unconditional love vs. doormat

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Posted: 13 years ago
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We see in anandi unconditional love for her 'parivar' and for jagat. We interpret it as doormat behaviour .
But if she were to base her love on their behaviour (particularly dadisa and jagat) then her love would be conditional.
I think unconditional love is a beautiful thing -- but where to draw the line between being an unconditional lover and a doormat?
And if she retalliated and were a conditional lover, would that be such a bad thing?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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tinoo...a thought provoking post once again!i like ur threads a lot.very meaningful!i feel that defining a borderline between the two is quintessential!when ur love goes to such an extent that the person u love begins to toy with ur self respect,retalliation is needed!u need to arm yourself with potential to fight the circumstances and not escape using unconditional love as ur defence mechanism to console urself that i have not been cheated or defeated,its just that my love didnt suffice!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Love for one's family and close friends remains unconditional until something so jarring happens one starts to wonder whether this love is just one sided.

Love needs reciprocity and when enough times one gets beaten down, love will get exhausted enough to atleast demand an introspection. Now - here is the crux - soem of us have a high tolerance and some abysmally low.

Anandi seems to have very high tolerance and also a very forgiving nature that allows her to forget past put downs and betrayals by DS and J very easily. Now, we all know that to forgive and forget is a wonderful quality , but I also think that the lessons from such incidents shud never be forgotten.

Some of us, learn to recognize that some people in certain situations have to be dealt with in a case by case basis. Others keep on running in the same spinning wheel !
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Conditions apply 2 business,NOT 2 life!

Even a true business man who has a fore thought does never lose relations (he may lose one/two transactions).

If u can't love unconditionally (whether u like it or not) u r liable 2 loss!,as TRUE LOVE is always unconditional!

Anandi kept her relations alive with all,including J(who still respects her) putting aside a loss in a transaction(betrayal by J) @ the cost of which, haveli stood by her side with life long commitment,which was possible by unconditional love of A 2wards all.

It is JG who had taken their relationship as a business those require documents n all 2 keep their relationship alive.

btw,apart 4m drawing lines it is always better if v concentrate on suggesting a way out 2 the needy...

Edited by sreevask - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I dunno how many of you saw Rakt Sambandh, but in that serial, the love Sandhya had for Neeraj was unconditional. When she found out that he originally loved her and was cheated from her, she started loving him. And after her marriage, even when she caught Neeraj in seemingly compromising situations w/ another woman who was trying to steal him - against his wishes, she chose not to believe what she apparently saw. When he tried explaining to her, she told him that she trusts him completely and there was nothing to explain. Later, she went on to threaten to expose the other woman. Further down the serial, when Neeraj did have doubts about her motives due to one of her ex-in-laws contriving a situation where she'd be unforgiving, she was hurt, but at the end of the serial, when everything was exposed, she readily forgave him on the grounds that he acted b'cos of a whole bunch of misunderstandings that had been contrived by her enemies. Those who have seen that serial would understand what I mean.

I do think conditional love is not bad at all. Unconditional love is fine, as long as the recipient is deserving. This doesn't mean that the recipient has to be a complete joru-ka-gulam, he just has to respect his marriage, love his wife, and only doubt her when evidence strongly points that way. On her part, she can continue to love him if he's resenting her under a misunderstanding, such as Prem & Simar. The problem in this serial is not that Jagya dislikes Anandi b'cos of a perceived wrongdoing on her part, which would be forgivable. The problem is that Jagya is totally characterless and thought nothing about ruining her reputation. Had he first divorced her and then married Gauri, he'd have been fine. Even after all the legal opposition he got, had he quietly called Anandi and asked her to sign divorce papers, then too he'd have been fine.

