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Posted: 13 years ago
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Well said Antara👏 whn Anandi was accepting everything silently, she was a doormat, and now whn she started standing for herself and going against the decision made by other on her behalf, wothout asking her, she became irrational, undiciplined, blunt, uncultured, unmannered with no respect to the elder etc😆😆😆 Why to understand the psychology, insecurity of a positive character, this is reserved only for negative characters positive characters r made to be criticized for every small things😉 whn they dont react, they r over mahan, whn they react, they r irrational and ill mannered😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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thank u Antara...i completely agree with you..

in some of the posts i felt they were very much chauvinist type of posts..people r angry with anandi why she has said NO to shiv...i did not understand why she has to agree for marrying shiv immediately? just bcoz he is good with her and he supported her and she has no other option right now? anandi still not in love with shiv..so from her POV i think she is absolutely right!


also, people r saying she is ill mannered, she is disgusting!! well, when she was silent..and she behaved nicely with gauri, she took care of gauri..she became mahan and spineless...when she said sorry to DS for not her fault..she became wrong! and now when she is screaming @ DS and shiv..she became ill mannered and again she is wrong...why and how? can't she be angry? can't she show her anger to anyone? she has to behave perfectly all the time!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo


#6.And yes gauri decided when to use anandi for her own benefit ... but I disagree that anandi had no say or was just a puppet being guided by gauri the puppet master ... anandi was under no compulsion to play into gauri's hands... the family never forced her to do so, and gauri had no power to force her -- anandi did it willingly. Nobody stopped anandi from taking a dignified approach and distancing herself from gauri or gauri's tantrums. It was anandi's own lack of self-respect that made her actively decide to play into gauri's hands. ... so here too, it was anandi's decision
# 7. Same as above -- anandi wilfully decided to put herself in a situation where Jagat could misuse her... by repeatedly calling him, repeatedly poking that giant nose of hers into his and gauri's life... who asked her to do that? even his own family was not getting involved with J-G and they never put any force on her to interact with Jagat... If anandi, knowing fully well what his character was, still decided to go ahead with interacting with jagat ... then it was anandi's own decision to be at the receiving end of jagat's nastiness. Once again a dignified approach of keeping her distance was completely in her hands but she chose to ignore it and BASED ON HER OWN DECISION decided to enter into a relationship with cheater husband jagat.
#8. The villagers did not decide she should be sarpanch, they expressed a desire that she should be sarpanch based on her abilities and work she had done to date . BUT THE DECISION TO STAND FOR ELECTIONS WAS HERS AND HERS ALONE -- one she made in response to a challenge from heth singh who came into her living room and told her not to enter elections.
Anandi participated in an election of her own volition.
The way you are representing it is as if she was coerced by the villagers into accepting the sarpanch position against her will. This is not correct. Even if the villagers suggested it, IT WAS ANANDI'S DECISION to go through with it.
#9 Badi masi did not decide that Anandi should be jagya's beendhni ... Badi masi was under the impression that anandi is already Jagya's beendhni ... she had no idea about gauri being in the picture ... and yes dadisa requested anandi to play the role ... but once again, if anandi really really wanted to, she could have refused... IT WAS ANANDI'S DECISION to play the role of jagya's beendhni for badi maasis benefit ... now one may argue that what choice did she have? If she wants to stay at the haveli, she has to go through this trauma... but anandi does have choices if she feels it is humiliating ... she can leave the haveli and say "no i dont want to play the role of jagya's beendhni, tell her the truth that jagya has left me" ... but she didnt exercise this option and instead chose to go in line with dadisa's request ... that still makes it ANANDI'S OWN DECISION
# 10. Dadisa decided that anandi should get a divorce ... now this I dont understand ...
if you see this as not anandi's decision because dadisa initiated the divorce (and not anandi herself) , does it mean that it was anandi's own decision to remain forever married to jagya carrying the tag of his legal abandoned wife? Is that what anandi would have chosen/decided for herself? 🤢🤢 . If anandi had problems with this divorce, she could have protested then and there and fought with the singhs to remain married to jagya (just like she is fighting not to marry shiv)... so i feel that even if dadisa decided on a divorce, the decision to file for it and sign on the papers was anandi's OWN DECISION. It was not forced upon her by dadisa ... there was no way anybody can forcefully take her hand and move it over the paper to have her signature ... she could have taken a stand that she only wants to remain married to jagya regardless of whether there is any life in the relationship or not... so the divorce too, regardless of who initiated it was her own decision.


