot baton se nhi mante

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Nach_Baliye

@Nach_Baliye

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Posted: 13 years ago

Someone else on this forum had explained the first aspect very well. In that situation, had Shiv not slapped the guy on the groom's side, he could have indicated to his men to hit Shiv or get violent. Since Shiv started hitting him badly the guy was on the floor and didn't get a chance to gesticulate to his men to hit Shiv or Anandi and her family. In that case, Shiv's slapping as justified. Of course the CVs added that in to make Anandi realize that Shiv cares about respect and all that, hence his striking out.

Regarding slapping Jagya, Jagya was about to hit the vegetable vendor even though the vendor spoke to him very respectfully, Jagya deserved a tight slap across his face especially since instead of regretting he defended his actions saying that he will do whatever he wants.

I remember a situation when I went to India. 2-3 young guys were driving a car, they hit a guy driving a bicycle. The bicycle man was poor. The guys got out of the car and blamed the man for coming in their way, they slapped the man. I was so horrified, I cannot forget that incident. The poor man's bicycle was broken, he probably could not even afford to fix it, these young guys on top of that slapped him and the poor man just took it because he was scared. My heart still breaks remembering that. I didn't do anything because I was the only woman there and wasn't sure how the guys would react if I stepped in. I was disgusted.

If I imagine Jagya in that situation being the car guy, he was behaving in a similar manner with the vegetable vendor, he deserves not one but several slaps across his face for his behavior and dadagiri. Shiv has probably met many such people, he spoke with a lot of respect to Jagya. He said "aap" while Jagya kept saying "tu" and then Jagya was the first one to get violent with Shiv. Shiv did the right thing by slapping Jagya. To him, Jagya was one of the many guys he has seen hit innocent people.

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

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Posted: 13 years ago

Agree that Collectorsaab shouldn't go around throwing punches.

But in both instances we have seen he was not the aggressor.

In Jyothi's wedding case the groom's family used physical violence on Anandi and her family.If he had not reached in time it would have turned really nasty.It is needed to show the groom'sfamily that not only them who are capable of resorting to violence but others are also capable of physical violence if necessary.Groom's family obviously does not respect law they bow down only to people who are bigger bullies than them.

In vegetable vendors' instance also he stepped in when Jagya resorted to physical violence.It was required to bring Jagya under control.

I think in both these instances he was not reacting as a collector but as a man who stood up for other peoples rights and to protect other people.

In both these instances physical violence was used by the aggressor.In such scenarios I don't think he wrong to use his physical strength to protect others.

It would have been bad if he introduced himself as collector then started throwing punches.That is like he is using the power that his post has given him.