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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: redapple1

It doesn't matter who loves whom and why... As it stands now Gowri will be labeled as mistress if she continues to stay with Jagya. She has to wait till he gets officially divorced and then pursue her love life with him. There was one case here where the legal wife sued the lover girl for stealing her husband. You will be surprised, she actually won the case and the jury decided the lover girl to pay 9 million dollars.So it doesn't matter how progressive the society is,there is no place in the society for being the other woman. So girls don't waste your time pursuing a married man. You deserve better than this.

edited: Oops it was not 10 million, but 9 million dollars. The wife didn't sue her own husband but sued the other woman. 😕
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/23/earlyshow/main6325299.shtml

but wht these kangla illegal couple will pay, who married by selling ashirwad locket, wearing Ms udhar ka and beginning money for study from those who dosnt matter for thm . 😆 😆 😆 to this couple even advocate will be provided from government free of cost on special request, or he will ask it to Anandi, pls Anandi tumne hamesha meri madad ki hai, advocate ke liye bhi paisa de do na. Ab wakil ke bina to main nihattha ho jaunga aur nihatthe people war karna achchhi baat nahin hai. 😆
Edited by ankit111 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Does Gauri loves Jagya!...hmmm.

Well yes she did and no she doesnt.

she used to love him when she does everything that made him happy. I mean...when they were in Mumbai everything jagya said stands. the moving in, the fake marriage, the money problem she had to pay for...etc.

Now she is jsut trying to deal with her past problems...maybe she still loves Jagya but her mission to be accepted and be loved...to have a normal relationship has over shadows the personal love she has for Jagya.

Come to think of it she doesnt even really know who jagya is yet...so she loves Jagat not Jagya.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: ankit111

but wht these kangla illegal couple will pay, who married by selling ashirwad locket, wearing Ms udhar ka and beginning money for study from those who dosnt matter for thm . 😆 😆 😆 to this couple even advocate will be provided from government free of cost on special request, or he will ask it to Anandi, pls Anandi tumne hamesha meri madad ki hai, advocate ke liye bhi paisa de do na. Ab wakil ke bina to main nihattha ho jaunga aur nihatthe people war karna achchhi baat nahin hai. 😆


Yeah these kangal couple can't give anything.. 😆 So no point in sueing them. The point I was trying to make was when you live in a society you have to abide by the laws. Jagya was yapping he doesn't care what society thinks or what the law says. Society does matter, that explains why Casey who was acquitted for murder of her 2 year old is on the hide and fears to go back to Florida. When you go to Saudi Arabia no matter how modern you are the woman have to cover the hair to abide by the rules of that society. Failing to do so is like inviting trouble...
Gowri is from rural village, and she knows what the rural society is and what is acceptable and what is not. I agree ultimately it is her choice what she wants to do with her life. But I am hoping at least now she will ponder over the consequences being other woman and how it will affect her in the long run.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I honestly think that Gauri did fall in love with him during those 5 years in college. But ever since she's learnt the truth about him she is confused!

It must have been tough for her to learn that she had been attached to the wrong man all along.

I think she partly wants to make up for the rejection in the past and partly wants her decision to get attached to Jagya, be proven right! She finds it hard to accept that she was being duped by Jagya all along and this guy is not Jagat but Jagdish!!

I believe it is not just her past which nags her, she is equally ruffled by the reality of being wrong and remaining in dark about Jagya!

At times she curses herself for being so naive and believing his lies but then later, with a bit of emotional blackmailing from J she begins to feel that no matter what they were always destined to be together and she gets into the tedha hai par mera hai mode!

At this point, I really think she is obsessed with Jagya! She wants the guy she fell in love with, and also wants to lap up the opportunity to resolve the pain of breaking of her child marriage and rejection by Singh family in the past.

I don't mean to say that she is deliberately taking revenge. She is simply obsessed!

As for Anandi, though we all condemn her for taking the negativity from Jagya all those 5 years, but in reality, women (even urban and educated ones!) do continue to put up with their husbands and abusive boyfriends, thinking things would get back to normal someday and that all this ''berukhi'' is temporary!

Even Jaya Bachchan did not leave Amitabh while he was having this affair with Rekha! I personally don't agree with this approach of forgiving your husband and accepting all negative behaviour quietly...but unfortunately this is the approach which women in India tend to take most frequently even in this age!