@ bold - Yes Anandi had the choice to choose over in every situation that was stated above. Whatever the reasons were, Anandi was shown as a slightly meek person with low self esteem(esp when it is related to her love life), before she entered into politics.

She chose to let Gauri play her tantrums..and for that she lost even that thin line of friendship she had with Jagya.

She let Jagya run over her..and for that she was insulted left and right and was blamed for their baby's loss.

She decide to stand in elections and she had her share of applauds along with troubles in it.

She decided to act as Jagya's wife and she herself rubbed salt into her wounds thinking that she is making BM live happier in the limited time period she has in her account!!

And the best decision of hers was to divorce Jagya, which will probably free her in every way.

She had always put others before her while making these decisions. And that's precisely why she has so many people around her thinking of her welfare! This(re-marriage) was the only decision she took keeping herself in the picture ! Ofcourse this also includes Ashi's love for Shiv...but that is not the sole reason for this rejection..though that could be the reason for her stern behavior with Shiv. Else she would have started dreaming of Shiv the moment Ashi called her up and withdrew herself from this love triangle.

At the end of the day, it's the choices we make that lead us to the present situation whatever it is ,whether it is the case of Anandi, Gauri or Jagya!! In A's case , since her graph is going up, i believe she made not-so-bad choices if not the best!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: woman11

There have been multiple threads on Anandi's rejection of Shiv. Some have called her outright insane and stupid, while some others label her as showing arrogance and too much attitude. My point is why won't we let Anandi make decisions about her own life for once. Till now she has never got to make decisions for herself on her own, everybody else thought it was their right to decide about Anandi's life:

1. Her own parents married her off at a tender age of 8 and sent her off to a stranger's house. She was not in a state to take a decision.
2. Dadisa decided about her life from now on, including how she should behave, what she should do, whether she should continue her studies or not, whether she should be thrown out of home or not. Anandi had no say.
3. Bhairon made a decision that she should be sent away to her parents place during their adolescence. Again Anandi had no say.
4. After growing up, Jagya single handledly decided to end their marriage. Again, Anandi was not consulted.
5. Bhairon decided Anandi should become a doctor. Anandi's own ambition was not asked, till she herself spoke up.
6. Gauri decided to dictate Anandi that she should not become a doctor. Gauri also claimed the right to single handedly decide when to abuse Anandi, when to act friendly, and when to use her for her own nautanki with Jagat. Anandi did not ask for any of it
7. Jagat also singlehandedly decided when he wanted to be friends with Anandi and when to abuse her. Again, Anandi was not consulted.
8. The villagers decided that she should be the sarpanch.
9. Badi massi decided that Anandi should be Jagya's beendni and dadisa requested so.
10. Dadisa decided that Anandi should get divorce.
11. Dadisa decided that Anandi should get married.
12. Dadisa and Shiv decided about the marriage deal, Anandi was not involved.

Throughout her life, only other people have made decisions on her behalf. Whether those were for Anandi's good or were to damage Anandi is pointless. The point is she has never had a chance to decide how she wants to live her own life. PERIOD. This is the first time she has put her foot down and claimed her right over her own life. And unlike Gauri and Jagat's decisions about their own lives, her decision does not involve breaking a marriage or ruining the life of another person in a commitment (though Shiv is involved, his life will be minimally affected by Anandi's decision; nor is Anandi in a commitment with Shiv).