Had Jagya misbehaved w/ Anandi for reasons like suspecting her of some sort of wrongdoing, I'd not have held it against her. But he knew she was good, and just chose to cheat on her b'cos he felt like it, and despite that, she loves him. That's why I think she's a loser.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks all.
I have only heard of unconditional love in the context of parenting...
and basically unconditional means no conditions/no strings and nothing the child has to do to earn parent's love.
Conditional love is saying I need you to say/do/behave differently if you are to have love from me.
Unconditional love is saying - you are perfect the way you are - even with all your faults and you can be just as you are and still have my love. You dont need to jump through hoops nor do you need to do something differently.
In the context of a marriage, I am curious to see how this would play out in terms of anandi and jagya.
Anandi is indeed displaying unconditional love because she accepts jagya the way he is with all his character defects and lies.
If she were to say "he has to do/say/behave differently or else he doesn't have access to my love" then that would once again make it conditional wouldnt it?
People who flow in unconditional love are actually masters of their spirit because they have full control of their own happiness. They have full mastery of their happiness and dont need to be dependent or rely on the behaviour of others for their happiness. Even if people behave a certain way, they still maintain their happiness quotient. Even if people do bad to them, they dont bother, because once again they are in the driver's seat of their happiness. It is when we put conditions on love that we become unhappy because if someone doesn't behave in the way we want them to or reciprocate what we do, then we become sad. So ultimately we are then puppets on others strings.
So, is anandi an evolved spirit who does not rely on jagya for her happiness? or is she a doormat? 😆😆
That is what i am struggling with.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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A's love is uncoditional ... but she is not doormat simply coz, she does help financially by transfering his father's money to him, but didn't let him keep the gift she gave him years back (that sun glass) .. they way she took it from his hand spoke volumes about this ... comming to financial help, it is his dad's money .. she is just being a channel nothing else, she does feel disturbed on hearing his voice ... coz she loves him ... she wished the doll on his B day ... didn't call him.. if she was a door mat she would have called him n begged (first) later screemed, shooted etc ... to possess him back, but she always maintaines a distance from him after knowing that he loves someone else ... she didn't file case on him, though she states family n all that ..it also coz she can't still hate him ...

Moving on dosn't mean letting some one else take ur lovers place... but accepting the fact n still being composed by n large.. (ppl still have emotional Break down, but they know when, where n how to control it).. A shows her emotional traum with her frnd not infrount of G or J ...
Only prob with her is this social service n all ...which is not going to get her anywhere I hope she studies n show that guy.. that it was he who wasn't worth her.
Edited by mybro_2004 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Tinoo

There is nothing to struggle w/. Had Anandi been an evolved spirit, she'd have been happy through all these weeks - ever since Jagat married Gauri. But that's not what she was doing - she's been silently crying and dwelling on her plight. Yet, she won't stop doing stupid things like offering to eat his jutan thali, informing him about G's pregnancy, getting his dad to fund him, etc. Had she been evolved, she'd have done all that, but been happy every step of the way on the assumption that he was happy. If she loves him in the way that is being described, a good litmus test for it would be her being happy whenever she thinks that he is happy, and her being sad whenever she thinks that he is sad.

But that's not what it was all these weeks, and that's not what it's going to be when she finds out about the pregnancy. Why should she be crying when telling Jagya the news? And if it does hurt, why would she be the one to tell him? This unconditional love thing is just not adding up - if it was there, Anandi would have been happy at all the turns of events.

Therefore, her behavior is totally doormat behavior.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Why she calls n i nformed him... ? we still donot know how the turn of events would be ... maybe J called her ( he know no one else from haveli will talk to him) to know wht happened ... this is just a promo.
Obviously she is upset .. yes she is upset every time the truth that HER love is with some one else now comes infront of her... its natural in any case, but she has the energy to hide it ...
Please don't except someone to be happy in her situation... she has accepted that he dosn't love her (coz she is sensible), but that fact still hurts her (coz she is human)
Edited by mybro_2004 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear tinoo,

U r missing a gr8 thing in true love(which is obviously un conditional),
Won't u try 2 correct the friends when they're going wrong/doing a mistake knowingly/unknowingly ?
SEEMS U WILL LEAVE THEM THINKING THAT IT'S THEIR PERSONAL ISSUE.
Eventhough they cd not ask/personally discuss it is our responsibility to protect them,as they r our strength.
Similar wd b the case with our partner,and even much more than that as the person is our lifelong mate.
Just as we try to take precautionary measures to protect our children from spoiling,we must excercise prudence to keep our lifelong assets(partner,and friends) without conditions.
Anandi failed to take such precautionary measures & faced the pain.

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