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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: hima_123

I think Gauri really really loves Jagya...infact stupidly loves Jagya, to have jumped into marriage this way (and however loser, idiot, escapist Jagya is...I think he loves her too--a loser like him wouldn't have had the courage to face his family's wrath...he'd have run away way back from her ). and loves makes people irrational...and the fear of losing love--insecure. Yeah her past makes her more insecure. About why is she talking more about her insecurities thn jagya's love...well, anyone through a phase of insecurities wouldn't really dance on bollywood romantic songs...

And I will definitely bring Anandi into this conversation...no matter how unpleasant her reference is to people around. I mean is it a rule or something, that a topic on one character cannot have references of other characters---and for every extension of thought we should have a frsh topic exclusively based on the other character?...So starting a topic on Gauri is alright...but bringing Anandi's name there amounts to us being as insecure as Gauri is...what a funny logic--whoever gave it!!

Anandi, like Gauri loves Jagya too--and I would very blatantly call it stupid love too, just like Gauri's...why else she'd have clung to false hopes for 5 years...!! 5 years of indifference and negligence from someone's husband is too much of a painful revelation for any wife, in a normal scenario. You don't need to be rural or urban to understand the language of your partner's negligence!...She ignored the indifference quite soundly...is staying with an abusive, lying partner more loving an act than marrying a guy who lied to you? .She is a very sweet person at heart and behavior, but I think she is dumb too.

about gauri's selfishness towards Jagya's family...Yes, Gauri did not want to sacrifice Jagya for Anandi or Jagya's parents..Anandi had lived with jagya's parents like her own parents, so she feels more about Jagya's family,...why would Gauri share the same feelings of sacrifice for his family...she wanted them to accept her, they didn't want her--so she left.

so Gauri loves Jagya, Jagya loves Gauri, Anandi loves Jagya...and all the three are dumb!...I am not justifying Gauri's screaming though...I really think all of the three characters have their own strengths and drawbacks, but so far are very much in love...with their object of love. Just because love is not culturally rationalized, it becomes something else?..yeah the love might disappear in future...but till now...it certainly is...



It was me who mentioned that Anandi's name was unnecessarily dragged in the context of discussing Gauri. That's because the pro-Gauri discussion was solely based on anti-Anandi argument. When we discuss Gauri, lets discuss Gauri in terms of her own actions and attitudes, not solely in comparison to Anandi. It is fallacious to defend Gauri by saying Anandi is worse than her, she has been more stupid/blind etc. Sounds like the juvenile logic of 5 year old kids-----"Why are you cheating in the exam, Sir Sir my friend is also cheating in the exam"!!!😆 As if the first kid is excusable since the second kid is also cheating!!! So Gauri's actions cannot be justified by Anandi's inactions or vice versa.
However, your post does discuss Gauri at length on her own and I see the validity of your comparison with Anandi. This is different from just bringing in Anandi's name and criticizing her and avoiding any discussion about Gauri. 😲

Regarding whether Gauri loves Jagya or not, well that depends on how each of us view their actions from our respective POVs. So I am not debating that, though I personally feel Gauri is more obsessed about Jagya and his family than love him😳. Nevertheless, this is an extremely dysfunctional relationship triangle and nothing can be judged by normal standards. There's still more drama left before we can arrive at a conclusion about these lovers😆




Edited by woman11 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: hima_123

I am not sympathizing with anybody here--neither Gauri, not Anandi...and definitely not Jagya---I think all the three are bearing the consequence of their irrational decisions made in adulthood-a lot of that irrationality owing to blind love. I think they all are really dumb to be so miserable, when they could have chosen a better life.

For those who feel its heartless to not sympathize with a woman's plight whose husband has left her...according to me its more heartless to frame things in such a dramatic way. Abt Anandi being a rural girl...Anandi's situation is way better than many others. I know a friend close to me...whose husband left her. And she was in a worse position than Anandi, because ...she was away from her homeland financially in a crisis, and in a miserable state...and her in-laws weren't actually so benevolent to make her a successor of their property, and the husband was a bigger loser as he'd never even accept his cheating in front of his parents unlike Jagya.!!...Now she is doing 200 times better, only because she has been strongly able to come out of it.

When she looks back...more than anyone else..she blames the culture who dramatizes all this plight, if she suffered anything.These tear jerker serials...make lot of women imagine their lives to be much more miserable than it actually is--where difficult situations are only a test of mental strength, nothing else! Really what is the big deal if a woman's husband leaves her...and she is strong enough to move forward. Seriously all this TV serial melodrama and overloaded sympathy kind of sucks...because coming from such a melodramatic tear jerking and over glorifying "marriage is forever" culture makes the victims indulge in useless self pity. In life its internal strength that helps ...not social outcry of miseries!!🤢

I think Gauri is very much in love...and Jagya loves her too.And There needs to be a socially acceptable , non dramatizing way to make sure Anandi does not suffer even if she has to move on.