So let it be. Let her decide what she wants to do---whether she wants to remain single, or get into a relationship, or marry some other guy, or become a homosexual----that's her decision. It's her life, let her live it her way for once. PERIOD. And let it be a lesson for us viewers how to respect a person's personal decisions and space in the real world too.





it hink the main reason of her outburst is she is fed up of being a bechari ad being controlled by all others for the rest of her life.
she is otherwise veryy much impressed by shiv.
as for her reactions ... well who r we to decide what is an ideal reaction , i mean it is ok for us to watch an episode and then ponder over it and type it down but at that instant how a human being reacts is not up for judgement. 100 people will react in 100 different ways. hat ds matter is intention.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

Woman11 -- I agree that Points # 1-4 were decisions that were forced upon anandi...

with the rest of your points I am in severe disagreement ... I believe that at each and every point after #5 from #5-9 -- anandi had the choice to decide what she wanted to do ... but still willingly fell in line with dadisa's decisions -- which means that in effect, it WAS her decision to take that action... she had choices but the choice she chose was the one in alignment with dadisa's or bhairon's.
#5 -- yes bhairon wanted to make anandi a doctor and did not ask her permission -- but anandi went along with the doctor idea not because she was being forced into it -- but because she herself had no crystal clear idea what she wanted to do with her life. The day the thought crystallized in her mind that she wanted to do social service, she told bapusa -- so I feel that even if bapusa asked her prior to that crystallization -- she would willingly have gone ahead with the doctor idea because she had no orientation of her own. Its not like she was nursing a secret ambition to be a social worker which bapusa over-rode.
#6 -- gauri decided to dictate to anandi that she should not become a doctor -- gauri did not dictate anything of the sort -- all she told anandi was "mai jaanti hoo tum doctor kyun banna chahti ho -- jagat ko paane ke liye" -- she was just telling anandi dont think that even if you become a doctor you will get jagat back -- she was not telling anandi not to become a doctor -- and even if gauri said something to anandi -- that cannot be translated into saying that gauri was imposing her own decision on to anandi. Gauri had no such power.
And yes gauri decided when to use anandi for her own benefit ... but I disagree that anandi had no say or was just a puppet being guided by gauri the puppet master ... anandi was under no compulsion to play into gauri's hands... the family never forced her to do so, and gauri had no power to force her -- anandi did it willingly. Nobody stopped anandi from taking a dignified approach and distancing herself from gauri or gauri's tantrums. It was anandi's own lack of self-respect that made her actively decide to play into gauri's hands. ... so here too, it was anandi's decision
# 7. Same as above -- anandi wilfully decided to put herself in a situation where Jagat could misuse her... by repeatedly calling him, repeatedly poking that giant nose of hers into his and gauri's life... who asked her to do that? even his own family was not getting involved with J-G and they never put any force on her to interact with Jagat... If anandi, knowing fully well what his character was, still decided to go ahead with interacting with jagat ... then it was anandi's own decision to be at the receiving end of jagat's nastiness. Once again a dignified approach of keeping her distance was completely in her hands but she chose to ignore it and BASED ON HER OWN DECISION decided to enter into a relationship with cheater husband jagat.
#8. The villagers did not decide she should be sarpanch, they expressed a desire that she should be sarpanch based on her abilities and work she had done to date . BUT THE DECISION TO STAND FOR ELECTIONS WAS HERS AND HERS ALONE -- one she made in response to a challenge from heth singh who came into her living room and told her not to enter elections.