I completely agree with you about the melodrama of the serials. However, the question is not of amplifying the woes of a woman whose husband has left her. The issue is that of feeling for a victim-----------whatever might the circumstances be---------and sympathizing with someone going through a bad phase in life without committing any conscious mistakes.

When I feel bad for Anandi, I don't lament the loss of her beend but rather feel for the pain that she is going through for no fault of hers. I had felt equally bad for Gauri's pain when she discovered Jagya had cheated on her, or the Singh family's pain when they realised they have lost their son or Anandi's earlier pain when she was forced to quit her studies. It's the affect of pathos in the narrative, and it has nothing to do with the importance of a man in a woman's life. Rather it is an empathy that comes from seeing someone suffer for no fault of hers, because somewhere it resonates in my own mind the memory of a pain which I might have also suffered for no fault of mine either. The cause of the pain is quite insignificant in the universal feeling of sympathy.

The fact is everybody has a relative sense of value of things. Someone values money more than anything, hence loss of money can be life shattering for that person. For others, money might not hold so much importance as family, hence loss of family would amount to the worst loss for him. Someone else may value her beauty the most and might feel absolutely miserable at the prospect of aging while for others that's no issue at all. No two person will agree on what he or she values the most in life and hence it is preposterous to judge the magnitude of someone else's personal loss based on our own scale of worth of things. Marriage might not carry the most value in my life but for Anandi it does. Similarly, I will be devastated if I lose my career or financial independence, but maybe for Anandi that's no loss at all !!! So the point is NOT what one values the most and whether he/she should value it or not, the point is what effect does the loss of that thing have on someone. My sympathy for Anandi is solely based on the pain of her loss, not what causes it.
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Edited by woman11 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: woman11



I completely agree with you about the melodrama of the serials. However, the question is not of amplifying the woes of a woman whose husband has left her. The issue is that of feeling for a victim-----------whatever might the circumstances be---------and sympathizing with someone going through a bad phase in life without committing any conscious mistakes.

When I feel bad for Anandi, I don't lament the loss of her beend but rather feel for the pain that she is going through for no fault of hers. I had felt equally bad for Gauri's pain when she discovered Jagya had cheated on her, or the Singh family's pain when they realised they have lost their son or Anandi's earlier pain when she was forced to quit her studies. It's the affect of pathos in the narrative, and it has nothing to do with the importance of a man in a woman's life. Rather it is an empathy that comes from seeing someone suffer for no fault of hers, because somewhere it resonates in my own mind the memory of a pain which I might have also suffered for no fault of mine either. The cause of the pain is quite insignificant in the universal feeling of sympathy.

The fact is everybody has a relative sense of value of things. Someone values money more than anything, hence loss of money can be life shattering for that person. For others, money might not hold so much importance as family, hence loss of family would amount to the worst loss for him. Someone else may value her beauty the most and might feel absolutely miserable at the prospect of aging while for others that's no issue at all. No two person will agree on what he or she values the most in life and hence it is preposterous to judge the magnitude of someone else's personal loss based on our own scale of worth of things. Marriage might not carry the most value in my life but for Anandi it does. Similarly, I will be devastated if I lose my career or financial independence, but maybe for Anandi that's no loss at all !!! So the point is NOT what one values the most and whether he/she should value it or not, the point is what effect does the loss of that thing have on someone. My sympathy for Anandi is solely based on the pain of her loss, not what causes it.
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I completely understand your reasons for sympathizing with Anandi's plight...and its very human..and agree with you--that you view her pain in absolute sense of pain, without attaching any reasons and logics to it.

However I can only explain why I don't sympathize too much with her. I sympathize people only in perspective of the reason what they are going through...Reason being, when I put myself in her shoes, and try to understand her pain based on her priorities even then I can't relate to it... I feel if I were a rural girl...for whom marriage and husband was everything...I would be shattered when my husband would have treated me like a piece of unwanted furniture.I would cry my lungs out because the MOST important person in my life was treating me like tissue paper, while my life centered around him., I would cry perhaps ...365 days...24 X 7, of first year. Second year...maybe again I would have relentlessly stayed in depression...BUT I would done something about the husband's negligence part...AT LEAST in the third year, no matter whichever part of the world I was from. 1000 days of negligence, would have atleast made my mind work in a direction of moving my focus of affection and attention towards myself...Even if I couldn't take bold decisions of divorce coming from a rural background...atleast, atleast...I would have spoken to people around...atleast I'd think of the options I had irrespective of my rural upbringing. I would have asserted to my SO LOVING in-laws to help me move forward with education...if nothing else!!...By 4th year, I would do atleast something for myself, more than being unhappy and waiting for Divine intervention!!.By 5th year, I would definitely, definitely STOP loving, an unloving, emotionally abusive guy in 5 years...!!...

Now if even my husband would bring me a "surprise gift" of doosri aurat, after his 5 years of negligence...I would not be moved...because in such a long time I would have understood something is definitely wrong, and indulge my mind in something productive to get over him, and used whatever means I'd have (anandi did have her means...she just never used them!) !!This amount of time is pretty long for a girl to adjust her thoughts, and change atleast "SOMETHING" even about the way she has been brought up!!...Which woman would cry over the SAME guy who has abandoned her for such a long time...! How does it matter who he sleeps with after so much abandoning ...!!!...Women emotionally abandon such a man, if there is nothing else they can do...

While anandi seems to be just exactly where she was 5 years back...I just can't relate to so much naiveness, even if I had HER background. And please don't tell me rural women are all so naive...!!! I bet even rural women, would create a ruckus at the first sign of cheating.(or after being abandoned)...even though they dont have so many options of moving on, neither are they state toppers like Anandi...still they do whatever they CAN do about their situation!!...anandi did nothing, neither with her education .nor her life, nor with Jagya for SUCH a long time!!...I can't understand her character and selflessness at all. She had options to do so much for herself, unlike many other women! She wasted her options for a long time...and did nothing for herself even if she had the resources too...how come nothing gave her a clue that it was time to do something for herself...does she always need someone else to think for her?...think about the women, who are not even blessed with what Anandi had!!

These are just MY reasons to not understand/sympathize with anandi...because I see reasons of sadness in perspective of situation...I don't dislike her character at all, infact I like her...just that I can't relate to her miseries at present, because by this time she should've realized what she was into, almost gotten over, given the amount of time gap shown, given the resources she had...however when they'll show her doing something better...I will definitely relate to her and appreciate her.


Edited by hima_123 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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really who is setting the rules here , yahaan pe kaafi log gyaani aur philosophers banke baithe hain
aise karna chahiye , nahin aise karna chahiye , aise lkikhna chahiye
when topic amker itserlf is saying g love is not as strong as anandi love , isnt he or she making a comparision here
so usko kyun nahin kuch bolthe
or rules r diff for diff ppl😉
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: intruderfast

really who is setting the rules here , yahaan pe kaafi log gyaani aur philosophers banke baithe hain
aise karna chahiye , nahin aise karna chahiye , aise lkikhna chahiye
when topic amker itserlf is saying g love is not as strong as anandi love , isnt he or she making a comparision here
so usko kyun nahin kuch bolthe
or rules r diff for diff ppl😉
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The topic is DO YOU THINK GAURI REALLY LOVES JAGYA?
NOT does Gauri love Jagya more or less than Anandi?

If you are reading more into it than what's there then how is it the topic starter's problem.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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More than Gauri falling for a 'forbidden' love (yet excusable) her subsequent decision is galling. Her complete insensitivity to the ruin of a fellow woman, makes me cold to her. For all her show of perceptive mind, she turns blind eye to the devastation that the wake of her 'decision' is causing. Does she think it's the right or privilege of 'falling-in-love' to either completely ignore the unfortunate pre existing party as a spent inventory having gone past its expiry date and not much to be bothered about, or even worse, to advise/assault/humiliate that sufferer to go and find newer employments? Was it sufficient to secure Jagat's 'disinterestedness' in a veritably, dually participated relationship existing far before? Does she think Anandi had no right to object, not on ground of their 'child marriage' but not even on account of her 6to7 years of adult life invested in that set-up? Basically she is asking her to stand aside when her ship of marriage is sailing past this inconsequential small matter of a childhood burden. This blatant disregard, that too as a thinking woman, is getting her to be highly self absorbed. Add to this, she appears to be indifferent to Jagya's other damaged relations or their inner hurt (not surface blessings or its rejection). She instantly starts dwelling upon the childhood trauma. All these make one suspect her true attachment. In the context that this later love blossom was introduced to highlight the undesirability of an evil custom, the cynical indifference to sufferer defeats the purpose from the beginning.

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