Anandi participated in an election of her own volition.
The way you are representing it is as if she was coerced by the villagers into accepting the sarpanch position against her will. This is not correct. Even if the villagers suggested it, IT WAS ANANDI'S DECISION to go through with it.
#9 Badi masi did not decide that Anandi should be jagya's beendhni ... Badi masi was under the impression that anandi is already Jagya's beendhni ... she had no idea about gauri being in the picture ... and yes dadisa requested anandi to play the role ... but once again, if anandi really really wanted to, she could have refused... IT WAS ANANDI'S DECISION to play the role of jagya's beendhni for badi maasis benefit ... now one may argue that what choice did she have? If she wants to stay at the haveli, she has to go through this trauma... but anandi does have choices if she feels it is humiliating ... she can leave the haveli and say "no i dont want to play the role of jagya's beendhni, tell her the truth that jagya has left me" ... but she didnt exercise this option and instead chose to go in line with dadisa's request ... that still makes it ANANDI'S OWN DECISION
# 10. Dadisa decided that anandi should get a divorce ... now this I dont understand ...
if you see this as not anandi's decision because dadisa initiated the divorce (and not anandi herself) , does it mean that it was anandi's own decision to remain forever married to jagya carrying the tag of his legal abandoned wife? Is that what anandi would have chosen/decided for herself? 🤢🤢 . If anandi had problems with this divorce, she could have protested then and there and fought with the singhs to remain married to jagya (just like she is fighting not to marry shiv)... so i feel that even if dadisa decided on a divorce, the decision to file for it and sign on the papers was anandi's OWN DECISION. It was not forced upon her by dadisa ... there was no way anybody can forcefully take her hand and move it over the paper to have her signature ... she could have taken a stand that she only wants to remain married to jagya regardless of whether there is any life in the relationship or not... so the divorce too, regardless of who initiated it was her own decision.
# 11. Yes, dadisa decided that anandi should get married -- not anandi's own decision -- but dadisa was not going to force it on anandi -- she couldnt. infact , she was going to finesse it over with time, and if ashi had not been a catalyst in early revelation -- she would have discussed it with anandi in a two-way fashion, taking into account all of anandi's doubts and fears.
#12. shiv and dadisa did not broker a deal about her marriage -- they were only in preliminary talks -- and neither one had taken anandi's yes for granted -- both knew that she had to be prepared for it and consulted first -- they were only sorting out their own sides first, their own ducks needed to be in a row before consulting anandi. Eventually, it would have been anandi's own decision -- shiv would not have forced himself on her or abducted her and forced her to marry him at gunpoint -- and dadisa and bhairon too would not have forced shiv on her --
I am all for anandi deciding for herself about her remarriage to shiv or the future course of her career -- but to portray anandi as a person who has been oppressed and forced into several situations where her own voice has been snuffed out is not correct. She HAS made her own decisions after reaching adulthood. They may not be choices you or I would make (e.g. interacting with gauri on a repeated basis etc.) but all those were choices anandi would make. Now the fact that the outcome of those choices (e.g. jagat dumping her yet again, gauri insulting her) were less than desirable does not take away from the fact that they were her choices.
If someone is insulting me , and I keep on saying "I have no choice, I have no choice" and listen to the insults then that is ridiculous -- ofcourse I have a choice -- to remove myself from the situation.

excellent post. i am amazed just how correct two opposing view points could be. such is human mind and its capacity. i can see what u mean and even though in soem parts im not in agreement but overall a very informative post as far as real life is concerned. points worth keeping in mind for anyone.
i think basicaly 99% people are good y heart. all that differs is the way they percieve things.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thank you Antara , very well written post.

I have decided to IGNORE the posts that absolutely make no sense to me , and seem inhumane

I honestly Love this forum so I am not going to let Anandi bashing get into my head. This is not the first time that a positive character is bashed cause she has sneezed at the wrong time

blargh!! what ever!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

woman11, to add on to my previous post,

what I am trying to say is that even if the decisions she eventually made were not those that flowed out from within her organically, as her own ideas ... but instead originated from outside of her by dadisa/bhairon et. al ... anandi did find resonance with these ideas of others, which is why she CONSCIOUSLY adopted them as her own.
The resonance with them is what made them her own decision.
It is not that she had one set of ideas and then wilfully chose a second set of ideas to please others by snuffing out her own personality.



tinoo,
When I said Anandi did not get to make her own decisions, I did not mean that Anandi was forced to do things. What I meant is throughout her life everybody else thought they have a right to dictate/suggest/request/appeal/force Anandi to fall into their decisions.

It's almost like this, your parents dream of you becoming a CEO, your grandmom wants you to marry early, your brother advises you not to go out alone at night, your friends want you to join their drinking spree, your husband excepts you to be home before him, your colleagues request you to cover for them even when you have important things to do, your in laws decide how you should mold yourself according to the rules of the family, your children demand your attention and then decide that you must go to the old age home.

You might acquiesce to all of the above mentioned things. But that does not mean you have made your own decisions. You have just lived a life where you only saw it through others eyes. You have never had your own vision of your own life. It is something that we were talking about in my other thread about Anandi meeting herself. Sometimes you have to make decisions about your life just for your sake. For Anandi, either the choice was not available or she never learned how to think for herself nor did she learn how to put her foot down when people stepped into her personal boundaries.

I see her doing that now, and I want to applaud that.




Edited by woman11 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks Antara - I am still in shock that someone people think Anandi deserves/wants/likes/enjoys abuse because she had nerve to tell Shiv off! 🤣 By that logic Gandhi must have been copacetic with British Rule😳 Even better Anandi has no right to speak up now because she didn't before🤔 Nevermind that she might have been too shocked too young too hurt too gracious... she's is being a total hypocrite now - the nerve of her - how dare she overreact... Shiv is not khane ki khichdi, he's an innocent bystander!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo




Woman11 -- I agree that Points # 1-4 were decisions that were forced upon anandi...

with the rest of your points I am in severe disagreement ... I believe that at each and every point after #5 from #5-9 -- anandi had the choice to decide what she wanted to do ... but still willingly fell in line with dadisa's decisions -- which means that in effect, it WAS her decision to take that action... she had choices but the choice she chose was the one in alignment with dadisa's or bhairon's.


I am all for anandi deciding for herself about her remarriage to shiv or the future course of her career -- but to portray anandi as a person who has been oppressed and forced into several situations where her own voice has been snuffed out is not correct. She HAS made her own decisions after reaching adulthood. They may not be choices you or I would make (e.g. interacting with gauri on a repeated basis etc.) but all those were choices anandi would make. Now the fact that the outcome of those choices (e.g. jagat dumping her yet again, gauri insulting her) were less than desirable does not take away from the fact that they were her choices.
If someone is insulting me , and I keep on saying "I have no choice, I have no choice" and listen to the insults then that is ridiculous -- ofcourse I have a choice -- to remove myself from the situation.




tinoo the point is not that Anandi was forced. The point is whether you have made choices in your life based on your own will and only for your own sake. I agree with you that Anandi was not forced to make certain choices, but the fact remains that she acquiesced to many decisions that others took for her and led a life that was shaped by others. The question of snuffing out her voice is pointless, because she was not trained to form a voice of her own in the first place.

Training children to form their own opinions is part of good parenting---my parents would do it by purposefully not telling me what to do in some difficult situations. I remember that when put to such test I would beg them to tell me what I should do, since that was the easy way out of a dilemma, but they would remind me that sometimes I needed to make my own decisions and push me to make my own choice. It sounds torturous apparently, but it is a very important life skill that is learned by training. For Anandi that training was missing completely. At every step of her life she had someone showing her the road signs or a GPS to tell her whether to turn left or right. And there were road bumps like Jagat and Gauri which would only make her ride bumpy.

Now you will ask why didn't Anandi ignore the road signs, or turn off the GPS or take a less bumpy road. The answer is because she was never given a road without these, nor was she trained that it was possible. For that she needed to learn driving where her instructor told her to make her own choices completely on her own, to drive on her own without road signs, to drive without a GPS and learn from the wrong turns herself and to assure her that a road bump does not mean you compromise with it and drive slow, there are smoother roads elsewhere. She just didn't have that training, and she had a very faulty driving lesson.

And this is for the first time Anandi seems to have purposefully ignored the bright road signs, thrown away her GPS and avoided the bumps altogether. And I want to applaud that her training has finally began.




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